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D&H Seley hoppers

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hello folks,

    Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not 
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers, 
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars, 
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series? 

    These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war 
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine

Re: Fw: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Bx56

Scott
 

Can you make the masters again? 😁  I am sure a lot of people would love to have that car.

Scott McDonald

Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Allan Smith
 

Try this photo. It is a dark photo but can be lightened.

Al Smith
Sonora Ca

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎06‎:‎01‎:‎17‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hello folks,

    Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not 
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers, 
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars, 
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series? 

    These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war 
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine

Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Allan Smith
 

The Post War Freight Car Fleet book has photos of D&H Hoppers on Pages 135, but of cars 6851-11600. The notes state that C A Seley designed cars like this for the D&H in 1901.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎07‎:‎43‎:‎42‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


Try this photo. It is a dark photo but can be lightened.

Al Smith
Sonora Ca
On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎06‎:‎01‎:‎17‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hello folks,

    Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not 
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers, 
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars, 
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series? 

    These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war 
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine

Re: ATSF Bx56

Paul Doggett
 

Thank you guys 😊

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 28 Feb 2019, at 02:33, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

Can you make the masters again? 😁  I am sure a lot of people would love to have that car.

Scott McDonald

Unknown Refrigerator at Steamtown

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I recently scanned up my photos from a circa 2000 visit to Steamtown. Among them is this unmarked refrigerator car. It appears to be of MDT design. Can anybody help me with a positive ID, including (hopefully) a car number? I have been unable to find any references to this car on the Steamtown site or Wikipedia. I hate untidiness in my collection.

Thank you in advance.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Re: H30 in Service

Todd Horton
 

Wow.  I looked at your Facebook page, that is very impressive work you’ve done building those cars from metal.  Todd Horton 


On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:22 AM, csxt5555 via Groups.Io <csxt5555@...> wrote:

Tim 

I did 10 of these as a kit.  I also offered the 55 ton offset hopper car.  These are currently sold out and I just sold out of the rounded end Clinchfield/C&O/NKP hoppers.  If you’re are on Facebook you can check out my Erwin Shops page.
 
Kevin



On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Kevin,

A KIT ??? Wow, that is magnificent! Who makes 1.5" scale kits?

Tim



On 2/27/2019 8:13 AM, csxt5555 via Groups.Io wrote:
Here is 1 of the 10 H30 kits I did earning its keep in sand service.

Enjoy
Kevin Sprayberry 
Erwin Shops

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Re: ATSF Bx56

gtws00
 

Nicely Done Paul.
Should look good all painted. Those doors make for a interesting car
George Toman

Re: ATSF Bx56

Paul Doggett
 

Thank you Geogre.

Paul 


On 28 Feb 2019, at 12:34, gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00@...> wrote:

Nicely Done Paul.
Should look good all painted. Those doors make for a interesting car
George Toman

Re: Rail Road Progress kits question

jerryglow2
 

Zoom down to 50% so you cat a whole page, do a screen shot, edit it and past it in your graphics software. I use CorelDraw so I can export all pages of an article as a PDF

to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I still need more 40' box cars, and I consider purchasing this one:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/098956/HO-Brass-Model-OMI-1338-UP-Union-Pacific-B-50-25-Express-Boxcar-24152-Unpainted-1984-Run-Ajin

Was the prototype always an express box car, or was it a conversion out of an ordinary freight car? If the latter - would it be possible to backdate it with reasonable effort? What exactly makes this an express box car? The two most obvious details I could tell are the steam line and the type of trucks - both easy to remove/ replace. Would it then be just a usual freight car (which class?)?

Many thanks and best regards

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Throwback Thursday: Varney

Benjamin Hom
 

Varney ad from the back cover of the February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom

Re: Fw: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Bx56

charles slater
 

Scott I still have a couple of those kits on hand, contact me off list for kit numbers and price.
Charlie Slater
Patternmaker

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Can you make the masters again? 😁  I am sure a lot of people would love to have that car.

Scott McDonald

Re: to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?

Ed Hawkins
 


On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

I still need more 40' box cars, and I consider purchasing this one:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/098956/HO-Brass-Model-OMI-1338-UP-Union-Pacific-B-50-25-Express-Boxcar-24152-Unpainted-1984-Run-Ajin

Was the prototype always an express box car, or was it a conversion out of an ordinary freight car? If the latter - would it be possible to backdate it with reasonable effort? What exactly makes this an express box car? The two most obvious details I could tell are the steam line and the type of trucks - both easy to remove/ replace. Would it then be just a usual freight car (which class?)?

Many thanks and best regards
Johannes

Johannes,
The following link provides history & data on the B-50-25 box cars that began in 1939 as UP 9100-9199. RP CYC Volumes 6 and 8 also provide information & photos. In addition the UPHS has published articles in The Streamliner on UP express box cars.


