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Re: Throwback Thursday: MDC "Old Timer" Freight Cars II

Chuck Soule
 

Regarding the MDC diner in the ad, I have not done a comparison to drawings, but it appears to be very close the the Northern Pacific diner from the initial North Coast Limited in 1900.  In comparing the model to photos in Some Classic Trains,  the only difference appears to be placement of a small window in the galley area.  The other windows all appear to match the NP diner.

Chuck Soule

Re: Segmented Wood Running Boards

Jack Mullen
 

Not quite the same thing, but in the '20s and '30s, Milwaukee seems to have placed the board joints opposite each other rather than the normal staggered pattern.  The individual boards were longer than the NYC examples, so the running boards divided into 3 or 4 segments.

Jack Mullen

Re: Soo Line Wood Boxcars #100-444 / Accurail 7000 Series Kitbash #100-444

Sean Murphy
 

Dennis,
Thanks for the recommendation although Ken Soroos' email didn't come through.

Lester,
I just started following your blog and I really like your techniques for turning cheap cars into excellent models, The resin car looks great! I look forward to your post on it!

Why no major manufacturer has produced this signature car is beyond me. The resin cars are too expensive and rare and I would bet that there is a demand for them. Being a GN modeler, I am spoiled for choice when it comes to prototypical cars available. Modeling smaller midwest roads is certainly not easy.

Re: Segmented Wood Running Boards

Daniel McConnachie
 

Canadian National did this as well on quite a few of their 40' steel boxcars. 

Cheers, Daniel.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:37 PM Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

I've seen a number of wood running boards over the years, although maybe not as many as others in this group have seen. In the photo on the link below I noticed the wood running boards appear to be fabricated from short segments of boards. I can't recall seeing this before:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-elywrk-frc.jpg

Is this an anomaly?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Re: Boxcar upgrades

Ken Adams
 

For those of you with a more western modeling bent, The Accurail 1400 series with metal ends and straight center sills have some resemblance to D&RGW 36 foot boxcars. There was an article in the 2017 4Q D&RGW Prospector on modifying these to a fairly accurate model of the D&RGW 634xx series cars. I bought a Rio Grande 3 pack before I located undercorated versions for my bash into an US Navy Port Chicago ammo transfer boxcar. See my blog at https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2018/12/us-navy-box-car-from-port-chicago.html.
 
 I haven't touched this trio and they remain in my one day I will build them pile. They don't fit my current early 1950's  modeling plans though. Andrew Dahm at Westerfield has indicated some interest in doing an accurate resin kit. But I followed the advice given  to Dustin Hofimann in the movie "The Graduate" and am into plastic.

The nice thing about these cars is there are two existing prototype examples at the Western Railway Museum near Rio Vista, California. Both were ex US Navy cars. 

Re: Boxcar upgrades

Donald B. Valentine
 

A well worthwhile piece to read for NYC and Lackawanna fans in particular, not to mention us Rutland fanatics.

Thanks Eric & Dave

Re: Segmented Wood Running Boards

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Did the NYC use these segmented running boards on their USRA steel boxcars?

Bill Pardie



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A great photo for weathering roofs.

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On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:39, lrkdbn via Groups.Io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

I do know the NYC used these on at least several lots of box cars-both before and during WWII
Also the ART reefer line used them in the late 20's on at least some cars.
I have seen a MDT reefer drawing from 1916 in which the longitudinal running board was made up of short
boards like the lateral RB in your picture running crosswise of the car and held by a metal edge on each side.
(if you can visualize the lateral RB extended to 40 ft long)
Larry King

Re: Segmented Wood Running Boards

Paul Doggett
 

A great photo for weathering roofs.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:39, lrkdbn via Groups.Io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

I do know the NYC used these on at least several lots of box cars-both before and during WWII
Also the ART reefer line used them in the late 20's on at least some cars.
I have seen a MDT reefer drawing from 1916 in which the longitudinal running board was made up of short
boards like the lateral RB in your picture running crosswise of the car and held by a metal edge on each side.
(if you can visualize the lateral RB extended to 40 ft long)
Larry King

Re: Segmented Wood Running Boards

lrkdbn
 

I do know the NYC used these on at least several lots of box cars-both before and during WWII
Also the ART reefer line used them in the late 20's on at least some cars.
I have seen a MDT reefer drawing from 1916 in which the longitudinal running board was made up of short
boards like the lateral RB in your picture running crosswise of the car and held by a metal edge on each side.
(if you can visualize the lateral RB extended to 40 ft long)
Larry King

Re: Segmented Wood Running Boards

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

I've seen a number of wood running boards over the years, although maybe not as many as others in this group have seen. In the photo on the link below I noticed the wood running boards appear to be fabricated from short segments of boards. I can't recall seeing this before:
Is this an anomaly?

   Certainly not an anomaly, but far from typical.

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Re: Segmented Wood Running Boards

Bruce Smith
 

As I learned at Cocoa Beach, this is apparently a NYC standard application!

