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Re: to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?

Ed Hawkins
 


On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

I still need more 40' box cars, and I consider purchasing this one:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/098956/HO-Brass-Model-OMI-1338-UP-Union-Pacific-B-50-25-Express-Boxcar-24152-Unpainted-1984-Run-Ajin

Was the prototype always an express box car, or was it a conversion out of an ordinary freight car? If the latter - would it be possible to backdate it with reasonable effort? What exactly makes this an express box car? The two most obvious details I could tell are the steam line and the type of trucks - both easy to remove/ replace. Would it then be just a usual freight car (which class?)?

Many thanks and best regards
Johannes

Johannes,
The following link provides history & data on the B-50-25 box cars that began in 1939 as UP 9100-9199. RP CYC Volumes 6 and 8 also provide information & photos. In addition the UPHS has published articles in The Streamliner on UP express box cars.


This data should provide sufficient information to answer all or most of your questions. Suggest coming back with specific questions you may still have after reviewing the link. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Fw: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Bx56

charles slater
 

Scott I still have a couple of those kits on hand, contact me off list for kit numbers and price.
Charlie Slater
Patternmaker

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Subject: Re: Fw: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Bx56
 
Can you make the masters again? 😁  I am sure a lot of people would love to have that car.

Scott McDonald

Throwback Thursday: Varney

Benjamin Hom
 

Varney ad from the back cover of the February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom

to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I still need more 40' box cars, and I consider purchasing this one:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/098956/HO-Brass-Model-OMI-1338-UP-Union-Pacific-B-50-25-Express-Boxcar-24152-Unpainted-1984-Run-Ajin

Was the prototype always an express box car, or was it a conversion out of an ordinary freight car? If the latter - would it be possible to backdate it with reasonable effort? What exactly makes this an express box car? The two most obvious details I could tell are the steam line and the type of trucks - both easy to remove/ replace. Would it then be just a usual freight car (which class?)?

Many thanks and best regards

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Re: Rail Road Progress kits question

jerryglow2
 

Zoom down to 50% so you cat a whole page, do a screen shot, edit it and past it in your graphics software. I use CorelDraw so I can export all pages of an article as a PDF

Re: ATSF Bx56

Paul Doggett
 

Thank you Geogre.

Paul 


On 28 Feb 2019, at 12:34, gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00@...> wrote:

Nicely Done Paul.
Should look good all painted. Those doors make for a interesting car
George Toman

Re: ATSF Bx56

gtws00
 

Nicely Done Paul.
Should look good all painted. Those doors make for a interesting car
George Toman

Re: H30 in Service

Todd Horton
 

Wow.  I looked at your Facebook page, that is very impressive work you’ve done building those cars from metal.  Todd Horton 


On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, csxt5555 via Groups.Io <csxt5555@...> wrote:

Tim 

I did 10 of these as a kit.  I also offered the 55 ton offset hopper car.  These are currently sold out and I just sold out of the rounded end Clinchfield/C&O/NKP hoppers.  If you’re are on Facebook you can check out my Erwin Shops page.
 
Kevin



On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Kevin,

A KIT ??? Wow, that is magnificent! Who makes 1.5" scale kits?

Tim



On 2/27/2019 8:13 AM, csxt5555 via Groups.Io wrote:
Here is 1 of the 10 H30 kits I did earning its keep in sand service.

Enjoy
Kevin Sprayberry 
Erwin Shops

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Sterling, Massachusetts

Unknown Refrigerator at Steamtown

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I recently scanned up my photos from a circa 2000 visit to Steamtown. Among them is this unmarked refrigerator car. It appears to be of MDT design. Can anybody help me with a positive ID, including (hopefully) a car number? I have been unable to find any references to this car on the Steamtown site or Wikipedia. I hate untidiness in my collection.

Thank you in advance.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Re: ATSF Bx56

Paul Doggett
 

Thank you guys 😊

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 28 Feb 2019, at 02:33, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

Can you make the masters again? 😁  I am sure a lot of people would love to have that car.

Scott McDonald

Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Allan Smith
 

The Post War Freight Car Fleet book has photos of D&H Hoppers on Pages 135, but of cars 6851-11600. The notes state that C A Seley designed cars like this for the D&H in 1901.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎07‎:‎43‎:‎42‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


Try this photo. It is a dark photo but can be lightened.

Al Smith
Sonora Ca
On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎06‎:‎01‎:‎17‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hello folks,

    Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not 
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers, 
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars, 
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series? 

