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Re: Procter & Gamble and Colgate-Palmolive

Tony Thompson
 

Don Valentine wrote:

    It;s known as global marketing, Tony. Proctor & Gamble products have been very popular in Eastern Europe, especially in Russia and Ukraine, for some twenty-five years now . . .

    Um, as we usually discuss North American freight cars, I didn't touch on sales in other parts of the world. For North America, I will stand by what I wrote.

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Re: Procter & Gamble and Colgate-Palmolive

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Palmolive originally was a product of the B.J. Johnson Company, and their primary product, a very popular soap, was given the Palmolive name for its ingredients, back in 1898. In 1928, Palmolive, already merged with Peets Brothers to form Palmolive-Peets, PUIRCHASED Colgate to form Colgate-Palmolive-Peet. The "Peet" was dropped in 1953, and today the company is still named Colgate-Palmolive.
       Certainly it's true that this is a separate topic from Procter & Gamble, who was the main competitor of Colgate-Palmolive and in fact usually outsold them in the soap business.

Tony Thompson    


    It;s known as global marketing, Tony. Proctor & Gamble products have been very popular in Eastern Europe, especially in Russia and Ukraine, for some twenty-five years now but I rarely saw any Colgate-Palmolive products in such places until the last year or two. No doubt that's one reason
P&G outsells its competitors. Same thing with jeans. Wrangler jeans are still the most popular tin such places even though they are now made in Mexico!  And model railroading is growing as a hobby
there even thoough it is dying here. There is a large club in Moscow now that meets on Tuesday 
evenings, if memory serves, and such products are more often seen in stores..Feniks HO scale tank cars with molded resin bodies and well done metal framework and such are superb. The number of injecion molded models is increasing as well. Hit "Russian models" on eBay some time and see for
yourself.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

Bill Vaughn
 

Tim I don't think so the 1947 picture shows a ladder where your picture shows grab irons.  Also I believe both Rr-19 with flat ends lasted more that 11 years from rebuilding.

Bill Vaughn

On Friday, February 22, 2019, 3:38:33 PM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



an Rr-19 perhaps?


On 2/22/2019 5:33 PM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
> Would anyone have a guess what this car was? The other cars are Pere
> Marquette USRA ds box derivatives, but this one is Santa Fe?
>
> https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.1995435020702484/1995435100702476/?type=3&theater
>
>
> David Thompson



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Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

Tim O'Connor
 

an Rr-19 perhaps?

On 2/22/2019 5:33 PM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
Would anyone have a guess what this car was? The other cars are Pere Marquette USRA ds box derivatives, but this one is Santa Fe?

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.1995435020702484/1995435100702476/?type=3&theater

David Thompson
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Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

G.J. Irwin
 

Actually, Palmolive Soap was a product of the Colgate-Palmolive Company, a key P&G rival.   One of the well-known C-P plants was walking distance from my boyhood home in Jersey City, New Jersey... served by classic street trackage south of the PRR's Exchange Place station.  I have a couple of photos of tank cars parked at the plant.

The best known soap made by P&G was Ivory.

We now return you to your regular programming, already in progress...

George Irwin


Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@...>
 

You can faintly make out the reporting marks as ATSF

Tom Casey


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Would anyone have a guess what this car was? The other cars are Pere
Marquette USRA ds box derivatives, but this one is Santa Fe?


David Thompson





Re: Procter & Gamble and Colgate-Palmolive

Aley, Jeff A
 

You guys are right – I got confused.  The Colgate-Palmolive-Peet factory in KC was only a couple of blocks away from P&G.

 

In fact, the two smokestacks at the bottom of the photo I posted are at Colgate.

 

Thanks for the correction!

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 1:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Procter & Gamble and Colgate-Palmolive

 

Andy Carlson wrote:



Though Palmolive may have been named for Palm oil and Olive oil combos, it was never a Procter and Gamble product. Back in nthe 1920s, the Palmolive corporation was founded. Later merged with the colgate company. Not associated at all with P&G.

 

       Palmolive originally was a product of the B.J. Johnson Company, and their primary product, a very popular soap, was given the Palmolive name for its ingredients, back in 1898. In 1928, Palmolive, already merged with Peets Brothers to form Palmolive-Peets, PUIRCHASED Colgate to form Colgate-Palmolive-Peet. The "Peet" was dropped in 1953, and today the company is still named Colgate-Palmolive.

       Certainly it's true that this is a separate topic from Procter & Gamble, who was the main competitor of Colgate-Palmolive and in fact usually outsold them in the soap business.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

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freight cars being scrapped in 1947

David
 

Would anyone have a guess what this car was? The other cars are Pere Marquette USRA ds box derivatives, but this one is Santa Fe?

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.1995435020702484/1995435100702476/?type=3&theater

David Thompson


Re: Procter & Gamble and Colgate-Palmolive

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

Though Palmolive may have been named for Palm oil and Olive oil combos, it was never a Procter and Gamble product. Back in nthe 1920s, the Palmolive corporation was founded. Later merged with the colgate company. Not associated at all with P&G.

       Palmolive originally was a product of the B.J. Johnson Company, and their primary product, a very popular soap, was given the Palmolive name for its ingredients, back in 1898. In 1928, Palmolive, already merged with Peets Brothers to form Palmolive-Peets, PUIRCHASED Colgate to form Colgate-Palmolive-Peet. The "Peet" was dropped in 1953, and today the company is still named Colgate-Palmolive.
       Certainly it's true that this is a separate topic from Procter & Gamble, who was the main competitor of Colgate-Palmolive and in fact usually outsold them in the soap business.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
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Procter & Gamble and Colgate-Palmolive

Andy Carlson
 

One more correction for the week----

Though Palmolive may have been named for Palm oil and Olive oil combos, it was never a Procter and Gamble product. Back in nthe 1920s, the Palmolive corporation was founded. Later merged with the colgate company. Not associated at all with P&G.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On 2/22/2019 1:15 PM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:
> Indeed, P&G made a lot of soap.  As you know, soaps can be made with many different kinds of oil - coconut, palm, etc.
> One of their products was a soap made with a mixture of PALM oil and OLIVE oil -- PALMOLIVE.

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Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

In most cases, I believe that wooden cars were rolled to the side, off the track, before burning. This allowed the trucks, wheels, brakes etc.,, to be salvaged first and without damage from the flames and would have also spared the cross-ties.

    Metallurgically, the fire would only have annealed the cast steel and iron parts, not even a bad thing in most cases.

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Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

That's a great image Jeff I wish I could find a higher resolution view... there are lots of images
online but I can't find a better one of that facility. Here's another P&G building in St Louis.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5267/5646992577_680913d9be_b.jpg

Tim O'

On 2/22/2019 1:15 PM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:
Indeed, P&G made a lot of soap. As you know, soaps can be made with many different kinds of oil - coconut, palm, etc.
One of their products was a soap made with a mixture of PALM oil and OLIVE oil -- PALMOLIVE.

Attached is an aerial photo of the P&G factory in Kansas City, KS. You can see many tank cars were present (though none are identifiable from this altitude).

Regards,

-Jeff

Armourdale04.jpg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/162355/0
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Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

At the H-M plant, you could see the crane derricks from the street. They were located where they burned the cars. No EPA then. I know they would stack cars, and assumed they knocked cars over.
The plant was located on the Illinois/Indiana boarder. Plant was all in Illinois.The burning took place near the boarder.




On Friday, February 22, 2019, 2:37:37 PM EST, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:


Yes, I agree that I would roll cars over onto their side if I had an interest in salvaging useful material, trucks and such.
Perhaps that was not the case in what I saw as I remember seeing a door fall off the car.  It made a big splash of embers
that really stood out in this boy's memory.
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:42 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Charles,

In most cases, I believe that wooden cars were rolled to the side, off the track, before burning. This allowed the trucks, wheels, brakes etc.,, to be salvaged first and without damage from the flames and would have also spared the cross-ties.

