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Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

Bruce Smith
 

Charles,

In most cases, I believe that wooden cars were rolled to the side, off the track, before burning. This allowed the trucks, wheels, brakes etc.,, to be salvaged first and without damage from the flames and would have also spared the cross-ties.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Feb 22, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

In the late 1940's, grandfather would sometimes drive us down after dark to watch the L&N RR burning
wooden cars.  I remember there being five or six in a row but that there was at least one more row
behind.  Getting trucks and couplers out of the ashes would I guess have been straight forward.
The little stuff would get pulled out with the magnet crane.  Then bring in more cars once the
tracks were cleared.  
I have wondered what was done to protect the ties under the rails from burning.  Cover them
with something?  Flood them?  I don't know.  But it was quite a sight to see the flames at night
with sparks rising into the air. 
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 9:51 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

A collection of photos here - lots of interesting freight car bits and
pieces

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Radio.WW2/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1995435020702484

Tim O'Connor



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Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Peter Weiglin
 

Fellas, I almost hate to bringt his up, but -

In case someone is doing decal artwork or car cards, it should be noted that the name of the company is PROCTER and Gamble.
Company was founded in 1837 by William Procter and James Gamble.

Proctor is a town near Duluth, or someone who oversees exams

Peter Weiglin


Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

I lived not to far from these photos, and they did burn cars. I remember the clouds of smoke coming from near the back end of there property. I still have memories of the Green Bay Western gray wood refer cars lined up for scrapping.

Dale Florence




On Friday, February 22, 2019, 10:18:32 AM EST, tyesac@... via Groups.Io <tyesac@...> wrote:


Tim,

Nice find!   There's a lot of photos of Santa Fe Caswell gons being cut up.  It's interesting that they have had the wood striped out and are being cut up upside down. Striping the wood out first is obviously done to prevent burning.  In one of the photos the one underframe appears to have been from a Caswell stock/coke car.

Tom Casey    


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Subject: [RealSTMFC] freight cars being scrapped in 1947


A collection of photos here - lots of interesting freight car bits and
pieces


Tim O'Connor



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Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

Charles Peck
 

In the late 1940's, grandfather would sometimes drive us down after dark to watch the L&N RR burning
wooden cars.  I remember there being five or six in a row but that there was at least one more row
behind.  Getting trucks and couplers out of the ashes would I guess have been straight forward.
The little stuff would get pulled out with the magnet crane.  Then bring in more cars once the
tracks were cleared.  
I have wondered what was done to protect the ties under the rails from burning.  Cover them
with something?  Flood them?  I don't know.  But it was quite a sight to see the flames at night
with sparks rising into the air. 
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 9:51 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

A collection of photos here - lots of interesting freight car bits and
pieces

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Radio.WW2/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1995435020702484

Tim O'Connor



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Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@...>
 

Tim,

Nice find!   There's a lot of photos of Santa Fe Caswell gons being cut up.  It's interesting that they have had the wood striped out and are being cut up upside down. Striping the wood out first is obviously done to prevent burning.  In one of the photos the one underframe appears to have been from a Caswell stock/coke car.

Tom Casey    


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Feb 22, 2019 8:51 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] freight cars being scrapped in 1947


A collection of photos here - lots of interesting freight car bits and
pieces


Tim O'Connor



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Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

Paul Doggett
 

Some great photos there Tim.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

On 22 Feb 2019, at 14:51, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


A collection of photos here - lots of interesting freight car bits and pieces

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Radio.WW2/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1995435020702484

Tim O'Connor



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



freight cars being scrapped in 1947

Tim O'Connor
 

A collection of photos here - lots of interesting freight car bits and pieces

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Radio.WW2/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1995435020702484

Tim O'Connor



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: MDT 6000 Series Roof Question

tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@...>
 

Nelson,

The way the Sunshine kits were packaged, they would contain only the one roof per kit, so there would be no second roof to trade.

Tom Casey 
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Thanks, Tom. I’ll look into the SFRD Rr5-9 cars and see what I find. I don’t have any SFRD kits to do a direct comparison (except the new RCW kits). Maybe somebody out that built the Rr 5-9 with a steel roof would part with the wood roof?
 
Nelson Moyer
 
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I was under the impression that the Sunshine MDT/NRC wood reefers were from the same family as the Sunshine Santa Fe Rr 5-9, 11 wood reefers. The Santa Fe ones came with either a replacement panel steel roof or a "wood roof". The latter has 11 seam caps and hatch mounts.

Tom Madden



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Thanks, Tom. I’ll look into the SFRD Rr5-9 cars and see what I find. I don’t have any SFRD kits to do a direct comparison (except the new RCW kits). Maybe somebody out that built the Rr 5-9 with a steel roof would part with the wood roof?
 
