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Re: Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

At least in New England, it’s called WWF, for Welded Wire Fabric.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 1:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

 

Tim:

 

Thank you very much for the information! 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

 

Gary

I think it is steel "mesh" - commonly used to reinforce cast concrete. The
material is steel wire laid out in a grid, so the pieces are very flexible
even when stacked up like that


On 2/13/2019 12:14 PM, gary laakso wrote:

What is the very unusual load in the gondola in the picture?  Think rolled steel?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

 


Bill as far as I know, the cars had rectangular panel roofs. This one does.

Tim


On 2/12/2019 9:10 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

 

I posted this question a short time back an it is p mb e of the very few times that I did not receive a response.  I am doing a Sunshine kit of a Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.  It has been in my pipeline for a while.

 

This is a good thing as I assembled  the body with a flat panel roof.  I recently learned that the car needed a diagonal panel roof and Andy Carlson came to my rescue.  I remember receiving some information earlier that the kit under frame was not correct.  Can anyone direct me to some accurate information an the under frame (cross members and appliance) layout.

 

I hope to have better luck this time.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Flat Black

Tony Thompson
 

Histories of both Lima and Baldwin mention it. So do the histories of AC&F and P-S. I have never seen it identified as primer.
Tony Thompson 


On Feb 13, 2019, at 5:07 PM, Paul Woods <paul@...> wrote:

Really?  Could you please enlighten me as to where you learned this from?  I'm not saying you are wrong, it's just that I have never heard of wash-off paint being used; in all the examples I have encountered, the gray paint used was treated like a primer, with gloss black or whatever other livery was in favour being applied over the top after the photographs were done.

Regards
Paul


---- On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 13:28:35 +1300 Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote ----



     That "photo gray" was a paint that could be washed off with water after photography was finished. Neither locomotives nor cars were EVER delivered that way.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



Re: Flat Black

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Really?  Could you please enlighten me as to where you learned this from?  I'm not saying you are wrong, it's just that I have never heard of wash-off paint being used; in all the examples I have encountered, the gray paint used was treated like a primer, with gloss black or whatever other livery was in favour being applied over the top after the photographs were done.

Regards
Paul


---- On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 13:28:35 +1300 Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote ----



     That "photo gray" was a paint that could be washed off with water after photography was finished. Neither locomotives nor cars were EVER delivered that way.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



Re: Flat Black

Tony Thompson
 

Paul Woods wrote:

John, are you sure about the flat black thing?  All the builders photos I have ever encountered for which the colour of the loco is actually described, from various different builders, have talked of being painted 'photographic gray' to make the details visible, not black.

     That "photo gray" was a paint that could be washed off with water after photography was finished. Neither locomotives nor cars were EVER delivered that way.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Truck Journal Conversions

Tim O'Connor
 


If you mean roller bearing conversion trucks, Eastern Car Works and Model Die Casting (Roundhouse) made them.


On 2/13/2019 6:00 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

All-

I think this is the first time anyone in any scale has made these common trucks….sure wish somebody would do them in N Scale as well…hint, hint, wink, wink!!!
Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 6:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Journal Conversions

 


largest image I could find -

https://www.rapidotrains.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Rapido-102061.jpg


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Truck Journal Conversions

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

I think this is the first time anyone in any scale has made these common trucks….sure wish somebody would do them in N Scale as well…hint, hint, wink, wink!!!
Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 6:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Journal Conversions

 


largest image I could find -

https://www.rapidotrains.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Rapido-102061.jpg

On 2/12/2019 9:04 PM, Rich C via Groups.Io wrote:

Steve, Rapido makes them

 

Rich Christie

 

 

HO Scale Freight Car Trucks - Rapido Trains Inc.

HO Scale Freight Car Trucks Rapido offers a variety of HO scale Freight car Trucks, all equipped with our own fr...

 

 

 

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 7:35:16 PM CST, StephenK <thekays100@...> wrote:

 

 

It seems to me that many moons ago MDC made an AAR-style truck with the journal box doors removed to represent a conversion to roller bearings.   I needed a pair for a project I did (a Conrail GSC depressed center flat car).  If I remember correctly, I found a pair on True-Line trains website and got them thru them.   They aren't there now though....

Steve Kay

 

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


FGEX Hutchins roof

Earl Tuson
 

Several years ago, fellow S scaler Pieter Roos commissioned a Hutchins roof, as used on FGEX/WFEX/BREX
reefers rebuilt in the 30’s, to be manufactured as a urethane casting. The roof design features a fastener
head located in a depression at the very end of the roof rib at the eave, as shown in the attached image,
rather unlike the fastener at mid-rib on, for example, a Hutchins Dry Lading roof. Are there any known
examples of such a roof design used on other house cars beyond the reefer companies’ cars? I obtained
some additional examples of Pieter’s castings well in excess of the number of such reefers I’d ever need to
build, and would be interested in splicing them and using them on box cars if the opportunity exists.

Earl Tuson


Re: Flat Black

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

John, are you sure about the flat black thing?  All the builders photos I have ever encountered for which the colour of the loco is actually described, from various different builders, have talked of being painted 'photographic gray' to make the details visible, not black.

Regards
Paul Woods



---- On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 07:15:01 +1300 John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote ----

Yes, the only time I’ve seen really “flat” has been on some builders’ photos of Alco steam locos. They would paint one side black and photograph that side so all the “detail” would show in the photo. After the photo shoot the loco would be returned to the paint shop to have glossy paint applied. I do have some of those builders photos.

I believe this was done by other loco builders too.

John Hagen




Re: Flat Black

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Yes, the only time I’ve seen really “flat” has been on some builders’ photos of Alco steam locos. They would paint one side black and photograph that side so all the “detail” would show in the photo. After the photo shoot the loco would be returned to the paint shop to have glossy paint applied. I do have some of those builders photos.

I believe this was done by other loco builders too.

John Hagen

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Hees
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 10:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat Black

 

Does everyone realize that "Flat" black was not a color used by railroads.. it is a color used by modelers...   Linseed oil paints were naturally semigloss to glossy... but weathered to flat... 

Randy Hees... 


Re: Truck Journal Conversions

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

I’m surprised that these weren’t more readily available before now.

Back in the late 80’s I bashed a model of the two Thrall steel bay window cabooses (613/113 & 614/114) bought by the Green Bay & Western.

These were purchased as kits and built at the Norwood shops. They used plain bearing trucks but did eventually change to converted trucks, at least on one of them. I used roller bearing trucks I converted by using plain bearing journals I cut off some trucks I had around. Then O drilled out the covers and filed the opening square. Then I had to remove a lot of material from the opening using files and dental tools to get them to fit around the roller bearing castings. I also had to do some filing around the base of the roller bearings but did not have to remove anything from any visible parts of the roller bearings.

Overall, they turned decent enough for who they were for (me). But it was a lot of work that had to be done 8 times!

Believe me if do another, something I’ve been wanting to do since I did the first, which was for a friend, I will use Rapido trucks.

John Hagen

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich C via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Journal Conversions

 

Steve, Rapido makes them

 

Rich Christie

 

 

 


HO Scale Freight Car Trucks - Rapido Trains Inc.

HO Scale Freight Car Trucks Rapido offers a variety of HO scale Freight car Trucks, all equipped with our own fr..

 

 

 

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 7:35:16 PM CST, StephenK <thekays100@...> wrote:

 

 

It seems to me that many moons ago MDC made an AAR-style truck with the journal box doors removed to represent a conversion to roller bearings.   I needed a pair for a project I did (a Conrail GSC depressed center flat car).  If I remember correctly, I found a pair on True-Line trains website and got them thru them.   They aren't there now though....

Steve Kay


Re: Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

gary laakso
 

Tim:

 

Thank you very much for the information! 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

 

Gary

I think it is steel "mesh" - commonly used to reinforce cast concrete. The
material is steel wire laid out in a grid, so the pieces are very flexible
even when stacked up like that



On 2/13/2019 12:14 PM, gary laakso wrote:

What is the very unusual load in the gondola in the picture?  Think rolled steel?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

 


Bill as far as I know, the cars had rectangular panel roofs. This one does.

Tim



On 2/12/2019 9:10 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

 

I posted this question a short time back an it is p mb e of the very few times that I did not receive a response.  I am doing a Sunshine kit of a Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.  It has been in my pipeline for a while.

 

This is a good thing as I assembled  the body with a flat panel roof.  I recently learned that the car needed a diagonal panel roof and Andy Carlson came to my rescue.  I remember receiving some information earlier that the kit under frame was not correct.  Can anyone direct me to some accurate information an the under frame (cross members and appliance) layout.

 

I hope to have better luck this time.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Memory help with Pan Pastels presentation

Bill Welch
 

Rob was definitely the first person and he continues with his PP tips on Facebook.

Bill Welch


Re: Memory help with Pan Pastels presentation

Lester Breuer
 

Rob Manley is the name I remember from Naperville.
Thank You all for your help.
Lester Breuer


Re: Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

Tim O'Connor
 

Gary

I think it is steel "mesh" - commonly used to reinforce cast concrete. The
material is steel wire laid out in a grid, so the pieces are very flexible
even when stacked up like that




On 2/13/2019 12:14 PM, gary laakso wrote:

What is the very unusual load in the gondola in the picture?  Think rolled steel?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

 


Bill as far as I know, the cars had rectangular panel roofs. This one does.

Tim


On 2/12/2019 9:10 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

 

I posted this question a short time back an it is p mb e of the very few times that I did not receive a response.  I am doing a Sunshine kit of a Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.  It has been in my pipeline for a while.

 

This is a good thing as I assembled  the body with a flat panel roof.  I recently learned that the car needed a diagonal panel roof and Andy Carlson came to my rescue.  I remember receiving some information earlier that the kit under frame was not correct.  Can anyone direct me to some accurate information an the under frame (cross members and appliance) layout.

 

I hope to have better luck this time.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

mopacfirst
 

It looks like panels of woven reinforcing wire, used for pavement.

Ron Merrick


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Link?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:14 PM
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What is the very unusual load in the gondola in the picture? Think rolled steel?



Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car




Bill as far as I know, the cars had rectangular panel roofs. This one does.

Tim




On 2/12/2019 9:10 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:



I posted this question a short time back an it is p mb e of the very few times that I did not receive a response. I am doing a Sunshine kit of a Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car. It has been in my pipeline for a while.



This is a good thing as I assembled the body with a flat panel roof. I recently learned that the car needed a diagonal panel roof and Andy Carlson came to my rescue. I remember receiving some information earlier that the kit under frame was not correct. Can anyone direct me to some accurate information an the under frame (cross members and appliance) layout.



I hope to have better luck this time.



Bill Pardie






--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

gary laakso
 

What is the very unusual load in the gondola in the picture?  Think rolled steel?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Help On An SP Auto Car

 


Bill as far as I know, the cars had rectangular panel roofs. This one does.

Tim


On 2/12/2019 9:10 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

 

I posted this question a short time back an it is p mb e of the very few times that I did not receive a response.  I am doing a Sunshine kit of a Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.  It has been in my pipeline for a while.

 

This is a good thing as I assembled  the body with a flat panel roof.  I recently learned that the car needed a diagonal panel roof and Andy Carlson came to my rescue.  I remember receiving some information earlier that the kit under frame was not correct.  Can anyone direct me to some accurate information an the under frame (cross members and appliance) layout.

 

I hope to have better luck this time.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Throwback Tuesday: MDC 50 ft SS Automobile Boxcars

Doug Pillow
 

Nice job Doug Pillow


Re: UCR bonsallscalecarshops D&RGW Gondolas

Mark Hemphill
 

Thanks for the comprehensive info, Shay. Since Utah Railway ran on trackage rights on D&RGW from Utah Railway Jct. to Thistle -- the majority of the main line movement for most of their tonnage between Martin and Provo -- it's most likely the gons met their fate there, and not somewhere else on Rio Grande. 

The major customers for Utah coal in the steam era were:
  • Domestic heating in Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, with smaller markets in Washington and Oregon, competing with Wyoming coal moving west, Washington coal moving east, and fuel oil from California moving north.
  • Sugar refineries in Utah, Idaho, and Washington
  • Smelters, in conjunction with fuel oil, most of them were a mix of approximately 75% fuel oil, 25% powdered coal
  • Locomotive fuel in coal-fuel territory in Utah, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Washington, and Nevada
Utah coal mined on D&RGW and Utah Railway mines was typically a high-volatile, low ash, low-sulfur, low-moisture bituminous, running around 12,000 BTU per pound. Excellent for steam, residential heating, and industrial use, but not a good coking coal at all.

Mark Hemphill


Re: Soo Line SS Box Cars 354 and 390

Michael Gross
 

Bravo, Lester, and an excellent explanation of the process.

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

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