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Re: MDT 6000 Series Roof Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Tom. I’ll look into the SFRD Rr5-9 cars and see what I find. I don’t have any SFRD kits to do a direct comparison (except the new RCW kits). Maybe somebody out that built the Rr 5-9 with a steel roof would part with the wood roof?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Madden via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 4:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MDT 6000 Series Roof Question

 

I was under the impression that the Sunshine MDT/NRC wood reefers were from the same family as the Sunshine Santa Fe Rr 5-9, 11 wood reefers. The Santa Fe ones came with either a replacement panel steel roof or a "wood roof". The latter has 11 seam caps and hatch mounts.

Tom Madden


Re: MDT 6000 Series Roof Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Pierre doesn’t give the roof length but it’s probably for a 40 ft. box car. The 6000 series roof is 41 ft. 6 ¼ in. to make the two end panels long enough to accommodate the hatches (the car is 41 ft. 5 in. long; 42 ft. 9-7/8 in. long over the running boards). I don’t think the YMW Murphy flat panel roof will be long enough, besides, it lacks the flairs on the outside ends of the seam caps shown in the drawing, and the end panels are the same size as the others, leaving no room for the ice hatches. I need a better match.

Nelson Moyer

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of David via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:58 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] MDT 6000 Series Roof Question

The roof in question is the SRE Murphy Solidsteel roof of the 1920s. 11 seam caps, and ten panels (12 counting the end panels with the hatches).
Easiest starting point would be the Yarmouth "Murphy flat panel" roof:
http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/Products/4238R

David Thompson


Mailed both today: I have a single RTR Intermountain undec USRA Gondola

Andy Carlson
 

USPS Tracking # 9505 5148 6716 9052 3121 95

Thanks,
-Andy

On Monday, February 18, 2019, 9:22:20 AM PST, Dave Bayless <davebayl@...> wrote:


Hi Andy:

If this car is available, I will take it.

How much do you want me to send via PayPal?

Dave Bayless

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 4:57 PM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] I have a single RTR Intermountain undec USRA Gondola

 


Hi-

 

I have a new Intermountain undecorated factory assembled USRA gondola, IMRC #46697 offered for purchase.

 

IMRC list is $32, I am offering this car for $27, and I pay USPS 1st class mail to the US. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, I accept PayPal. If interested, I suggest contacting me off-list, please, at <midcentury@...>

 

This may be the only factory assembled undec freight car at Intermountain. This car is new and never has been removed from its packaging.

Thanks,

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 2/21/2019 3:59 PM, Bill Keene via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Bob,

I can not add much about the tank cars… others are more tank car
literate than I am… but can offer some info about the ship…

The photo must have been taken sometime in the 1930s and it appears to
be somewhere on the Mississippi River. More of a guessing game on this
data. Wonder if the contents are being loaded or unloaded from the
ship. Also what those contents might be.
The cars were carrying some kind of vegetable oil, most likely palm oil,
although coconut oil is also possible. Some of those tank cars (the ones
with the high running boards) were probably built in the first decade of
the 20th century. I would guess that they were 8,000 gallon MCB Class II
cars built around 1908 by ACF Milton. Note the early number on the
nearest one.

Spen Kellogg


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Bruce Smith
 

S.W.A.G. - Molasses is the cargo.

The cars are a range of types, mostly AC&F, with a few high walkway cars (AC&F type 7 ?)

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars
 
The attached JPEG didn't have much resolution, so here is the link to the LDL:

http://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A8480
louisianadigitallibrary.org
View of the steamship ""Max Albrecht"" docked at a wharf with railroad tank cars.



I little more detail is evident here, but it's still not easy to identify very many of the cars.  They all look to date to the late teens or early twenties, and are consistent with the PGX listings in my 1930 and 1935 ORERs.  The PGX listing is gone by 1940, and Ian Cranstones's database (http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportp.html ) suggests that the reporting mark was briefly used by GATC before being phased out altogether.

Bill's data on the boat indeed narrows the window to the 1930s (aka the decade that almost nobody models).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Dave Parker
 

The attached JPEG didn't have much resolution, so here is the link to the LDL:

http://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A8480

I little more detail is evident here, but it's still not easy to identify very many of the cars.  They all look to date to the late teens or early twenties, and are consistent with the PGX listings in my 1930 and 1935 ORERs.  The PGX listing is gone by 1940, and Ian Cranstones's database (http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportp.html ) suggests that the reporting mark was briefly used by GATC before being phased out altogether.

Bill's data on the boat indeed narrows the window to the 1930s (aka the decade that almost nobody models).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Bill Keene
 

Hi Bob,

I can not add much about the tank cars… others are more tank car literate than I am… but can offer some info about the ship…

The photo must have been taken sometime in the 1930s and it appears to be somewhere on the Mississippi River. More of a guessing game on this data. Wonder if the contents are being loaded or unloaded from the ship. Also what those contents might be. 

Can add the following about the ship…

5,824 grt tanker built by Kockums Mekaniska Verksted, Malmö, Sweden. Completed in 1929 as MAX ALBRECHT for Max Albrecht Kommanditgesellschaft, Hamburg. On 30 August 1939 she sailed from Houston, Texas and put into El Ferrol, Spain where she was interned. Surrendered in May 1945 to the British Ministry of War Transport (MoWT) and renamed EMPIRE TAGRALIA. Sold 1947 to Basra Steam Shipping Co Ltd, London and renamed REPTON. Sold in 1952 to Lloyd Siciliano di Armamento SpA, Palermo, Italy and renamed ALCANTARA. Scrapped in September 1960 at Vado Ligure, Italy.


Description:
Builder:Kockums Mekaniska Verksted, Malmö, Sweden 
Year Of build: 1929 (Yard no 158) 
Owner: Dr. Max Albrecht Kommanditgesellschaft, Hamburg, Germany (Deutsches Reich) 
Measures: BRT 5824, LOA 122,53 m, breadth 16,76 m, draught 7,93 m, 11,5 kn 
History: 
MAX ALBRECHT (1929 - 1945) 
EMPIRE TAGRALIA (1945 - 1947) 
Owner: British Government, Operator Ministry of War Transport, London, U.K. 
REPTON (1947 - 1952) 
Owner: Basra Steam Shipping Co Ltd, London, U.K. 
ALCANTARA (1952 - 1960) 
Owner: Lloyd Siciliano di Armamento SpA, Palermo, Italy 
BU 1960 Lloyd Siciliano di Armamento SpA, Palermo, Italy 

An interesting scene for a seaport based layout. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Feb 21, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars
This photo is from the Louisiana Digital Library.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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Re: Heywood Oil Syndicate Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Probably a Library caption error.


Re: Heywood Oil Syndicate Tank Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

I dunno what "Heywood" is, but I can see the Southern Pacific lettering on the cars. They look
like SP CS-25A tank cars.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/21/2019 5:38 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

This photo is from the Louisiana Digital Library.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Attachments:

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Signaling item

Tony Thompson
 

Larry Smith wrote:

Just got a message from showcase minatures.  They are in stock and are kept in stock.  Call them and they will ship asap.

   Thank you, Larry, good to know for that whole range.         Tony


Re: Books and Magazines

anthony wagner
 

A looong time ago RR Museum of Pennsylvania at Strasburg used to sell them. Haven't been there in a decade and a half. Tony Wagner

On Thursday, February 21, 2019, 4:16:15 PM CST, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io <mguill1224@...> wrote:


The books in that series by Tom Taber and by Ben Kline have been reprinted at least once but remain difficult to find.  The books by Walt Casler have not been reprinted and probably never will be reprinted.  There is also an Index volume for the series.  It is almost impossible to find.  I am lucky to have the entire series including the index.


Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

This photo is from the Louisiana Digital Library.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Heywood Oil Syndicate Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

This photo is from the Louisiana Digital Library.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: Books and Magazines

 

The books in that series by Tom Taber and by Ben Kline have been reprinted at least once but remain difficult to find.  The books by Walt Casler have not been reprinted and probably never will be reprinted.  There is also an Index volume for the series.  It is almost impossible to find.  I am lucky to have the entire series including the index.


Re: MDT 6000 Series Roof Question

Tom Madden
 

I was under the impression that the Sunshine MDT/NRC wood reefers were from the same family as the Sunshine Santa Fe Rr 5-9, 11 wood reefers. The Santa Fe ones came with either a replacement panel steel roof or a "wood roof". The latter has 11 seam caps and hatch mounts.

Tom Madden


Cutting Into a Perfectly Fine Model Part 2

Bill Welch
 

More READING Door Replacement: As I noted earlier I nicked the door frame when I was cutting the old door away so this morning I repaired it using short sections of 0.030 styrene rod, first tacked into place w/Testors and then bonded in place with my reliable "Duro" Cyanoacrylate. I let this cure for a couple of hours and then trimmed and filed until it was impossible to tell I had ever messed up. While it was curing I added .020 x .030 strip styrene to my door blank, using a High School drafting technique taught to me by my friend Pierre Oliver to sort out the correct spacing. Here I used Tamiya's Super Thin as it sets up quickly and after about 30 minutes trimmed the ends off and made the wire door handle. I think it looks pretty good when set in place. I am very pleased with how this has turned out. I will wait to secure the door permanently until I do the other side because I need it to serve as a cutting guide for the second door. There are a couple gaps—I will use slivers of 0.005 styrene to fill these and melt it with Testors.

Bill Welch


MDT 6000 Series Roof Question

David
 

The roof in question is the SRE Murphy Solidsteel roof of the 1920s. 11 seam caps, and ten panels (12 counting the end panels with the hatches). Easiest starting point would be the Yarmouth "Murphy flat panel" roof: http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/Products/4238R

David Thompson


Re: Signaling item

Larry Smith
 

Just got a message from showcase minatures.  They are in stock and are kept in stock.  Call them and they will ship asap.

Larry Smith

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019, 6:01:05 PM CST, Charles Tapper via Groups.Io <charlestapper@...> wrote:


Showcase Miniatures has pictures of that dwarf, formerly Century Foundry,  but I cannot ascertain if it is stock. 

