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Re: Flat car vertical brake wheel staff supports.

Peter Ness
 

Bill,

 

Thanks very much for pointing out the sprue for flat cars – I’ve used the AB set so often I haven’t taken the time to see what else is there. Lesson learned!

 

Peter Ness


Re: FGEX Hutchins roof

Bill Welch
 

Depending on the lighting the nut and end of the bolt can be seen in some photos under the roof eave. I have an one of Chooch's Ultra Scale's FGE reefer kits that if I ever get it built I will try to model this detail

Bill welch


Re: FGEX Hutchins roof

Dennis Storzek
 

I've seen the drawing of which Bill speaks. The real unique aspect is the placement of the bolts at the extreme outward ends of the seam caps. The purpose of this is so the bolts pass through the fascia of the car, making the nuts accessible from outside the car. This means that damaged roof panels can be replaced from outside the car; no need to disturb the lining or insulation, or load, for that matter. This is the same reason the later steel reefers typically used the overhanging 'ZU' eave construction.

Since this has little value on a common boxcar, the original pattern with the bolts part way up the roof pitch continued to be used.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Bad Ladder Day

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi,
 
I guess I should clarify that my length measurement was over the end sills.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bad Ladder Day
 
Hi Bruce,
 
Milwaukee is hardly my area of expertise, but I enlarged the photo to see whether I read any dimensional data and found nothing helpful.  The car looked a bit short to me as well.  The shot is pretty much a broadside, so after measuring the image length of a wheel (1.5”), which I presume to be 33”, measuring the image length of the car (20 7/8”), and doing the math, I found a calculated length of 38’ 2.15”.  Similarly, the height of the roof above the railhead (excluding the roof walk) worked out to 13’ 3.5”, and the height of the car from the bottom of the floor worked out to 9’ 10.25”.  The car appears to be about halfway between a 36’ reefer and a 40’ reefer.  That strikes me as unusual, don’t you think?
 
I was also able to read an “ICE CAR” designation, a 70000 capacity, and what appears to be a 7-69 reweigh date.  Whoever speculated that the car was in company service may well have been correct.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bad Ladder Day
 

Folks,

Can anyone provide some background on this reefer? Hard to miss the horizontal seam. On my browser it almost appears to be shorter than 40'

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




Re: Bad Ladder Day

mopacfirst
 

Thought I replied to this earlier, but something happened.

The low doors with double latch bars suggest an ex-meat reefer.  The prominent sidesill tabs suggest a fairly late car.  The apparent 36' length also suggests a meat reefer.  So I went looking, and the first photo I looked at is SRLX 15392, a Swift reefer on the cover of the old Classic Freight Cars vol. 3.

Just a possibility.

Ron Merrick


Re: FGEX Hutchins roof

Bill Welch
 

The Hutchins roofs I have seen on Boxcars where the roof panels are visible there is a crease pressed into the center of each panel. This crease is never evident on FGE/WFE/BRE cars where the roof is visible. My surmise is that the System only purchased the Rib Parts and fabricated their own Roof Panels in their various shops. I do have drawings that refer to the roof or rib parts as Hutchins. AFAIK this replacement roof was used on all the System's early wood cars with these exceptions: Some WFE and all BRE truss rod reefers; WFE's ACF built fishbelly reefers; some of the 1922-23 built BRE, FW&D and CS reefers that retained their Murphy roofs. No FGE/WFE/BRE cars were built new with this roof.

I agree with David as to it use by other companies.

Really good to see your name Earl.

Bill Welch


Re: Flat car vertical brake wheel staff supports.

Bill Welch
 

Tichy makes a specific sprue for Flat Cars: https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/brake-gear/p/3003/Default.aspx

Bill Welch


Re: Flat car vertical brake wheel staff supports.

Charles Happel
 

To revoke the flying licenses for small parts, I cut them inside a small plastic bag.