    These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war 
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine

Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Allan Smith
 

Try this photo. It is a dark photo but can be lightened.

Al Smith
Sonora Ca

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎06‎:‎01‎:‎17‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hello folks,

    Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not 
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers, 
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars, 
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series? 

    These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war 
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine

Re: Fw: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Bx56

Scott
 

Can you make the masters again? 😁  I am sure a lot of people would love to have that car.

Scott McDonald

D&H Seley hoppers

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hello folks,

    Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not 
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers, 
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars, 
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series? 

    These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war 
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine

Re: ATSF Bx56

gary laakso
 

Paul:

I just added the connecting pipes from a similarly situated brake cylinder on a MKT gondola and it was something new to me. I have one of these kits in line to assemble. Great job and it is a distinctive model.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Keene via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 3:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Bx56

Paul,

Thanks for sharing your efforts. Very good efforts, I might add. Also, like what has been said, I too like the mixed doors. Great way to add variety.

I was just out in the garage putting more kits and stuff on the shelves and noticed that there was a Sunshine Bx-56 kit “hiding” in the cabinet. I will keep the photos of your progress for reference.

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Feb 27, 2019, at 7:08 AM, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:


Some progress on a Sunshine ATSF Bx56




Just need to drill about 76 #79 holes 🤪🤪🤪

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



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Fw: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Bx56

charles slater
 



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From: Charles Slater <atsfcondr42@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:01 PM
To: Paul Doggett via Groups.Io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Bx56
 
The model is coming along nicely Paul. I know when you get all the grab iron holes drilled and finish the car, you will enjoy running it on your railroad it is a very distinct car and it was fun
Making the patterns for it for Martin.
Charlie Slater
The Pattern Maker 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Bx56
 

Some progress on a Sunshine ATSF Bx56




Just need to drill about 76 #79 holes 🤪🤪🤪

Paul Doggett   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



Re: ATSF Bx56

Bill Keene
 

Paul,

Thanks for sharing your efforts. Very good efforts, I might add. Also, like what has been said, I too like the mixed doors. Great way to add variety.

I was just out in the garage putting more kits and stuff on the shelves and noticed that there was a Sunshine Bx-56 kit “hiding” in the cabinet. I will keep the photos of your progress for reference.

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Feb 27, 2019, at 7:08 AM, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:


Some progress on a Sunshine ATSF Bx56




Just need to drill about 76 #79 holes 🤪🤪🤪

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



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FS: More books for east coasters

Allen Montgomery
 

NYC- Rails Along The Hudson by B.R. Chapter NRHS
Grand Trunk Heritage-Steam in New England by Philip R. Hastings
Western Maryland Steam In The Alleghenies by Ross Grenard and John Krause
B&O Heritage 1945-55 By John Krause and Ed Crist
Susquehanna By John Krause and Ed Crist
Connecticut Railroads..An Illistrated History by The Connecticut Historical Society
The Maine Two Footers by Linwood W Moody
The Interurban Era by William D. Middleton
And one that I already have...
Nevada County Narrow Gauge by Gerald M. Best
If interested, contact me off line, please.
Allen Montgomery

Re: H30 in Service

csxt5555
 

Tim 

I did 10 of these as a kit.  I also offered the 55 ton offset hopper car.  These are currently sold out and I just sold out of the rounded end Clinchfield/C&O/NKP hoppers.  If you’re are on Facebook you can check out my Erwin Shops page.
 
Kevin



On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Kevin,

A KIT ??? Wow, that is magnificent! Who makes 1.5" scale kits?

Tim



On 2/27/2019 8:13 AM, csxt5555 via Groups.Io wrote:
Here is 1 of the 10 H30 kits I did earning its keep in sand service.

Enjoy
Kevin Sprayberry 
Erwin Shops

Attachments:
image2.jpeg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/162498/0
image1.jpeg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/162498/1


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: H30 in Service

Tim O'Connor
 


Kevin,

A KIT ??? Wow, that is magnificent! Who makes 1.5" scale kits?

Tim



On 2/27/2019 8:13 AM, csxt5555 via Groups.Io wrote:
Here is 1 of the 10 H30 kits I did earning its keep in sand service.  

Enjoy
Kevin Sprayberry 
Erwin Shops

Attachments:
image2.jpeg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/162498/0
image1.jpeg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/162498/1


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts