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More help needed

Clark Propst
 

I'm trying to deplete my plastic freight car stash. I seem to be batting 1000 on not having info on the cars I want to model. Thanks to all who've helped so far. I've started on a Tichy USRA clone w/CP decals. I went through my resources and have come up empty on finding a photo. Could someone please post or send me one?
Thank you,
Clark Propst


Re: URTX 37500-37974 Refrigerator

mopacfirst
 

So just to summarize and close this topic out, and a continuation of my last post, the 37000-37499 and 37500-37974 do appear to be identical, built about two years apart.  Some offline discussion says that the cars were all built with tabbed sidesills, and they were modified later to straight sidesill.  So the Walthers car, if upgraded with the extended draft gear that is appropriate for a true Duryea underframe, pretty much represents these two series and probably nothing else.

To me, one of the biggest drawbacks to building a bigger private owner reefer fleet is the lack of decals.  Not that hard to cobble together decals for most any reporting marks on plain black tank cars, but not so a reefer with large colorful individualized lettering.  I haven't even been able to find an appropriate lettering style to renumber the models I have from the factory applied lettering.  This, again, is a bigger problem for reefers because, unlike free runners where if the car was too rusty or vandalized to read the numbers, any local rip track could re-apply the reporting marks and number with any stencils they happened to have, these cars were normally only maintained by a specific shop who had specific lettering standards, and, in that era, were actually intent on having the cars look good.

Ron Merrick


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Final MKT war emergency boxcar details

O Fenton Wells
 

Bill never ceases to amaze 
Thanks for sharing 
Fenton 


On Feb 18, 2019, at 7:04 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Bill Welch wraps up work on an M-K-T war emergency boxcar. His details are the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/mkt-boxcar-wrap-up/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Final MKT war emergency boxcar details

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill Welch wraps up work on an M-K-T war emergency boxcar. His details are the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/mkt-boxcar-wrap-up/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Sunshine kits for sale

Richard Townsend
 

I have the following Sunshine kits for sale. $50 each plus $10 shipping for a single kit. For more than one kit I'll have to figure it out. 
Contact me OFF LIST at richtownsend@...

#15.3 Armour 42' Mather Reefer with improved dreadnaught ends
#33.4 CB&Q GS 5/7/8 gondola, white decals
#87.8 Clinton GATC Type 30 8K tank
#91.1 CRI&P XM-1 boxcar top mounted Y'town doors
"Private Stock" UP B-50-25 Express Box

Contact me OFF LIST at richtownsend@...

$50 each plus $10 shipping for a single kit.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: URTX 37500-37974 Refrigerator

Steve SANDIFER
 

Illinois RR Museum has 37190, 37241, and 37312, all 1948 products.

Monticello RR Museum has 26010 and 16012

National Transportation Museum has 37144 and 37467

I have photos of all.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URTX 37500-37974 Refrigerator

 

There is this one, of URTX 37889:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=891416

It does appear to be identical to the 37000-37499 series.  This may not be true for all cars of this series.

These cars, when new, apparently had black hardware, and the MILW tilted box with the full roadname spelled out.  Repaints got the sides painted all orange and with the later tilted box 'the MILWAUKEE road'.  This fit nicely between the top Z-bar and the horizontal seam, with some room to spare.  At some point, some cars got a bigger tilted box, which was then rotated counterclockwise so it would still fit on the flat part of the upper side, and the lettering went uphill.

The 38000 series, built later, had a 6' plug door on a similar body.

Ron Merrick

Ron Merrick


Re: URTX 37500-37974 Refrigerator

mopacfirst
 

There is this one, of URTX 37889:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=891416

It does appear to be identical to the 37000-37499 series.  This may not be true for all cars of this series.

These cars, when new, apparently had black hardware, and the MILW tilted box with the full roadname spelled out.  Repaints got the sides painted all orange and with the later tilted box 'the MILWAUKEE road'.  This fit nicely between the top Z-bar and the horizontal seam, with some room to spare.  At some point, some cars got a bigger tilted box, which was then rotated counterclockwise so it would still fit on the flat part of the upper side, and the lettering went uphill.

The 38000 series, built later, had a 6' plug door on a similar body.

Ron Merrick

Ron Merrick


I have a single RTR Intermountain undec USRA Gondola

Andy Carlson
 


Hi-

I have a new Intermountain undecorated factory assembled USRA gondola, IMRC #46697 offered for purchase.

IMRC list is $32, I am offering this car for $27, and I pay USPS 1st class mail to the US. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, I accept PayPal. If interested, I suggest contacting me off-list, please, at <midcentury@...>

This may be the only factory assembled undec freight car at Intermountain. This car is new and never has been removed from its packaging.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Flat car Horizontal brake wheel staff supports.