Chuck Happel

Make crime pay. Become a lawyer. Will Rogers

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On Fri, 2/15/19, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat car vertical brake wheel staff supports.
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Friday, February 15, 2019, 4:18 PM

[Edited Message
Follows]
Okay 

I realize I
wasn't too clear in my earlier frustrated post. 

I found my own solution on a
Tichy 3003 K Brake Gear sprue,  There is a small brace for
a vertical brake staff and the casting for the brake staff
for the end beam of the car. Using these I finally (after
loosing 2 tries on the floor as they flew from my arthritic
old hands) found a workable solution for the GSC flat
53'6 car. Note this car now needs repainting and
lettering for some railroad that hasn't been identified.
It will be used for lumber traffic between Oregon/Washington
and the SF Bay Area, 

This
is the sprue 

And this is the final result, Not quite
centered as I shook when adding and did not realize it until
the glue (Tamiya clear with green cap) dried. The staff and
brake wheel were attached with Plasti-Zap. 


Now the
next car is more challenging as I need to find the specific
brake gear for an SP F-70-6 flat car. I doubt Intermountain
has a sprue for sale as it has sold  or transferred their
SP flat car line to the SPH&TS who may have originally
funded it anyway.

Ken


Re: Flat car vertical brake wheel staff supports.

Ken Adams
 
Edited

Okay 

I realize I wasn't too clear in my earlier frustrated post. 

I found my own solution on a Tichy 3003 K Brake Gear sprue,  There is a small brace for a vertical brake staff and the casting for the brake staff for the end beam of the car. Using these I finally (after loosing 2 tries on the floor as they flew from my arthritic old hands) found a workable solution for the GSC flat 53'6 car. Note this car now needs repainting and lettering for some railroad that hasn't been identified. It will be used for lumber traffic between Oregon/Washington and the SF Bay Area, 

This is the sprue 

And this is the final result, Not quite centered as I shook when adding and did not realize it until the glue (Tamiya clear with green cap) dried. The staff and brake wheel were attached with Plasti-Zap. 


Now the next car is more challenging as I need to find the specific brake gear for an SP F-70-6 flat car. I doubt Intermountain has a sprue for sale as it has sold  or transferred their SP flat car line to the SPH&TS who may have originally funded it anyway.

Ken


Re: Photo Links From The Oregon Historical Society

Bill Keene
 

Thanks Bob,

Re the cord wood photo: Are the chalk marks on the truck bolster ends some data regarding lubrication? Or perhaps something else?

Re the tank car photo:  Nice billboard in the background advertising the Portland Rose

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Feb 15, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

These can be enlarged quite a bit. Just click on the photo.
Derailed Tank Cars:
Car With Cord Wood
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo Links From The Oregon Historical Society

Steve Wolcott
 

The gondola is loaded with slabs from a sawmill.
Steve Wolcott


Re: Bad Ladder Day

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bruce,
 
Milwaukee is hardly my area of expertise, but I enlarged the photo to see whether I read any dimensional data and found nothing helpful.  The car looked a bit short to me as well.  The shot is pretty much a broadside, so after measuring the image length of a wheel (1.5”), which I presume to be 33”, measuring the image length of the car (20 7/8”), and doing the math, I found a calculated length of 38’ 2.15”.  Similarly, the height of the roof above the railhead (excluding the roof walk) worked out to 13’ 3.5”, and the height of the car from the bottom of the floor worked out to 9’ 10.25”.  The car appears to be about halfway between a 36’ reefer and a 40’ reefer.  That strikes me as unusual, don’t you think?
 
I was also able to read an “ICE CAR” designation, a 70000 capacity, and what appears to be a 7-69 reweigh date.  Whoever speculated that the car was in company service may well have been correct.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 2:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bad Ladder Day
 

Folks,

Can anyone provide some background on this reefer? Hard to miss the horizontal seam. On my browser it almost appears to be shorter than 40'

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 12:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bad Ladder Day
 
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 09:54 AM, earlyrail wrote:
Nice view of a MILW ice reefer.
Many of these were painted as medium/light blue.
The car is marked ICE SERVICE. In spite of the fact that it does not appear to have a company service number, I believe these were used only in company service.

Earlier the MILW had some wood cars in the same service, painted the same medium blue.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo Links From The Oregon Historical Society

Todd Sullivan
 

Boy!  I'll bet that was exciting for any motorists going down that road when they derailed.

They look like 6,000 gallon UTLX Type X cars lettered for Standard Oil. 

Todd Sullivan.


Photo Links From The Oregon Historical Society

Bob Chaparro
 

These can be enlarged quite a bit. Just click on the photo.

Derailed Tank Cars:

https://digitalcollections.ohs.org/derailed-train-cars

Car With Cord Wood

https://digitalcollections.ohs.org/train-with-cord-wood

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Bad Ladder Day

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

Can anyone provide some background on this reefer? Hard to miss the horizontal seam. On my browser it almost appears to be shorter than 40'

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 12:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bad Ladder Day
 
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 09:54 AM, earlyrail wrote:
Nice view of a MILW ice reefer.
Many of these were painted as medium/light blue.
The car is marked ICE SERVICE. In spite of the fact that it does not appear to have a company service number, I believe these were used only in company service.

Earlier the MILW had some wood cars in the same service, painted the same medium blue.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Bad Ladder Day

Jack Mullen
 

Gary, that's a nice find; unusual shot of a very distinctive car.  Besides the damage to both ladders at that corner, the step under the door took a hit. I don't see any other signs of damage on the carbody. I've seen cars with a  ladder or step with similar damage that resulted from somebody trying to use it as a roping staple, but all three?  Really slow learner? ;^)

Jack Mullen


Re: Duryea UF applications

william darnaby
 

On page 302 of the 1949-1951 issue of the Car Builders Cyclopedia are plans of a B&O M-55 boxcar that clearly show the Duryea UF in detail.  It has solid cross-bearers.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

 

 

 

On 2/14/2019 9:07 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:

B&O 285471, an M-56 built 1952 (late solid?)

It would be solid type that used pressed steel cross-bearers. Also the Duryea design changed  in the 1940s to accommodate the standard AAR "Z" center sills.  They were still receiving new patents as late as the mid-1950s.

Bob Witt


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Bad Ladder Day

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 09:54 AM, earlyrail wrote:
Nice view of a MILW ice reefer.
Many of these were painted as medium/light blue.
The car is marked ICE SERVICE. In spite of the fact that it does not appear to have a company service number, I believe these were used only in company service.

Earlier the MILW had some wood cars in the same service, painted the same medium blue.

Dennis Storzek


Re: A quick update on John Greene

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Pierre,

Thanks for letting us know. I gather the prognosis is good. I'll send him a note.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Oliver
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 9:44 AM
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io ; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io ; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] A quick update on John Greene

Good morning,

I just had a phone call from a friend of John Greene of Bethlehem Car Works.
John has recently had some form of cardiac surgery. He's healing well
and fully expects to return to the fold as soon as possible.
Look for John at an RPM in a couple of months.

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Offered: IMRC 12 panel undec HO box car kits-cheap

Andy Carlson
 

Garth-
These IM kits are for 10"0" IH cars, which I believe were only found on the SP and the GN. CB&T Shops made the 10'6" IH cars, with rivets sized to emulate Folgers 2 pound coffee can lids.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, February 15, 2019, 9:51:15 AM PST, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:


Andy,

Are these 10' IH or 10' 6"?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/15/19 12:39 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Hello-
I have many new 12 panel 40' box car undec kits left over from my days into enhanced kit offerings. Since many of the parts are difficult to get, I have decided to liquidate the remaining kits. IM #41099.

These kits have a $20 list price.

I am offering these for $13 each, plus buyer to pay shipping of $4 per car to the US.

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. Contact me off-List (Please) at <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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