Nelson Moyer
 
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I was under the impression that the Sunshine MDT/NRC wood reefers were from the same family as the Sunshine Santa Fe Rr 5-9, 11 wood reefers. The Santa Fe ones came with either a replacement panel steel roof or a "wood roof". The latter has 11 seam caps and hatch mounts.

Tom Madden


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Tony Thompson
 

I agree with Spen Kellogg (who should know) that the cargoes here were vegetable oil from the Caribbean, likely palm oil. Remember that Proctor & Gamble made a lot of soap.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Design of Combination 40-Ton Stock and Coal Car

Steve SANDIFER
 

Charlie is right, and this depends on the railroad and its area served. The Santa Fe switched to 40’ stock cars around 1900. Other railroads ran 36’ cars into the 1950s. It also appears that railroads which handled primarily cattle used a lot of 40’ while those that shipped a lot of hogs used more 36’. Most country stock pens only had one chute, so the 36’ or 40’ spacing did not matter. It was the larger union stock yards where chute spacing was of greater concern.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Design of Combination 40-Ton Stock and Coal Car

 

Claus and all

The length decision was likely because stock chutes were largely set up for 36 foot cars.  The same thing was in play for meat reefers IIRC.

Charlie Vlk



On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 9:54 AM -0600, "Claus Schlund \(HGM\)" <claus@...> wrote:



Hi Bob and List Members,

 

Thanks Bob for pointing us all to this interesting link.

 

The drawings show what looks like a 36 ft inside length car - I'm surprised that this short length of car was still in fashion at this 'late' date of 1923! Forty foot cars had been the norm for quite some time by then.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Design of Combination 40-Ton Stock and Coal Car

 

An article from the August 4, 1923, issue of Railway Review:

https://tinyurl.com/y6t9k3m8

Includes text, drawings and specifications.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Heywood Oil Syndicate Tank Cars

Jim Ogden
 

Jennings Oil/ Heywood Oil/ Heywood Jennings Oil owned oil leases in and around Jennings and Acadia parish and had a refining agreement with Gulf. I doubt they had any tank cars of their own and probably made most of their income from buying and selling leases.


In the 1920s there were once all sorts of tracks that came off the T&NO and Gulf Coast Lines to small facilities out in the middle of rice or sugar cane fields. The tank cars probably were parked at a Heywood Oil lease outside of Jennings so the photographer probably probably just scribbled these were Heywood Oil Syndicate cars and the negative went in the box for 70 years.

Jim Ogden
Formerly of Louisiana


Re: MDT 6000 Series Roof Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Tom. I’ll look into the SFRD Rr5-9 cars and see what I find. I don’t have any SFRD kits to do a direct comparison (except the new RCW kits). Maybe somebody out that built the Rr 5-9 with a steel roof would part with the wood roof?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 4:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MDT 6000 Series Roof Question

 

I was under the impression that the Sunshine MDT/NRC wood reefers were from the same family as the Sunshine Santa Fe Rr 5-9, 11 wood reefers. The Santa Fe ones came with either a replacement panel steel roof or a "wood roof". The latter has 11 seam caps and hatch mounts.

Tom Madden


Re: MDT 6000 Series Roof Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Pierre doesn’t give the roof length but it’s probably for a 40 ft. box car. The 6000 series roof is 41 ft. 6 ¼ in. to make the two end panels long enough to accommodate the hatches (the car is 41 ft. 5 in. long; 42 ft. 9-7/8 in. long over the running boards). I don’t think the YMW Murphy flat panel roof will be long enough, besides, it lacks the flairs on the outside ends of the seam caps shown in the drawing, and the end panels are the same size as the others, leaving no room for the ice hatches. I need a better match.

Nelson Moyer

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The roof in question is the SRE Murphy Solidsteel roof of the 1920s. 11 seam caps, and ten panels (12 counting the end panels with the hatches).
Easiest starting point would be the Yarmouth "Murphy flat panel" roof:
http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/Products/4238R

David Thompson


Mailed both today: I have a single RTR Intermountain undec USRA Gondola

Andy Carlson
 

USPS Tracking # 9505 5148 6716 9052 3121 95

Thanks,
-Andy

On Monday, February 18, 2019, 9:22:20 AM PST, Dave Bayless <davebayl@...> wrote:


Hi Andy:

If this car is available, I will take it.

How much do you want me to send via PayPal?

Dave Bayless

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 4:57 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] I have a single RTR Intermountain undec USRA Gondola

 


Hi-

 

I have a new Intermountain undecorated factory assembled USRA gondola, IMRC #46697 offered for purchase.