This data should provide sufficient information to answer all or most of your questions. Suggest coming back with specific questions you may still have after reviewing the link. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?

vapeurchapelon
 

Ed,
 
many thanks for that link. Yes, all questions have been answered (most important, that the model - unfortunately - won't match my needs.)
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2019 um 22:26 Uhr
Von: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?
 
On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
 
I still need more 40' box cars, and I consider purchasing this one:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/098956/HO-Brass-Model-OMI-1338-UP-Union-Pacific-B-50-25-Express-Boxcar-24152-Unpainted-1984-Run-Ajin

Was the prototype always an express box car, or was it a conversion out of an ordinary freight car? If the latter - would it be possible to backdate it with reasonable effort? What exactly makes this an express box car? The two most obvious details I could tell are the steam line and the type of trucks - both easy to remove/ replace. Would it then be just a usual freight car (which class?)?

Many thanks and best regards
Johannes
Johannes,
The following link provides history & data on the B-50-25 box cars that began in 1939 as UP 9100-9199. RP CYC Volumes 6 and 8 also provide information & photos. In addition the UPHS has published articles in The Streamliner on UP express box cars.
 
 
This data should provide sufficient information to answer all or most of your questions. Suggest coming back with specific questions you may still have after reviewing the link. 
 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
 
 

Re: to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?

Bryian Sones
 

Johannes,

Are you trying to put together a fleet of U.P. boxcars?
 

Regards,
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Thursday, February 28, 2019 2:04 PM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:


Ed,
 
many thanks for that link. Yes, all questions have been answered (most important, that the model - unfortunately - won't match my needs.)
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2019 um 22:26 Uhr
Von: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?
 
On Feb 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
 
I still need more 40' box cars, and I consider purchasing this one:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/098956/HO-Brass-Model-OMI-1338-UP-Union-Pacific-B-50-25-Express-Boxcar-24152-Unpainted-1984-Run-Ajin

Was the prototype always an express box car, or was it a conversion out of an ordinary freight car? If the latter - would it be possible to backdate it with reasonable effort? What exactly makes this an express box car? The two most obvious details I could tell are the steam line and the type of trucks - both easy to remove/ replace. Would it then be just a usual freight car (which class?)?

Many thanks and best regards
Johannes
Johannes,
The following link provides history & data on the B-50-25 box cars that began in 1939 as UP 9100-9199. RP CYC Volumes 6 and 8 also provide information & photos. In addition the UPHS has published articles in The Streamliner on UP express box cars.
 
 
This data should provide sufficient information to answer all or most of your questions. Suggest coming back with specific questions you may still have after reviewing the link. 
 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
 
 


Test Message

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Please excuse the band width waste, but I have received zero messages today from any of my groups, which seems pretty weird.  From the web, I can see that there have been some, today.
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile

Re: Test Message

Eric Lombard
 

Hi Steve!


On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 5:07 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
Please excuse the band width waste, but I have received zero messages today from any of my groups, which seems pretty weird.  From the web, I can see that there have been some, today.
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile

Re: to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?

Tim O'Connor
 

Johannes

In your era the cars were used exclusively in passenger train services as far as I know.

Some cars were repainted in the 1960's with freight service paint (attached). Later the
survivors all ended up in company service with 9xxxxx series numbers (as shown in the
photo) in both the yellow & gray, and freight colors.

Tim O'Connor

On 2/28/2019 11:26 AM, vapeurchapelon wrote:
Hello friends,

I still need more 40' box cars, and I consider purchasing this one:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/098956/HO-Brass-Model-OMI-1338-UP-Union-Pacific-B-50-25-Express-Boxcar-24152-Unpainted-1984-Run-Ajin

Was the prototype always an express box car, or was it a conversion out of an ordinary freight car? If the latter - would it be possible to backdate it with reasonable effort? What exactly makes this an express box car? The two most obvious details I could tell are the steam line and the type of trucks - both easy to remove/ replace. Would it then be just a usual freight car (which class?)?

Many thanks and best regards

Johannes
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Unknown Refrigerator at Steamtown

Tim O'Connor
 

Garth

It's definitely a DESPATCH built refrigerator car, but I don't know which MDT or possibly NRC series
it belonged to. I have photos of other MDT (and NRC) steel reefers but not this one. Back in the 1980's
and early 1990's Conrail had several MDT reefers painted this way, all used for company storage at the
east end of the huge Selkirk yard. I have photos of them but I've never scanned them. I wonder if that is
where this car came from.

 Do you have the MDT book?

Tim O'Connor


On 2/28/2019 7:06 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
Friends,

I recently scanned up my photos from a circa 2000 visit to Steamtown. Among them is this unmarked refrigerator car. It appears to be of MDT design. Can anybody help me with a positive ID, including (hopefully) a car number? I have been unable to find any references to this car on the Steamtown site or Wikipedia. I hate untidiness in my collection.

Thank you in advance.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

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