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Throwback Thursday: Central Valley Rolling Stock Kits

Benjamin Hom
 

Central Valley ad, January 1954 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom


Re: Reading Diamon Scheme lettering

Brian Carlson
 

I have a photo of a repainted Speed lettering gon in 1956.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fran Giacoma
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reading Diamon Scheme lettering

 

Tim,
According to George Losse’s presentation at the March 23-25, 2012 Prototype Modelers Meet titled “Modeling Reading Company Open Hopper Cars 1948-1956”, 
the 86000-86699 class HTv hopper cars were delivered in “speed lettering” in 1955. 
Just used his presentation to “correct” my small fleet of Reading hopper cars.
Fran Giacoma


Re: Reading Diamon Scheme lettering

Fran Giacoma
 

Tim,
According to George Losse’s presentation at the March 23-25, 2012 Prototype Modelers Meet titled “Modeling Reading Company Open Hopper Cars 1948-1956”, 
the 86000-86699 class HTv hopper cars were delivered in “speed lettering” in 1955. 
Just used his presentation to “correct” my small fleet of Reading hopper cars.
Fran Giacoma


West Side-Journal bearing sizes

Andy Carlson
 

Nice story how the F&CC parts made it to West Side Lumber Co. and also repatriated back to Colorado.

After the F&CC RR was severly damaged from a storm in the earlier 20th Century, much of their rolling stock (like 3-4 locomotives, some flat cars, cabooses and AC&F box cars) made it to the Nevada, California and Oregon, a narrow gauge RR which ran in all three of its name states. By the end of the 1920s the Southern Pacific RR purchased the NC&O RR for the planned route to Klamath Falls in the Modoc cutoff project. SP quickly standard gauged the line.

Not all equipment made it to the SP's Owens Valley narrow gauge line, as the Pacific Coast Railway, the narrow gauge road out of California's mid coast area of San Luis Obispo, purchased the cabooses, 2 4-6-0s, some flats and box cars. Before WWll, the PCRy itself failed and the West Side Lumber company purchased trucks and draft gears from the newly parted out narrow gauge freight cars. Some of the F&CC hardware thus made into new WS skeleten log cars. After the West Side and Cherry Valley failed, the Georgetown loop purchased some WSLC flats, and if someone is to look at some of the tourist cars, you can see "F&CC" initials on some hardware. Travelled a bit more than "as the crow flies"!

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, February 20, 2019, 12:03:58 PM PST, David Soderblom <drs@...> wrote:


Yes, West Side was 3-foot gauge.  They had a  few trucks that had started out on the Florence & Cripple Creek.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA








Re: Journal bearing sizes

Charles Peck
 

Yes, the trucks are 3 foot gauge.  No collar on the end of the axle and the wedge has a thrust
bearing plate on it.  And those little boxes have to be jacked up just right to get parts in
and out.  Not very forgiving.  
Chuck Peck

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:04 PM Randy Hees <randyhees@...> wrote:
Is this narrow gauge?  If so, the D&RG was using a non-MCB collarless axle (called a "Muley") on their standard freight truck.  This bearing has a face to bear on the end of the axle to control thrust.

If standard gauge, the original MCB bearing was 3 3/4 x 7...   This became the MCB A bearing when the B size  (4 1/2x8) was adopted in the mid 1880's, followed by the C (5x9) in the 1890's...

MCB bearings A are very hard to find...  B's and C's are out there... 

Randy Hees


Re: Journal bearing sizes

David Soderblom
 

Yes, West Side was 3-foot gauge. They had a few trucks that had started out on the Florence & Cripple Creek.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu, 410-338-4543


Re: Reading Diamon Scheme lettering

Tim O'Connor
 


The diamond coincided with "speed lettering" did it not? The earliest speed lettered
hopper I know about is from 1957.





The first new cars were the last 100 cars in the 109000-109399 series cars in November 1956. I had photos of these in my cocoa beach presentation. Not sure when the first repaints were done. I’ve been searching for that too. 


Brian J. Carlson 

On Feb 19, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I waht year did the Reading begin to stencil thier cars w/the Diamond scheme please



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Rail Road Progress Hopper Kits

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jerry,

You are right about the rivets. The side stakes appear to have rivet detail, but there are no rivets along the end slopes on the sides, or on the ends where the end sheet joins the slope sheet. I'm sure there are a lot of other places where rivets are missing. Yes, one can use Archer rivets.

If I needed one of these cars for a specific prototype and nobody else made them, I might buy one at a train show. As it is, pretty much all of my hopper needs have been filled.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/20/19 11:41 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:
I seem to remember they were lacking rivet detail. Easily solved now with Archer decal rivets..


Re: Journal bearing sizes

Randy Hees
 

Is this narrow gauge?  If so, the D&RG was using a non-MCB collarless axle (called a "Muley") on their standard freight truck.  This bearing has a face to bear on the end of the axle to control thrust.

If standard gauge, the original MCB bearing was 3 3/4 x 7...   This became the MCB A bearing when the B size  (4 1/2x8) was adopted in the mid 1880's, followed by the C (5x9) in the 1890's...

MCB bearings A are very hard to find...  B's and C's are out there... 

Randy Hees


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Rail Road Progress Hopper Kits

O Fenton Wells
 

They do look good Dave, thanks for sharing.
Fenton

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 12:08 PM Dave Boss <daveboss1976@...> wrote:
Hello
                I have here a couple of Rail Progress cars that I built back in the late 1980s when these cars first came out as accurate hopper car kits for the times. I did add some details to enhance the models that didn't come with the kits. I've had these at RPM meets in the past but I have over heard folks commenting that they thought they were nicely detailed Bowser kits. 

            Dave

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 9:25 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I would love to one of these built up, I remember the ads but without seeing one close up, I was always reluctant to give them a try.

Bill Welch



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Throwback Tuesday: Rail Road Progress Hopper Kits

mopacfirst
 

Wow, I don't even remember this company.  I was an active modeler then, and was actually in the country after having been on assignment.  What I do remember about that era, and a few years later, was that there was active competition between resin and brass as to which medium was going to be more successful in producing accurate freight car models.  Injection-molded plastic was still the domain of Athearn and MDC.

Of course, I was a Midwest modeler, so I might not have paid attention to coal hoppers......

Ron Merrick


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Rail Road Progress Hopper Kits

Bill Welch
 

Wow, these look good Dave.

Bill Welch


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Rail Road Progress Hopper Kits

Dave Boss
 

Hello
                I have here a couple of Rail Progress cars that I built back in the late 1980s when these cars first came out as accurate hopper car kits for the times. I did add some details to enhance the models that didn't come with the kits. I've had these at RPM meets in the past but I have over heard folks commenting that they thought they were nicely detailed Bowser kits. 

            Dave

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 9:25 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I would love to one of these built up, I remember the ads but without seeing one close up, I was always reluctant to give them a try.

Bill Welch


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Rail Road Progress Hopper Kits

jerryglow2
 

I seem to remember they were lacking rivet detail. Easily solved now with Archer decal rivets..


Books and Magazines

Allen Montgomery
 

My father, James Montgomery, 81, has been a lifelong rail nut. Why do you think my infection is so bad? He has amassed 1000's of issues of every magazine about railroading, going back to 1912 as far as I've seen. He had a website buying and selling them, but those days are over. He is currently undergoing treatment for cancer and has decided to down size into a smaller home. So, my inheritance  consists of truck load after truck load of books and magazines, most of which I don't have room for. Maybe if I took down my home layout and put in floor to ceiling book shelves, I might have a chance. But who wants to do that? My extra bedroom is already the library and I'm trying to figure out how I can put another layout around the room over the book shelves.
So, I would like to judge just how much demand there is for what seems to me, to be some fairly rare stuff. At least from a west coasters perspective. I've decided to keep everything that pertains to western railroading until I can read through it and keep the best stuff. The rest is up for grabs.
Any of you easterners have a desire for a series on logging railroads of Pennsylvania and Maryland?


I have books 1, 5-9 on Pennsylvania and two copies of 'Tall Pines and Winding Rivers', about Maryland. All are in great condition. There's a ton of photos in them of turn of the century freight cars, so Mike, don't be too mad at me. Here's one that I've never seen before in the attachment below.
If any of you have been looking for an issue from some obscure magazine and haven't found it, let me know. I might come across it in one of these truck loads.
Allen Montgomery


Re: Journal bearing sizes

David Soderblom
 

I think you’re extremely unlikely to find smaller than 3-3/4 x 7 because that’s the size bearings West Side Lumber Co. used on narrow gauge log cars and other equipment (with some 4-1/4 x 8 on the larger cars). Even the smallest standard gauge rolling stock would have needed at least 3-3/4 x 7.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu, 410-338-4543


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Rail Road Progress Hopper Kits

Bill Welch
 

I would love to one of these built up, I remember the ads but without seeing one close up, I was always reluctant to give them a try.

Bill Welch


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Rail Road Progress Hopper Kits

Gary Roe
 

Ben,

Was their kit 36L what became Eastern Car Works kit #5000?

gary roe
quincy, Illinois




On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎19‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎49‎:‎06‎ ‎PM‎ ‎CST, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Rail Road Progress ad, December 1987 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman.


Ben Hom


Throwback Tuesday: Rail Road Progress Hopper Kits

Benjamin Hom
 

Rail Road Progress ad, December 1987 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman.


Ben Hom


Re: Signaling item

Todd Sullivan
 

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