Bill Vaughn
 

Yes brakes in the down position are an FRA defect.  Don't ask me how I found out.


Bill Vaughn


Re: URTX 37500-37974 Refrigerator

Bill Keene
 

There is an action photo that includes the 37053(?) and 37113 along with four other very similar looking reefers show on a two page color spread on pages 14-15 of the Fall 2018 issue of Classic Trains.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Feb 17, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Thanks Steve. (Steve sent me a photo of URTX 37754)

The car appears IDENTICAL in every way to the 37000-37499 series - but the ORER
says the door height is 6" larger. Perhaps a mistake no one noticed in the ORER??

Tim O'Connor


On 2/17/2019 3:27 PM, Steve Hoxie wrote:
Tim--URTX 37754. I added this to my stash earlier this month, but I don't recall the source.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*





Re: URTX 37500-37974 Refrigerator

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Steve. (Steve sent me a photo of URTX 37754)

The car appears IDENTICAL in every way to the 37000-37499 series - but the ORER
says the door height is 6" larger. Perhaps a mistake no one noticed in the ORER??

Tim O'Connor

On 2/17/2019 3:27 PM, Steve Hoxie wrote:
Tim--URTX 37754. I added this to my stash earlier this month, but I don't recall the source.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: URTX 37000-37499

mopacfirst
 

And that's interesting, because the 7'-0" door on the 37000 series looks to me to be pretty much full height.

Model-wise, if I simply build another one of these cars, it wouldn't be out of place.  But a different series would be even better.  There's not a decal for the URT sans-serif lettering style that I can immediately find.

Ron Merrick


Re: URTX 37000-37499

Tim O'Connor
 

Garth,

??? was I not clear enough about which ones I haven't seen? :-)



On 2/17/2019 3:06 PM, Garth Groff wrote:
Tim,

Ta-da! Formerly at the museum in Noblesville, Indiana. I don't know where the car is now, as the museum was removed from the property several years ago.

There is a color photo on page 28 of John Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS, V.3

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/17/19 1:54 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Ron

URTX 37000-37499 and 37500-37974 are identical EXCEPT for the door height - 7'0" vs 7'6".

No difference in inside height.

I have 10 images of the MILW 37000-37499 reefers on my hard drive, but have NEVER seen a picture
of any of the 37500-37974 series.

Tim O'Connor





This large series of cars, built by GATC for Union Refrigerator Transit, was as far as I know leased to MILW in its entirety. It's interesting for the horizontal seam carside construction, and the Duryea underframe combined with diagonal panel roof.  Other series of URTX cars with 33'-2" inside length show as 43'-5" outside length.  Is it fair to say that all these cars also had Duryea underframe?

The Jan. 55 ORER shows URTX 37000-37499, with a total of 450 cars.  These are the only cars I see with these exact dimensions. The 37500-37974 are six inches higher in IH and door height.  Were they otherwise similar?  Most of the photos I see on line are of surviving cars in museums, by the way.

I presume these cars were used for potatoes, fruit and other agricultural shipments, plus perhaps beer.  Were they sent around like other reefers to wherever the crops were in their particular season?

Going through the Refrigerator Car Color Guide and similar sources, there are some photos of very similar cars that could be modified from this one.  Similar in that they have the Duryea underframe, the same ends with just one small dart, horizontal sheet sides, 4' doors that go to the top of the sides, and in some cases where the roof is visible, the diagonal panel roof.  These other cars have sidesill tabs, or in some cases, a continuous channel sidesill, that could perhaps be modified from the old Walthers car.  They seem to have the same underframe/sidesill configuration that the Swift car recently discussed had.  Some are RSM, which is interesting because I thought that meat-rail-equipped cars usually had doors that were a foot or so shy of the top of the side.  Some appear to have been built late enough that the route car boards are in the low position.

Ron Merrick




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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


URTX 3700-37499

Richard Townsend
 

There’s also one at the National Transportation Museum outside St Louis.
RichardTownsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: URTX 37000-37499

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim,

Ta-da! Formerly at the museum in Noblesville, Indiana. I don't know where the car is now, as the museum was removed from the property several years ago.

There is a color photo on page 28 of John Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS, V.3

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/17/19 1:54 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Ron

URTX 37000-37499 and 37500-37974 are identical EXCEPT for the door height - 7'0" vs 7'6".

No difference in inside height.

I have 10 images of the MILW 37000-37499 reefers on my hard drive, but have NEVER seen a picture
of any of the 37500-37974 series.

Tim O'Connor





This large series of cars, built by GATC for Union Refrigerator Transit, was as far as I know leased to MILW in its entirety. It's interesting for the horizontal seam carside construction, and the Duryea underframe combined with diagonal panel roof.  Other series of URTX cars with 33'-2" inside length show as 43'-5" outside length.  Is it fair to say that all these cars also had Duryea underframe?

The Jan. 55 ORER shows URTX 37000-37499, with a total of 450 cars.  These are the only cars I see with these exact dimensions. The 37500-37974 are six inches higher in IH and door height.  Were they otherwise similar?  Most of the photos I see on line are of surviving cars in museums, by the way.

I presume these cars were used for potatoes, fruit and other agricultural shipments, plus perhaps beer.  Were they sent around like other reefers to wherever the crops were in their particular season?

Going through the Refrigerator Car Color Guide and similar sources, there are some photos of very similar cars that could be modified from this one.  Similar in that they have the Duryea underframe, the same ends with just one small dart, horizontal sheet sides, 4' doors that go to the top of the sides, and in some cases where the roof is visible, the diagonal panel roof.  These other cars have sidesill tabs, or in some cases, a continuous channel sidesill, that could perhaps be modified from the old Walthers car.  They seem to have the same underframe/sidesill configuration that the Swift car recently discussed had.  Some are RSM, which is interesting because I thought that meat-rail-equipped cars usually had doors that were a foot or so shy of the top of the side.  Some appear to have been built late enough that the route car boards are in the low position.

Ron Merrick





Re: Transition era railway operations documentary cartoon

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

I've seen far worse in many movies, and not a few cartoons. And in fact, in commercial ads
of that era. It was what it was - it was very brief, and that is always a relief.

Tim O'


On 2/17/2019 12:40 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

Anyone notice the racist piece at about 5:10?

The cartoon was made in 1937 when attitudes and sensibilities were different. Still, I was shocked when I saw it.
Overall, enjoyed the cartoon.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: URTX 37000-37499

Tim O'Connor
 

Ron

URTX 37000-37499 and 37500-37974 are identical EXCEPT for the door height - 7'0" vs 7'6".

No difference in inside height.

I have 10 images of the MILW 37000-37499 reefers on my hard drive, but have NEVER seen a picture
of any of the 37500-37974 series.

Tim O'Connor

This large series of cars, built by GATC for Union Refrigerator Transit, was as far as I know leased to MILW in its entirety. It's interesting for the horizontal seam carside construction, and the Duryea underframe combined with diagonal panel roof.  Other series of URTX cars with 33'-2" inside length show as 43'-5" outside length.  Is it fair to say that all these cars also had Duryea underframe?

The Jan. 55 ORER shows URTX 37000-37499, with a total of 450 cars.  These are the only cars I see with these exact dimensions. The 37500-37974 are six inches higher in IH and door height.  Were they otherwise similar?  Most of the photos I see on line are of surviving cars in museums, by the way.

I presume these cars were used for potatoes, fruit and other agricultural shipments, plus perhaps beer.  Were they sent around like other reefers to wherever the crops were in their particular season?

Going through the Refrigerator Car Color Guide and similar sources, there are some photos of very similar cars that could be modified from this one.  Similar in that they have the Duryea underframe, the same ends with just one small dart, horizontal sheet sides, 4' doors that go to the top of the sides, and in some cases where the roof is visible, the diagonal panel roof.  These other cars have sidesill tabs, or in some cases, a continuous channel sidesill, that could perhaps be modified from the old Walthers car.  They seem to have the same underframe/sidesill configuration that the Swift car recently discussed had.  Some are RSM, which is interesting because I thought that meat-rail-equipped cars usually had doors that were a foot or so shy of the top of the side.  Some appear to have been built late enough that the route car boards are in the low position.

Ron Merrick
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Flat car Horizontal brake wheel staff supports.

mopacfirst
 

I assumed as much.  But, I'll take some brownies to have cars that at least have a brakewheel.

Ron Merrick


Re: Flat car Horizontal brake wheel staff supports.

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 10:06 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
And, to save brake shaft damage, I should probably be mounting more of the flatcar brake shafts in the down position.
We're going to need a Guy Wilber ruling on this, but I contend that having a flatcar with the brake staff retracted in a train is a defect, since the brake wheel does not have the required 4" of hand clearance around it. It is, of course, an easy defect to remedy; the car men just have to raise the brake wheel.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Flat car Horizontal brake wheel staff supports.

mopacfirst
 

I was cutting out parts from the Tichy 3013 AB brake set today and happened to notice that there are two flatcar-appropriate brake shaft supports on this sprue also.  These are parts 23 and 24, which look identical to me.  These parts may very well be suitable for stem-winder brakes on other cars also.

In that case, I have a lot of these parts since I hang on to sprues that I've cut stuff out of, if there are any other useful parts left.

And, to save brake shaft damage, I should probably be mounting more of the flatcar brake shafts in the down position.  Won't help me much on other cars, since for example my entire fleet of X29s, all two of them, are out of service due to broken brake shafts.

Ron Merrick

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