 

IMRC list is $32, I am offering this car for $27, and I pay USPS 1st class mail to the US. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, I accept PayPal. If interested, I suggest contacting me off-list, please, at <midcentury@...>

 

This may be the only factory assembled undec freight car at Intermountain. This car is new and never has been removed from its packaging.

Thanks,

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 2/21/2019 3:59 PM, Bill Keene via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Bob,

I can not add much about the tank cars… others are more tank car
literate than I am… but can offer some info about the ship…

The photo must have been taken sometime in the 1930s and it appears to
be somewhere on the Mississippi River. More of a guessing game on this
data. Wonder if the contents are being loaded or unloaded from the
ship. Also what those contents might be.
The cars were carrying some kind of vegetable oil, most likely palm oil,
although coconut oil is also possible. Some of those tank cars (the ones
with the high running boards) were probably built in the first decade of
the 20th century. I would guess that they were 8,000 gallon MCB Class II
cars built around 1908 by ACF Milton. Note the early number on the
nearest one.

Spen Kellogg


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Bruce Smith
 

S.W.A.G. - Molasses is the cargo.

The cars are a range of types, mostly AC&F, with a few high walkway cars (AC&F type 7 ?)

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars
 
The attached JPEG didn't have much resolution, so here is the link to the LDL:

http://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A8480
louisianadigitallibrary.org
View of the steamship ""Max Albrecht"" docked at a wharf with railroad tank cars.



I little more detail is evident here, but it's still not easy to identify very many of the cars.  They all look to date to the late teens or early twenties, and are consistent with the PGX listings in my 1930 and 1935 ORERs.  The PGX listing is gone by 1940, and Ian Cranstones's database (http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportp.html ) suggests that the reporting mark was briefly used by GATC before being phased out altogether.

Bill's data on the boat indeed narrows the window to the 1930s (aka the decade that almost nobody models).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Dave Parker
 

The attached JPEG didn't have much resolution, so here is the link to the LDL:

http://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A8480

I little more detail is evident here, but it's still not easy to identify very many of the cars.  They all look to date to the late teens or early twenties, and are consistent with the PGX listings in my 1930 and 1935 ORERs.  The PGX listing is gone by 1940, and Ian Cranstones's database (http://www.nakina.net/other/report/reportp.html ) suggests that the reporting mark was briefly used by GATC before being phased out altogether.

Bill's data on the boat indeed narrows the window to the 1930s (aka the decade that almost nobody models).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Bill Keene
 

Hi Bob,

I can not add much about the tank cars… others are more tank car literate than I am… but can offer some info about the ship…

The photo must have been taken sometime in the 1930s and it appears to be somewhere on the Mississippi River. More of a guessing game on this data. Wonder if the contents are being loaded or unloaded from the ship. Also what those contents might be. 

Can add the following about the ship…

5,824 grt tanker built by Kockums Mekaniska Verksted, Malmö, Sweden. Completed in 1929 as MAX ALBRECHT for Max Albrecht Kommanditgesellschaft, Hamburg. On 30 August 1939 she sailed from Houston, Texas and put into El Ferrol, Spain where she was interned. Surrendered in May 1945 to the British Ministry of War Transport (MoWT) and renamed EMPIRE TAGRALIA. Sold 1947 to Basra Steam Shipping Co Ltd, London and renamed REPTON. Sold in 1952 to Lloyd Siciliano di Armamento SpA, Palermo, Italy and renamed ALCANTARA. Scrapped in September 1960 at Vado Ligure, Italy.


Description:
Builder:Kockums Mekaniska Verksted, Malmö, Sweden 
Year Of build: 1929 (Yard no 158) 
Owner: Dr. Max Albrecht Kommanditgesellschaft, Hamburg, Germany (Deutsches Reich) 
Measures: BRT 5824, LOA 122,53 m, breadth 16,76 m, draught 7,93 m, 11,5 kn 
History: 
MAX ALBRECHT (1929 - 1945) 
EMPIRE TAGRALIA (1945 - 1947) 
Owner: British Government, Operator Ministry of War Transport, London, U.K. 
REPTON (1947 - 1952) 
Owner: Basra Steam Shipping Co Ltd, London, U.K. 
ALCANTARA (1952 - 1960) 
Owner: Lloyd Siciliano di Armamento SpA, Palermo, Italy 
BU 1960 Lloyd Siciliano di Armamento SpA, Palermo, Italy 

An interesting scene for a seaport based layout. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Feb 21, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars
This photo is from the Louisiana Digital Library.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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Re: Heywood Oil Syndicate Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Probably a Library caption error.


Re: Heywood Oil Syndicate Tank Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

I dunno what "Heywood" is, but I can see the Southern Pacific lettering on the cars. They look
like SP CS-25A tank cars.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/21/2019 5:38 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

This photo is from the Louisiana Digital Library.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


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