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Re: Company Service Boxcar
Todd Sullivan
I looked more closely at that boxcar, and it looks to me like it is off its trucks and on the ground. The car is much lower than the loco, and if you look at the bottom of the siding between the wheels at the left edge of the photo and the pile of castings on the ground in front of the loco, it looks like there is about 3" of dark shadow. That's not consistent with a car on its trucks. What's visible through the door looks like pipes or other cylindrical objects. The boxcar might simply be a storage shed for water and rotary supplies. Todd Sullivan.
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Trix Stock Cars--was MORE ON NORTHERN PACIFIC STOCK CARS
StephenK
I also modified Trix hoppers and have a nice train of a dozen cars. I have also rebuilt the underframes on a half dozen CA-3s, and a few boxcars. I skipped the Speedwitch underbody (which I know is accurate -- http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/p105-union-pacific-welded-underframe-for-box-cars/ ) and went for the easier/cheaper but not quite accurate Accurail 40' underframe -- http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/Details/106.jpg . On the boxcar it fits with only a few swipes of a file, and the car and couplers ride at the correct height. Assuming the stock car is using the same Trix underframe as the boxcar, this would be a good choice. The Speedwitch part is correct for boxcars, but I doubt it is correct for the stock cars.
Steve Kay
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Re: Military loads.
Off topic because it is current rather than steam era. This is an almost model like drone view of a current day military rail move descending Cuesta grade into San Luis Obispo. Fascinating and also why many choose to model this area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT1lYx1sZys I spent 19 months in the 3rd Armored Division in Germany 1967-69. As a result I would not consider myself very pro-military but I will model military subjects when I feel they are of historical importance and related to my theoretical layout needs. Steam Era Content This is an Accurail 36 foot boxcar reworked to match the actual car now in the Western Railway Museum collection in Rio Vista California. It has been "restored" to D&RGW paint scheme it carried before the US Navy bought the car in 1944 to replace equipment destroyed in the July 1944 explosion that leveled the Port Chicago (California) navy docks and surrounding area.
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Re: Military loads.
Jim,
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I’ll add that within the period of this list, there were multiple military actions that saw significant mobilizations or movements of military forces that would rationalize large scale movements, beyond the three majors conflicts (WWI, WWII, Korea),
along with a nearly continuous post WWII arms race with the Soviets and Communist China, that saw regular individual movement of military vehicles, be they new, used, reconditioned, or crapped out and done. Before dismissing such moves as “unusual” I would
suggest that each modeler consider the routing possible for the individual area that they model and work with the understanding that these moves were actually pretty common in the overall scheme of things… given that, again, within the era of the list, these
things did not move long distance over highways.
Of course, I have no struggle rationalizing massive movements of military loads, given my June 1944 modeling date ;) Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Military loads.
Dave Owens
Hi James:
Are those images scannable? I'd love to see them. Thanks, Dave Owens
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Re: Military loads.
Tony Thompson
Jim Betz wrote: Have -I- seen pictures of military loads/equipment from the transition? Jim, I hope you are not forgetting that there was a Korean War. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Military loads.
Hi,
I'm going to take a different tack on this entire thread. Guys - I am probably -JUST- as pro-military as most of the people on this list ("above average"). But ... As Richard H. would have said and Tony T. has pointed out many times .... "be careful about what you do/don't put on your layout". Just because it can be justified as possible doesn't mean you should be running it regularly. I think this 'rule/guideline' applies just as much to military equipment on a transition era layout as it does to those oddball/"I just love this car" freight equipment. I'm asking "if you have to go to great lengths to justify it"? ... then it probably doesn't "fit" on your layout for even a third of the sessions on your layout. ===> Can you run them every once in a while? Of course you can. ===> Can you apply the "it's my RR" rule? Of course you can! ===> Were they seen on very many trains in the late 40's and later? No. So - IF - you care about prototypical accuracy/believability then you need to pretty carefully "curb your enthusiasm" ... or acknowledge that "it isn't exactly prototypical but I'm gonna do it any way". Have -I- seen pictures of military loads/equipment from the transition? Yes, if it is during the war, not many if it is immediately post war (except for trains directly related to the wind down), and very few if it was 1950 or later. Some obvious exceptions - if your layout has an on layout "industry" that is military related (base, military dock, etc.). Or if you are actually modelling WWII era. But you know what - if your layout is based in the "middlee 40's" .... you can still get away without having -ayny- military loads/cars and it can still be "prototypically believable". - just saying ... Jim B.
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Re: Company Service Boxcar
Early rotary snowplows were steam powered and consumed lots of water as well as coal. They operated in extreme weather conditions, which was hard on man and machine. When something broke it was often in a location impossible to access. Water lines would freeze and break, requiring replacement parts and tools. Rotaries had to carry spare parts, etc. with them hence a supply car.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Here's a photo of the D&SL's rotary plow.
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/77529/rec/2 Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- This is a link to a photo from the Denver Public Library: The company service boxcar is stenciled "Rotary & Water Service Material". "Water Service" I think I understand, but what is "Rotary"? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Company Service Boxcar
Jon Miller
On 2/4/2019 9:58 AM, Richard
Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
More interesting is what
is in the car? -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Company Service Boxcar
Richard Townsend
Here's a photo of the D&SL's rotary plow.