Regards

Bruce


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Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




 




Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

Charles Peck
 

Yes, I agree that I would roll cars over onto their side if I had an interest in salvaging useful material, trucks and such.
Perhaps that was not the case in what I saw as I remember seeing a door fall off the car.  It made a big splash of embers
that really stood out in this boy's memory.
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:42 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Charles,

In most cases, I believe that wooden cars were rolled to the side, off the track, before burning. This allowed the trucks, wheels, brakes etc.,, to be salvaged first and without damage from the flames and would have also spared the cross-ties.

Regards

Bruce


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Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




 




Re: George Hook built the CV kits: Central Valley Rolling Stock Kits

Bob Chaparro
 

Right, Andy. I should have remembered George's role in the company.
I asked Jack's son, Jeff, about the old kits. He has some on display at the current company location. Jeff says he has nothing on these...no plans, no tooling. So we are unlikely to see these kits again.


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

mopacfirst
 

If this photo is New Orleans, then the ship is facing upriver since the docks were mostly along the city side.  The angle of the sun reinforces that thought.

That makes it more likely that this is an unloading scene.

Ron Merrick


Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Aley, Jeff A
 

Indeed, P&G made a lot of soap. As you know, soaps can be made with many different kinds of oil - coconut, palm, etc.
One of their products was a soap made with a mixture of PALM oil and OLIVE oil -- PALMOLIVE.

Attached is an aerial photo of the P&G factory in Kansas City, KS. You can see many tank cars were present (though none are identifiable from this altitude).

Regards,

-Jeff

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

I agree with Spen Kellogg (who should know) that the cargoes here were vegetable oil from the Caribbean, likely palm oil. Remember that Proctor & Gamble made a lot of soap.

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Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

Bruce Smith
 

Charles,

In most cases, I believe that wooden cars were rolled to the side, off the track, before burning. This allowed the trucks, wheels, brakes etc.,, to be salvaged first and without damage from the flames and would have also spared the cross-ties.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Feb 22, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

In the late 1940's, grandfather would sometimes drive us down after dark to watch the L&N RR burning
wooden cars.  I remember there being five or six in a row but that there was at least one more row
behind.  Getting trucks and couplers out of the ashes would I guess have been straight forward.
The little stuff would get pulled out with the magnet crane.  Then bring in more cars once the
tracks were cleared.  
I have wondered what was done to protect the ties under the rails from burning.  Cover them
with something?  Flood them?  I don't know.  But it was quite a sight to see the flames at night
with sparks rising into the air. 
Chuck Peck

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 9:51 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

A collection of photos here - lots of interesting freight car bits and
pieces

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Radio.WW2/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1995435020702484

Tim O'Connor



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Re: Proctor & Gamble Tank Cars

Peter Weiglin
 

Fellas, I almost hate to bringt his up, but -

In case someone is doing decal artwork or car cards, it should be noted that the name of the company is PROCTER and Gamble.
Company was founded in 1837 by William Procter and James Gamble.

Proctor is a town near Duluth, or someone who oversees exams

Peter Weiglin


Re: freight cars being scrapped in 1947

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

I lived not to far from these photos, and they did burn cars. I remember the clouds of smoke coming from near the back end of there property. I still have memories of the Green Bay Western gray wood refer cars lined up for scrapping.

Dale Florence




On Friday, February 22, 2019, 10:18:32 AM EST, tyesac@... via Groups.Io <tyesac@...> wrote:


Tim,

Nice find!   There's a lot of photos of Santa Fe Caswell gons being cut up.  It's interesting that they have had the wood striped out and are being cut up upside down. Striping the wood out first is obviously done to prevent burning.  In one of the photos the one underframe appears to have been from a Caswell stock/coke car.

Tom Casey    


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A collection of photos here - lots of interesting freight car bits and
pieces


Tim O'Connor



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