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Re: UCR bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Mark Hemphill
 

Allen:  I've seen photos of UCR gons on UP in Wyoming, well east of Evanston.  I've not seen any photos of UCR gons on D&RGW anywhere east of Utah Railway Junction, Utah.  Could they have gone east? Sure.  But apparently not very often, because no photos yet show them.

Mark Hemphill


Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Mark Hemphill
 

That's really cool, Shay.  

Mark Hemphill


Re: Special HO built kits w/ special prices

Dave Bayless
 

Hi Andy,

Is # 1, 2, 3, 4, 7 or 8 still available? Might be interested is a few.

Thanks, Dave Bayless davebayl@...

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 2:03 PM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Special HO built kits w/ special prices

 

Hello-

I have nine cars which were partially or totally built kits from a recently deceased friend. His quality was very good. Priced to reflect the non-original unbuilt kit condition. Shipping of $4 and up will be added to the purchase prices. The original boxes are in good near-mint shape.

 

 

 

1) Intermountain 450505-06 WFE steel sided ice bunker reefer WFE 68198 Early lettering scheme "NEW 4-41" Car has had the underframe built with air hoses and brake gear. No trucks $10

2) Same, #-07; WFE 68215. Underframe as #1, attached to car body roof and details remain undone.  No trucks $10

3) Same, #-02; WFE 68036. Mostly finished, needs roof attached and last two hatches attached. Has stick-on weights and Kadee couplers installed. No trucks $10

4) Same as 3), #-03; WFE 68073. Needs roof attached, corner roof grab irons and last two hatches attached. No trucks $10

5) IMWX HOBNH096 '37 AAR New Haven box car. NH 30096 blt 9-41 w/ scriptive full spelled out name. Nearly fully  Built and new 7-47. Kadee couplers, sprung trucks, aftermarket weathered wood deck. Built, needs roof attached and one broken corner sill step replaced. Has laser cut wood floor and stick-on weights applied to the interior. Has Kadee couplers. No trucks  $10

6) Proto 2000 #21043; NYC Greenville 52' gondola. Assembled from kit. NYC 712507 Has weathered after market wood floor attached with heavy weight conceled under it.  Has spring-plankless sprung trucks $14

7) Front Range #4091; GN #13278 combo door 40' riveted box car. GN Vermilion Red w/ E.B. style of spelled slant serif "Great Northern". Sprung trucks and Kadee couplers. Weighted. $14

8) Same as 7) GN #13275.   One Kadee coupler has popped loose.  Has weathered after market wood floor installed interior between door openings. Sprung trucks $15

9) Walthers #932-2156; Assembled GN 6 panel single sheathed wood box car with wood ends. (Fooby) Sprung arch bar trucks and Kadee couplers.  $7

 

I accept checks and money orders. with a small fee I accept PayPal contact me off-list for details.<midcentury@...>

Thanks,

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA


Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

SHAY STARK
 

I have attached a picture of a UCR GS gondola that I kit bashed out of the Details Associates Composite GS gondola many years ago. I built two that I shortened the doors in the kit and used them and then I built this one which I just used a styrene floor in place of the doors. You cannot tell the difference when it is on the track and it cut a couple hour out of the construction. The decals were a combination of Champ and Walthers. I have about four of five others started along with the similar 36 foot D&RGW GS Gondola and will complete them the same way without the doors. I will also put together artwork for accurate decals. I have just been waiting to get over to the Loveland area to get a few measurements off the last remaining car that I am aware of so that I can get some of the details a little more accurate. they are really neat cars.

What many people don't realize is that Utah Railway had another batch of all steel GS gondolas that were constructed by Ralston several years prior to these cars. They had straight sides with a very different operating mechanism for the doors. My understanding is that there were not doors over the trucks and so the ends of the car would have to be hand shoveled. Once the new cars came the old cars seem to have been quickly removed from service as pictures of them are very hard to come by after the mid 20's. One car was painted white and was used to advertise clean Utah coal. There are pictures of the "ghost" gondola in coal yards in California and Washington in some of the early trade magazines.

Shay Stark

Also 


Re: Upgrading a coal gondola

Bill Welch
 

For those interested in doing this model, I believe the Accurail AAR 40-foot gon's Dreadnaught ends will work with the IM kit.

Bill Welch


Upgrading a coal gondola

Eric Hansmann
 

John Golden shares his model work on the Resin Car Works blog. He changes out a few kit details in upgrading a coal gondola to reflect a C&IM prototype.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/building-a-chicago-illinois-midland-usra-type-coal-gondola/



Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Alan,

The only UCR GS gondola "model" I've ever seen was the old Ulrich/Walthers die cast thingie, which is a pretty close match for an SP G-9 through G-12. I've got one sitting a few feet away, waiting to be stripped and painted SP. I am pretty sure that the UCR GS gondolas were of a different design.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/10/19 5:27 PM, Allen Rueter via Groups.Io wrote:
In Oct '47 a fair number GS gons were headed north on the Inside Gateway (Oregon Trunk) at Bieber

44 ATSF XMR 10800 10999
45 DRGW GS 45000 45499
46 ATSF XMR 64200 64699
49 ATSF XAR 9000 9199
49 DRGW GS 71000 71999
56 UCR GS 20000 21999
58 DRGW GS 70000 70699
60 ATSF XMR 9200 9455
98 DRGW GS 40000 42500
532 GN FM 69500 69999

has any one done a UCR GS?

-- Allen Rueter StLouis MO


On Sunday, February 10, 2019, 3:04:40 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I have attached my only shot of one of the 36 foot GS gondolas which lasted in service until 1959,
if not later! (Just over 100 were still in service in 1955, a decline from the almost 700 cars in 1950.)

The photo is from Barstow, in the 1940's.

Tim O'Connor




On 2/10/2019 11:48 AM, Corey Bonsall wrote:
Maybe it's time I step out of the shadows to explain some of what I've been doing with these 3D printed cars...

Let's start with some history, most of which I have gleaned from Jim Eager's article in the second quarter 2002 issue of The Prospector (Rio Grande Modeling & Historical Society, Volume 1, Number 2):

Overall, ten series of steel GS gondolas, built between 1908 and 1954, totaling 8,251 cars.

(All lengths are interior)

They started with 2501 of the 36 ft cars (40000-42500) in 1908-09, followed by 350 of the 40 ft cars (43000-43349) in 1912-13.  The big "offset" cars of 46 ft length (700 total in the 70000-70699 series) showed up in 1922, with 500 of the shorter offset 42 ft (45000-45499) cousins in 1926.  

I think Mark Hemphill (Thanks, Mark!) has me beat on the details of the rest of the fleet already in another thread that just showed up in my email...

Those are the cars I have designed and printed to this point, since I really wanted a fleet of D&RGW GS gondolas, but other than the brass W&R cars, and the somewhat close Red Caboose class of 42ft 46k series cars, there wasn't anything close.  As the time spent drafting up the cars is one of the larger investments I have, I started with what I wanted (cast grabs, for durability, and for large fleet expediency), and am working through adding a "blank" option for all of the cars for those who want the option to drill and form their own grab irons, and spend more time on the brakes.

The cars are all printed on a Form 2 printer, using their standard black resin (methyl-acrylic-something-something), but in response to Bill's question, it does NOT carve like styrene.  It can be sanded, or filed, but using a knife-edge makes it crack. Some of the dimensions I have to compromise, due to the limitations of the printer, but I think the overall result has easily passed my normal "Two Foot Rule" I use in my modeling.

Some of my finished cars should be visible in the album links below:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2190102484587585&type=1&l=14b0223f99

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1923391824591987&type=1&l=2cd9241278

I have not attempted resin casting, as there are a lot of overhanging details that I felt would not release from the molds, and I wasn't quite ready to jump into a second new avenue for myself.  I am doing this as a side hobby from my normal day job, so the progress can seem eternally slow.

I am grateful for the support I've received on this endeavor, and I hope to continue working through the many related possibilities in under-represented models as time allows.

Corey Bonsall
Bonsall Scale Carshops


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Truck Journal Conversions

Randy Hees
 

It would likely depend on how it was done... In general, there was a new cast part to replace the wedge, which was designed to bear on the 'sjournal box and on the bearing.  Conversions on passengers cars replaced the journal box, which rode in the pedestal with a the roller bearing and a carrier casting on top...   It is not possible to replace the journal box in a cast side frame freight truck, so the roller bearing sits inside the journal box of the cast truck...  I remember seeing a lot of cast side frame freight trucks with a roller bearing inside in the 1970's (and the journal box cover removed... )

Randy Hees


Re: UCR bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Allen Rueter
 

Mark, 
Hard to say if UCR gons went east.

- allen rueter




On Sunday, February 10, 2019, 16:37, Mark Hemphill via Groups.Io <markwmhemphill@...> wrote:

Ron, thanks a million for the good start on MoPac.  Is there a MoPac freight guide anywhere, like was done for the Rio Grande by Jim Eager?

Allen -- I'm not aware of any UCR GS gons. If there were, I'd seriously consider chucking 1965 Tennessee Pass, for 1945 Soldier Summit. Fewer trees to build, that's for sure!  Also, those car counts from October 1947 are fascinating.  

Mark Hemphill


Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Brent Greer
 

I've not heard of this series of Interstate gons, but would like to hear more.  Can you share or point me to some photos of these? 

Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 7:21:53 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas
 
> It is a very unusual 36 foot gondola in the DRGW fleet.

36 feet is an uncommon length for a GS gon (most were 40 feet and up),
but the DRGW car is very similar to the Interstate 10000-10199 series:
cut off the extensions and rework the ends for a single horizontal
pressed rib.

David Thompson




bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

David
 

It is a very unusual 36 foot gondola in the DRGW fleet.
36 feet is an uncommon length for a GS gon (most were 40 feet and up), but the DRGW car is very similar to the Interstate 10000-10199 series: cut off the extensions and rework the ends for a single horizontal pressed rib.

David Thompson


SOLD: Intermountain modified '37 AAR 10'6" undec boxcar kit

Andy Carlson
 



Thanks, all of these kits have new homes!
-Andy Carlson
'Ojai CA

Hello-
As I continue to sell off my freight car parts and kits, I now wish to find new homes for 5 new Intermountain #40899 undecorated kits of 1937 AAR 10'6" IH box cars with 5/5 early Dreadnaught ends.

Offered for $20 each, shipping to the US included. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. Contact me off-list for details.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Detail Associates composite side GS gondola kit

Andy Carlson
 

Years ago, a friend who was one of the original Details Associates founders, told me that the GS Gondolas were run in a large batch, anticipating abundant sales which failed to materialize. He lamented that the D.A. gons may never undergo a re-run.

If true, it would seem that it wouldn't matter which kit you find as to potential material quality.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Sunday, February 10, 2019, 3:06:39 PM PST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


Richard, I suggest getting 2-3 if they are offered. The styrene quality varies with these with the worst very much like the old Westerfield "potato chip" resin and getting more that one may minimize the chances you will get a bad one.

Bill Welch


Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 

Mark

There certainly was westbound coal over Donner in the steam era (ref: video) but where exactly
it originated from, well, I don't know and as a modeler, it's not that important to know. ;-)

Thanks for all that coal info, and also thanks for the info on pig iron and steel... I suspected the pig iron
loads were for Pittsburg.