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http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/77529/rec/2 Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Mon, Feb 4, 2019 9:40 am Subject: [RealSTMFC] Company Service Boxcar This is a link to a photo from the Denver Public Library:
The company service boxcar is stenciled "Rotary & Water Service Material".
"Water Service" I think I understand, but what is "Rotary"?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Company Service Boxcar
Richard Townsend
Probably refers to the rotary snow plow.
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Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Mon, Feb 4, 2019 9:40 am Subject: [RealSTMFC] Company Service Boxcar This is a link to a photo from the Denver Public Library:
The company service boxcar is stenciled "Rotary & Water Service Material".
"Water Service" I think I understand, but what is "Rotary"?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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Re: Company Service Boxcar
Eric Hansmann
A rotary would be a mechanical snowplow often used on Rocky Mountain railroads in the winter to keep the tracks clear.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro
This is a link to a photo from the Denver Public Library: http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/30840/rec/5 The company service boxcar is stenciled "Rotary & Water Service Material". "Water Service" I think I understand, but what is "Rotary"? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Company Service Boxcar
naptownprr
Could rotary possibly refer to a snowplow?
Jim Hunter
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:40 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Company Service Boxcar This is a link to a photo from the Denver Public Library: http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/30840/rec/5 The company service boxcar is stenciled "Rotary & Water Service Material". "Water Service" I think I understand, but what is "Rotary"? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Company Service Boxcar
This is a link to a photo from the Denver Public Library: http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/30840/rec/5 The company service boxcar is stenciled "Rotary & Water Service Material". "Water Service" I think I understand, but what is "Rotary"? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Military loads.
Bill Welch
Ideal Buick for "Road Rage" encounters. . .
Bill Welch
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Military loads.
Andy Carlson
It has been awhile now, but I was at the Western Pacific Railroad Museum at Portola, California shortly after the 2 donated 3 axle Army flat cars arrived. The museum was excited about having a flat car which, after rails were attached, could go around the country picking up museum applications. I believe this use was accomplished once when the news came that roller bearing conversion trucks could no longer be accepted in interchange. The last I saw of these flat cars was the 3 axle Buckeye pieces in a mill gon loaded with other scrap. Portola has a record of scrapping items after donation. The loss of a rust-free Alco RS3 cemented my quitting the group. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA _._,_._,_
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Re: Military loads.
Indeed Amtrak did end up with some of these. I’d forgotten seeing them in MofW service here in Michigan on Amtrak’s’own section of track (Kalamazoo, MI to Porter, IN, 110 mph).
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Re: Military loads.
Dan,
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Getting off topic, but a quick response - Trident did an HO scale mixed media resin and photo-etch M-18 Hellcat a number of years ago. I have 2 awaiting construction and loading onto a steam era flat car. I will likely leave them “untarped” as
the fighting compartment is quite detailed. Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Military loads.
Or a museum, VFW hall, or other display, or being shipped overseas to some friendly 3rd-world army. Many obsolete military vehicles end up in such places. Some (often large groups) are then shipped back to the USA for rebuilding or modernization, then returned to their current owners. Also, commercial weapons dealers buy such for resale, and ship them wherever needed.
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As one example … I’m a crew member on a restored M-18 “Hellcat” tank destroyer. The M-18s were all built by Buick Motors (General Motors) here in Flint, MI. Ours was shipped to Europe in 1944. They ended up in Europe at the end of WWII. Most of the European countries lost all their military equipment during the war. The surplus USA equipment cost more to return to the USA than it was worth, so it was given away to friendly nations to rebuild their armies. Next, our M-18 was shipped back to the USA for rebuilding by a private contractor, then it was shipped back to Europe, and ended up in the Yugoslavian Army. Then, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia descended into civil war in 1991. Our then ancient M-18 found itself back in combat again. Then the United Nations stepped in and removed all their heavy weapons. Six of the M-18s were purchased by a weapons-dealer in Great Britain, and shipped there. Our local (Flint, MI) Sloan Museum got word of it and arranged to have General Motors purchase one for their “Buick Collection”. Buick built no cars in 1944, just Hellcats, so it’s the only "1944 Buick" there is. Anyway, in 2002 it was shipped back to the USA, to Flint, and we spent two years doing a complete restoration of it to running condition. So … it went back and forth across the Atlantic FOUR times, plus a trip to England, and at least four trips to/from several locations in the USA over a 60-year period. LOTS of history for this vehicle, and a LOT of time being moved about. Now it’s back home. I’d love to do an HO model of a few Hellcats beign shipped out of Buick on the Pere Marquette RR. We have photos of solid trains of them, two to a flat car. Sometimes they were tarped, and at least one was crated (why ?). Unfortunately, despite all the HO military vehicles produced by many manufacturers, and some 3D printed ones, nobody’s yet done a decent M-18. Future project ... Dan Mitchell ==========
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Re: Military loads.
james murrie
There are pictures of whole battalions of M-48 tanks of Wisconsin National Guard's 32nd Infantry Division being loaded for transport to Ft. Lewis WA, October 1961 on regular MILW flats; some had 2 per car, some had one. Pictures were printed in both Railway Age and MILW employee magazines. Unable to read car numbers, but they were definitely not 100 ton cars.
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