Regards

Bruce


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Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Feb 8, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

I've seen a number of wood running boards over the years, although maybe not as many as others in this group have seen. In the photo on the link below I noticed the wood running boards appear to be fabricated from short segments of boards. I can't recall seeing this before:
Is this an anomaly?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Segmented Wood Running Boards

Bob Chaparro
 

I've seen a number of wood running boards over the years, although maybe not as many as others in this group have seen. In the photo on the link below I noticed the wood running boards appear to be fabricated from short segments of boards. I can't recall seeing this before:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-elywrk-frc.jpg

Is this an anomaly?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Boxcar upgrades

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 04:10 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

Dave Parker shares detail techniques to upgrade Accurail shorties in the latest DesignBuildOp blog post. A little effort creates a few distinctive boxcars.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/02/08/upgrading-accurail-shorties/

Very nice article, Eric and Dave. Dave mentions the lack of upper corner brackets on the steel ended cars:

"One solution might be the gussets or reinforcing straps at the car corners. These should be quite different on the metal-end cars but, due to production constraints, they are not, and they follow the wood-end prototype. I thought about modifying these, but the proximity to the molded-on grabs gave me pause."

This is a perpetual problem with trying to design mix 'n match sides and ends, there is always something that goes around the corner on one version but not the others. The problem Dave mentions is on the NYC and NKP prototypes the top grab iron lands on this plate, complicating adding it to the model.

These would be a natural for someone to offer as etchings; .010 stock could yield .004" scale thickness straps with scale size rivets and nuts on the surface. In addition, the right hand plates could have a cutout for the molded on grab included in their profile. I've mentioned this before, but thus far, no takers. I'll make the offer again; if someone wants to offer these as parts, I'll sipply the drawing of that part of the tool cavity which would make designing the cutout east.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Military loads - "Roco" depressed center flat for foriegn service - photo

Carl Marsico
 

Does anyone know of any "domestic" prototypes that can be built using the Roco model as a starting point?

Re: First Shipment Of California Vegetables To Boston?

Richard Bale <Rhbale@...>
 

Don...
John Signor prepared a map showing the location of Santa Fe icing stations between the west coast and Chicago. The map appears on page 166 of John White's The Great Yellow Fleet. 
Richard Bale

In a message dated 2/7/2019 3:50:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, tony@... writes:

Don Valentine  wrote:

Thank you Tony & Mark. Given what you have both provided where were the earliest re-icing stations located and how close in proximity to one another were they given the average distance traveled by most trains, either passenger or freight, in those days?
    Sorry, that's not something I have researched for that early period. By the 1890s, Armour had created a network of icing stations, but before that, I don't know.

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Re: First Shipment Of California Vegetables To Boston?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 08:47 PM, Fred Swanson wrote:
Perhaps coming into Boston since New York is a couple mile short of cross country:)  D'Arrigo still has a large presence in the Salinas Valley. I looked up one of their companies (Andyboy) for their history and found a Wikipedia.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Arrigo_Brothers  It says nothing about being the first vegetable shipment. 
But it does say they were the first the first to ship fresh fruits and vegetables from California to the east coast YEAR ROUND, which may say more about their ability to manage their farming operation than anything it says about railroad technology. I can see how a unsophisticated writer could pick up on the "first."

Dennis Storzek

Construction project documentation

Eric Hansmann
 

There are a couple more photos documenting the Millvale Avenue bridge project on the Historic Pittsburgh site. For each of these links, after the page opens click on the image. Once the image page opens, look for four small buttons in the upper left corner of the image and click on the far right button to make it full screen. Now you can zoom in on the details.

Here's an August 1926 image looking at the other side of the valley. This image inspired the paint and weathering of my Pennsy X26. This was a Pennsylvania Lines boxcar but Lines has been painted out. I model late 1926 and have found few 1920s images of these Pennsy USRA boxcars. The GR gondola is an added bonus. 

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.261933.CP


We jump ahead to October 1927 for this view and the bridge is gone. We can see part of the Gulf Oil distribution facility to the left and a string of freight cars on the B&O tracks.

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.275224.CP


We jump once more to January 1928 and steel for the new bridge is going up. Modeling a construction project can generate an interesting mix of freight cars to the scene. We don't see any here, but there are other sites and photos that illustrate this.

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.285834.CP


Enjoy your coffee.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On February 8, 2019 at 5:39 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Thanks, Jack! That narrow valley was crammed with industry back then!

Elden Gatwood

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Behind the bridge is ??? metals Corporation?

Elden, it looks like Federated Metals Corporation, which did have a plant in the Bloomfield neighborhood, east of the bridge, now a vacant lot.

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] can you ID these cars?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Jack! That narrow valley was crammed with industry back then!

Elden Gatwood

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Behind the bridge is ??? metals Corporation?

Elden, it looks like Federated Metals Corporation, which did have a plant in the Bloomfield neighborhood, east of the bridge, now a vacant lot.

Jack Mullen

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] FW: strange freight car photo

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, guys! Good explanation.

That box car is fascinating.

Elden Gatwood

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The figures in white would be girls, two of which are doing the time-honored walk-on-the-railtops.


Ed

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Boxcar upgrades

Eric Hansmann
 

Dave Parker shares detail techniques to upgrade Accurail shorties in the latest DesignBuildOp blog post. A little effort creates a few distinctive boxcars.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/02/08/upgrading-accurail-shorties/


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN