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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of gary laakso
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

What is the very unusual load in the gondola in the picture? Think rolled steel?



Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car




Bill as far as I know, the cars had rectangular panel roofs. This one does.

Tim




On 2/12/2019 9:10 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:



I posted this question a short time back an it is p mb e of the very few times that I did not receive a response. I am doing a Sunshine kit of a Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car. It has been in my pipeline for a while.



This is a good thing as I assembled the body with a flat panel roof. I recently learned that the car needed a diagonal panel roof and Andy Carlson came to my rescue. I remember receiving some information earlier that the kit under frame was not correct. Can anyone direct me to some accurate information an the under frame (cross members and appliance) layout.



I hope to have better luck this time.



Bill Pardie






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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

gary laakso
 

What is the very unusual load in the gondola in the picture?  Think rolled steel?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

 


Bill as far as I know, the cars had rectangular panel roofs. This one does.

Tim


On 2/12/2019 9:10 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

 

I posted this question a short time back an it is p mb e of the very few times that I did not receive a response.  I am doing a Sunshine kit of a Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.  It has been in my pipeline for a while.

 

This is a good thing as I assembled  the body with a flat panel roof.  I recently learned that the car needed a diagonal panel roof and Andy Carlson came to my rescue.  I remember receiving some information earlier that the kit under frame was not correct.  Can anyone direct me to some accurate information an the under frame (cross members and appliance) layout.

 

I hope to have better luck this time.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC 50 ft SS Automobile Boxcars

Doug Pillow
 

Nice job Doug Pillow


Re: UCR bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Mark Hemphill
 

Thanks for the comprehensive info, Shay. Since Utah Railway ran on trackage rights on D&RGW from Utah Railway Jct. to Thistle -- the majority of the main line movement for most of their tonnage between Martin and Provo -- it's most likely the gons met their fate there, and not somewhere else on Rio Grande. 

The major customers for Utah coal in the steam era were:
  • Domestic heating in Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, with smaller markets in Washington and Oregon, competing with Wyoming coal moving west, Washington coal moving east, and fuel oil from California moving north.
  • Sugar refineries in Utah, Idaho, and Washington
  • Smelters, in conjunction with fuel oil, most of them were a mix of approximately 75% fuel oil, 25% powdered coal
  • Locomotive fuel in coal-fuel territory in Utah, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Washington, and Nevada
Utah coal mined on D&RGW and Utah Railway mines was typically a high-volatile, low ash, low-sulfur, low-moisture bituminous, running around 12,000 BTU per pound. Excellent for steam, residential heating, and industrial use, but not a good coking coal at all.

Mark Hemphill


Re: Soo Line SS Box Cars 354 and 390

Michael Gross
 

Bravo, Lester, and an excellent explanation of the process.

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Memory help with Pan Pastels presentation

Nelson Moyer
 

The first PanPastel clinic I attended was by Rob Manley at the Burlington Route Historical Society Spring Meet in Streator, IL on April 10, 2010. PanPastels were fairly new for weathering back then, and I bought a number of weathering colors from Dick Blick and started experimenting. I found them to adhere better than chalk powder, so I expanded my color pallet. I gave a clinic based on Rob’s work and my own experience at the Eastern Iowa Division (NMRA) and again at the Mid-Continent Region (NMRA) convention in 2012. I think Rob may have done the first Naperville clinic, but I didn’t go because I’d already heard him in Streator. Most likely, the date would be between 2010 and 2012. The only reference to PanPastels I have in my Naperville clinic notes is from Jason Klocke’s scenery clinic, where he used PanPastels to weather scenery.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 7:37 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Memory help with Pan Pastels presentation

 

I would like to know who gave the first Pan Pastel presentation in that small overcrowded an very warm room in Naperville?
Thank You for your time and effort to refresh my memory in advance.
Lester Breuer

 


Re: Memory help with Pan Pastels presentation

Brian Carlson
 

First one I remember was Rob Manley. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 13, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I would like to know who gave the first Pan Pastel presentation in that small overcrowded an very warm room in Naperville?
Thank You for your time and effort to refresh my memory in advance.
Lester Breuer


Re: Memory help with Pan Pastels presentation

Eric Hansmann
 

Lester,

Do you recall what year that was presented? 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On February 13, 2019 at 6:36 AM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I would like to know who gave the first Pan Pastel presentation in that small overcrowded an very warm room in Naperville?
Thank You for your time and effort to refresh my memory in advance.
Lester Breuer
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Memory help with Pan Pastels presentation

Lester Breuer
 

I would like to know who gave the first Pan Pastel presentation in that small overcrowded an very warm room in Naperville?
Thank You for your time and effort to refresh my memory in advance.
Lester Breuer


Re: RI 141000 - 142000 single sheathed XM

mopacfirst
 

Steve, I eventually figured this out.  At least, going with the probabilities, I'm putting the vertical shaft brake gear on the one I'm building.

There is a nice photo of one, or a very similar car, on fire in the RI color guide.  That one convinced me.

Ron Merrick


Re: Soo Line SS Box Cars 354 and 390

gtws00
 

Lester,
Those two cars turned out very nice. Thanks for such a complete write up on how you built these
George Toman


Re: Truck Journal Conversions

Tim O'Connor
 

On 2/12/2019 9:04 PM, Rich C via Groups.Io wrote:
On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 7:35:16 PM CST, StephenK <thekays100@...> wrote:


It seems to me that many moons ago MDC made an AAR-style truck with the journal box doors removed to represent a conversion to roller bearings.   I needed a pair for a project I did (a Conrail GSC depressed center flat car).  If I remember correctly, I found a pair on True-Line trains website and got them thru them.   They aren't there now though....

Steve Kay



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

Tim O'Connor
 


Bill as far as I know, the cars had rectangular panel roofs. This one does.

Tim



On 2/12/2019 9:10 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

I posted this question a short time back an it is p mb e of the very few times that I did not receive a response.  I am doing a Sunshine kit of a Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.  It has been in my pipeline for a while.

This is a good thing as I assembled  the body with a flat panel roof.  I recently learned that the car needed a diagonal panel roof and Andy Carlson came to my rescue.  I remember receiving some information earlier that the kit under frame was not correct.  Can anyone direct me to some accurate information an the under frame (cross members and appliance) layout.

I hope to have better luck this time.

Bill Pardie



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC 50 ft SS Automobile Boxcars

Bill Welch
 

My not so secret weapon/tool for removing things is the Single Edge Razor Blade hled a very shallow angle. Because these are so wide, they do not gig into the surface.

Bill Welch


Re: Flat Black

Randy Hees
 

Does everyone realize that "Flat" black was not a color used by railroads... it is a color used by modelers...   Linseed oil paints were naturally semigloss to glossy... but weathered to flat... 

Randy Hees... 


Re: RI 141000 - 142000 single sheathed XM

Steve and Barb Hile
 

To be clear, the wheels noted by Ray are horizontal (vertical shaft.)  There is no evidence that these cars ever got vertical wheel brake gear.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via Groups.Io
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RI 141000 - 142000 single sheathed XM

Per the Rock's diagram book sheet for these cars (dated 8/8/1949), 141000-142499 had Universal brake wheels, and 142500-142999 had Ureco.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 4:52:35 PM CST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


These cars were all built with vertical shaft brakewheel, according to the Sunshine datasheet and early photos.  Were any ever converted to geared brake with vertical wheel?

Ron Merrick


Re: last hurrah for the RPI layout?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

This is second hand, and possibly not 100% accurate, but in outline, this is the story:

 

The layout was built in the basement of an RPI dorm.  RPI has been renovating dorms for some time, and it’s now time for them to do this dorm,  RPI is very aware of the significance of the Club both to the hobby and also its value as a historical representation of railroads in the Albany/Lake George/Champlain/Vermont area.  Tim’s characterization as one of the best model railroads in the world isn’t an exaggeration.  It’s easily on a part with the La Mesa club in San Diego, though that is probably larger.

 

The renovation involves a complete rehabilitation of the dorm, including the entire plumbing system, meaning that they will be ripping out all the exposed-over-the-layout plumbing.  While I personally think it would be >possible< for a contractor to erect scaffolding over the layout (with the backdrops cut down), I am sure that the extra costs for construction would be very high, and undoubtedly the layout would suffer damage.

 

RPI had promised the club that they would provide a new facility elsewhere suitable for the layout, and that they would assist the move out of the basement into that facility before the renovations were to begin.  As it turns out the timing didn’t work out, so instead, the layout is to be disassembled in sections, crated, and warehoused until such alternate location materializes.

 

Whether that can ever happen and what shape the sections will be in when uncrated . . . no one really knows.

 

I’ve had the pleasure of operating on that layout twice.  It is one of the best working layouts of that scale I’ve ever had the chance to operate.  In my experience, everything WORKED.  Locomotives, switches, power, rolling stock, everything. And it a visual treat, everything looked good and appropriate – even the paper mockups of buildings not built yet.  I’ve operated on some small layouts that have worked as well, but RPI is exceptional for the simple scale of the layout.

 

As Tim said, it’s very sad to see this layout go away.  We can only hope for it to be resuscitated at some future time.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Horton via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] last hurrah for the RPI layout?

 

What's happening to it?

 

Todd Horton

 

 

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 8:41:56 PM EST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Just an FYI -

 

This Saturday is (very likely) the last op session for the NEB&W (RPI) layout

in Troy, New York. This is one of the best model railroads in the world. So sad.

 

Tim O'Connor

 

 

 

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*Tim O'Connor*

*Sterling, Massachusetts*

 

 

 


Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


I posted this question a short time back an it is p mb e of the very few times that I did not receive a response.  I am doing a Sunshine kit of a Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.  It has been in my pipeline for a while.

This is a good thing as I assembled  the body with a flat panel roof.  I recently learned that the car needed a diagonal panel roof and Andy Carlson came to my rescue.  I remember receiving some information earlier that the kit under frame was not correct.  Can anyone direct me to some accurate information an the under frame (cross members and appliance) layout.

I hope to have better luck this time.

Bill Pardie



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Re: Truck Journal Conversions

Rich C
 

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 7:35:16 PM CST, StephenK <thekays100@...> wrote:


It seems to me that many moons ago MDC made an AAR-style truck with the journal box doors removed to represent a conversion to roller bearings.   I needed a pair for a project I did (a Conrail GSC depressed center flat car).  If I remember correctly, I found a pair on True-Line trains website and got them thru them.   They aren't there now though....

Steve Kay


Re: last hurrah for the RPI layout?

Todd Horton
 

What's happening to it?

Todd Horton


On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 8:41:56 PM EST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Just an FYI -

This Saturday is (very likely) the last op session for the NEB&W (RPI) layout
in Troy, New York. This is one of the best model railroads in the world. So sad.

Tim O'Connor



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*