Charlie Tapper


On Feb 19, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Signals controlled movements of freight cars, right? My need is for a Century Foundry HO dwarf signal kit. If anyone has one they can spare, name your price and I’ll pay shipping.

Tony Thompson 


On Feb 19, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I spent this morning—my 73rd Birthday—cutting into a perfectly fine model. Shortly after purchasing the Funaro & Camerlengo kit #8292 to model a Reading XAd autocar, I started looking for photos to support building the kit and found a photo at "Bob's" of RDG 18867. It interested me because the left door was a replacement 7-panel Superior door. As I built the kit a voice kept telling to build my model with that door but it was only when I was almost finished did I pull the trigger. As the first photo shows I drilled a series of holes inside the door frame and then used the drill as a router to completely cut the door free. Then I filed what was left up do the four sides of the door frame and then used the cut out area to begin getting a small slab of 0.040 sheet styrene to make a new door. Next step will be to sort out the location of the door ribs. I did mange to nick the frame in a few places with the drill bit I will repair these nicks with styrene. I have to admit I like personalizing or putting my own signature on the models I build.

Bill Welch
<New Reading Door I.JPG>
<New Reading Door II.JPG>
<New Reading Door III.JPG>


Re: Books and Magazines

Dave Boss
 

Hello Allen
                  I've been looking for some of those logging in Pa. books. I'm particularly interested in the volume or volumes on the logging operations in Warren,and Forest counties in Pa. The exact volume number escapes me but if you have one, I would be interested in it  Thank you Dave

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On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 12:45 PM Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'll send you an email tomorrow with more detail as I'm snowbound at home and doing this on my phone. 


On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:40 AM, Marty McGuirk
<mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Allen, 


If no one else has expressed any interest, I'd be interested in the series on Pennsylvania and Maryland logging railroads. 


Marty McGuirk




On February 20, 2019 at 11:19 AM "Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io" <sandbear75=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

My father, James Montgomery, 81, has been a lifelong rail nut. Why do you think my infection is so bad? He has amassed 1000's of issues of every magazine about railroading, going back to 1912 as far as I've seen. He had a website buying and selling them, but those days are over. He is currently undergoing treatment for cancer and has decided to down size into a smaller home. So, my inheritance  consists of truck load after truck load of books and magazines, most of which I don't have room for. Maybe if I took down my home layout and put in floor to ceiling book shelves, I might have a chance. But who wants to do that? My extra bedroom is already the library and I'm trying to figure out how I can put another layout around the room over the book shelves.
So, I would like to judge just how much demand there is for what seems to me, to be some fairly rare stuff. At least from a west coasters perspective. I've decided to keep everything that pertains to western railroading until I can read through it and keep the best stuff. The rest is up for grabs.
Any of you easterners have a desire for a series on logging railroads of Pennsylvania and Maryland?


I have books 1, 5-9 on Pennsylvania and two copies of 'Tall Pines and Winding Rivers', about Maryland. All are in great condition. There's a ton of photos in them of turn of the century freight cars, so Mike, don't be too mad at me. Here's one that I've never seen before in the attachment below.
If any of you have been looking for an issue from some obscure magazine and haven't found it, let me know. I might come across it in one of these truck loads.
Allen Montgomery


 


 


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Re: Books and Magazines

Allen Montgomery
 

I'll send you an email tomorrow with more detail as I'm snowbound at home and doing this on my phone. 


On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:40 AM, Marty McGuirk
<mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Allen, 


If no one else has expressed any interest, I'd be interested in the series on Pennsylvania and Maryland logging railroads. 


Marty McGuirk




On February 20, 2019 at 11:19 AM "Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io" <sandbear75@...> wrote:

My father, James Montgomery, 81, has been a lifelong rail nut. Why do you think my infection is so bad? He has amassed 1000's of issues of every magazine about railroading, going back to 1912 as far as I've seen. He had a website buying and selling them, but those days are over. He is currently undergoing treatment for cancer and has decided to down size into a smaller home. So, my inheritance  consists of truck load after truck load of books and magazines, most of which I don't have room for. Maybe if I took down my home layout and put in floor to ceiling book shelves, I might have a chance. But who wants to do that? My extra bedroom is already the library and I'm trying to figure out how I can put another layout around the room over the book shelves.
So, I would like to judge just how much demand there is for what seems to me, to be some fairly rare stuff. At least from a west coasters perspective. I've decided to keep everything that pertains to western railroading until I can read through it and keep the best stuff. The rest is up for grabs.
Any of you easterners have a desire for a series on logging railroads of Pennsylvania and Maryland?


I have books 1, 5-9 on Pennsylvania and two copies of 'Tall Pines and Winding Rivers', about Maryland. All are in great condition. There's a ton of photos in them of turn of the century freight cars, so Mike, don't be too mad at me. Here's one that I've never seen before in the attachment below.
If any of you have been looking for an issue from some obscure magazine and haven't found it, let me know. I might come across it in one of these truck loads.
Allen Montgomery


 


 

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