Tim

On 2/10/2019 6:10 PM, Mark Hemphill via Groups.Io wrote:
Tim:  I'm not sure ANY Colorado coal went over Donner Pass until the 1970s, only Utah coal (and possibly some Wyoming coal). Colorado's North Fork Branch mines, Aspen Branch mines, and Grand Junction-area mines were very small and until the 1970s supplied local markets with a couple of exceptions. The exceptions were Utah Fuel's Somerset Mine on the North Fork, which was captive to Geneva, and MidContinent Coal & Coke's Coal Basin mine on the Aspen Branch, which began supplying met coal to Geneva and Kaiser in the 1960s. In the 1970s, two new large mines, West Elk and Converse, were opened on the North Fork to supply utility coal into midwestern markets. When the export market was desperate such as during strikes in Australia, the North Fork mines along with the major Utah mines could profitably export coal into Japan and South Korea. This moved mostly to Metropolitan Stevedore at the Port of Los Angeles, but sometimes via the Port of Richmond, and even more uncommon, the Port of Stockton. The industrial coal consumed in California came out of Utah mines; it would have been impossible for the Colorado mines to leapfrog over the Utah mines into the industrial market in California on a regular basis. Coal consumed on SP points came over Donner and over Tehachapi eastward, such as to Creal, whereas coal consumed on UP and Santa Fe points went via the LA&SL. I would hope that at least once, westward coal on a Santa Fe train passed eastward coal on an SP train between Bakersfield and Mojave. It was quite common to see coal loads passing on the D&RGW between Glenwood and Grand Junction, Colorado.

Mark Hemphill
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Mark Hemphill
 
Edited

Tim:  I'm not sure ANY Colorado coal went over Donner Pass until the 1970s, only Utah coal (and possibly some Wyoming coal). Colorado's North Fork Branch mines, Aspen Branch mines, and Grand Junction-area mines were very small until the 1960s, which is beyond the purview of this group. 

Mark Hemphill


Re: Detail Associates composite side GS gondola kit wanted

Bill Welch
 

Richard, I suggest getting 2-3 if they are offered. The styrene quality varies with these with the worst very much like the old Westerfield "potato chip" resin and getting more that one may minimize the chances you will get a bad one.

Bill Welch


Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Mark Hemphill
 

Tim O'Connor -- I don't know the time frame of your video, but if it was taken in the 1923-1960 time frame, the pig iron would most likely be from Ironton, Utah, and most likely would be en route to Pittsburg, California.  Ironton was a 600-ton per day blast furnace / byproduct coke oven plant built in 1922-1923 to supply pig iron to Columbia Steel's open-hearth furnaces at Pittsburg and Torrance, Calif. Those open-hearths supplied a plate mill, hot-rolled sheet mill, cold-rolled sheet mill, and tinplate mill at Pittsburg; I don't have the paper in front of me to list what type(s) of rolling mills were at Torrance. (Columbia Steel also purchased an existing steel mill (open-hearths, rolling mills) at Portland, Oregon, at some point.)  US Steel bought Columbia Steel in 1930 and operated it as a subsidiary. US Steel bought the Geneva Works from the Defense Plant Corporation in 1946, and operated it as the subsidiary Geneva Steel Co., until 1951, when the two Utah/California steel companies were merged as Columbia-Geneva Steel Co., a USS subsidiary. A 900-ton blast furnace purchased from a defunct mill at Joliet, Illinois, was re-erected at Ironton in 1943 by the Defense Plant Corporation, to increase the pig-iron supply at Pittsburg. The DPC sold the 900-ton blast furnace to Kaiser Steel post-war; Kaiser at the time was having difficulties getting enough iron out of its blast furnaces at Fontana to supply its open-hearths. Kaiser later resold this to USS. In 1943, Blast Furnace & Steel Plant reported that 75% of the pig iron output of Ironton was going to Pittsburg and Torrance, with the balance sold locally or in California to foundries.

Mark Hemphill


Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Mark Hemphill
 

Ron, thanks a million for the good start on MoPac.  Is there a MoPac freight guide anywhere, like was done for the Rio Grande by Jim Eager?

Allen -- I'm not aware of any UCR GS gons. If there were, I'd seriously consider chucking 1965 Tennessee Pass, for 1945 Soldier Summit. Fewer trees to build, that's for sure!  Also, those car counts from October 1947 are fascinating.  

Mark Hemphill


Re: bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Allen Rueter
 

In Oct '47 a fair number GS gons were headed north on the Inside Gateway (Oregon Trunk) at Bieber

44 ATSF XMR 10800 10999
45 DRGW GS 45000 45499
46 ATSF XMR 64200 64699
49 ATSF XAR 9000 9199
49 DRGW GS 71000 71999
56 UCR GS 20000 21999
58 DRGW GS 70000 70699
60 ATSF XMR 9200 9455
98 DRGW GS 40000 42500
532 GN FM 69500 69999

has any one done a UCR GS?

-- Allen Rueter StLouis MO


On Sunday, February 10, 2019, 3:04:40 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I have attached my only shot of one of the 36 foot GS gondolas which lasted in service until 1959,
if not later! (Just over 100 were still in service in 1955, a decline from the almost 700 cars in 1950.)

The photo is from Barstow, in the 1940's.

Tim O'Connor




On 2/10/2019 11:48 AM, Corey Bonsall wrote:
Maybe it's time I step out of the shadows to explain some of what I've been doing with these 3D printed cars...

Let's start with some history, most of which I have gleaned from Jim Eager's article in the second quarter 2002 issue of The Prospector (Rio Grande Modeling & Historical Society, Volume 1, Number 2):

Overall, ten series of steel GS gondolas, built between 1908 and 1954, totaling 8,251 cars.

(All lengths are interior)

They started with 2501 of the 36 ft cars (40000-42500) in 1908-09, followed by 350 of the 40 ft cars (43000-43349) in 1912-13.  The big "offset" cars of 46 ft length (700 total in the 70000-70699 series) showed up in 1922, with 500 of the shorter offset 42 ft (45000-45499) cousins in 1926.  

I think Mark Hemphill (Thanks, Mark!) has me beat on the details of the rest of the fleet already in another thread that just showed up in my email...

Those are the cars I have designed and printed to this point, since I really wanted a fleet of D&RGW GS gondolas, but other than the brass W&R cars, and the somewhat close Red Caboose class of 42ft 46k series cars, there wasn't anything close.  As the time spent drafting up the cars is one of the larger investments I have, I started with what I wanted (cast grabs, for durability, and for large fleet expediency), and am working through adding a "blank" option for all of the cars for those who want the option to drill and form their own grab irons, and spend more time on the brakes.

The cars are all printed on a Form 2 printer, using their standard black resin (methyl-acrylic-something-something), but in response to Bill's question, it does NOT carve like styrene.  It can be sanded, or filed, but using a knife-edge makes it crack. Some of the dimensions I have to compromise, due to the limitations of the printer, but I think the overall result has easily passed my normal "Two Foot Rule" I use in my modeling.

Some of my finished cars should be visible in the album links below:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2190102484587585&type=1&l=14b0223f99

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1923391824591987&type=1&l=2cd9241278

I have not attempted resin casting, as there are a lot of overhanging details that I felt would not release from the molds, and I wasn't quite ready to jump into a second new avenue for myself.  I am doing this as a side hobby from my normal day job, so the progress can seem eternally slow.

I am grateful for the support I've received on this endeavor, and I hope to continue working through the many related possibilities in under-represented models as time allows.

Corey Bonsall
Bonsall Scale Carshops


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Detail Associates composite side GS gondola kit wanted

Richard Townsend
 

I am looking for a Detail Associates composite side GS gondola kit. If you have one you want to sell, please contact me OFF-LIST at richtownsend@....


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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