Date   

Re: to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?

mopacfirst
 

The fact that these cars were significantly shorter (lower height) than standard boxcars of their era hasn't been emphasized enough here.  I would point out, since none of the photos here even really shows that, that the B-50-25 is visually quite different than any typical steel freight service boxcar of the late thirties.  I can't quote its exact inside height, but it would be very obvious in a train.

Ron Merrick


Resin Car Works kit update

Eric Hansmann
 

A kit update is the latest post on the Resin Car Works blog. A few tank car kits are now available, plus NYC hopper decal sets.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/resin-car-works-kit-updates/

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: Help me design a new Grab Iron Bending Jig

mark_landgraf
 

Craig

You didn't state whether your intent was to create straight, 2 bend, 4 bend or 6 bend grabs, nor if you were going to round wire. 

Then there is the end treatment process. In the wire world it's referred to as heading up. Basically there isn't enough metal in the ends to create the end, so you heat up the end crunch in some extra steel and then hot form and punch the ends. 

I work in 1.5 inch scale and have produced these by the hundreds using mostly sheet metal equipment and 3/32 Dia steel wire. 

Tool and die work and 3D are not words I normally use in the same sentence. 

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY




On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:43 AM, Craig Bisgeier via Groups.Io
<cbisgeier@...> wrote:
Hey folks - I'm thinking about designing a tool for bending grab irons that can be 3D printed. I know that Micro-Mark has a tool for sale, and I could use that as a starting point. But I thought I would open this up to the braintrust and see if there are any thoughts on designing such a tool that doesn't necessarily follow that model. 
 
What I'm looking for is something adjustable and repeatable that allows grabs to be sized to any length, or at least many lengths. It should have a feature that alows the user to set a particular size with a groove, stop or fence that the user can place the wire against and bend many grabs to the same size without guess work. 
 
I have some ideas on this of my own but I'd like to see what others can come up with. If someone can help provide useful ideas that lead to a workable tool I'll gladly provide them with a finished copy of the tool when the project is completed.
 
Any ideas? Please share them with me!
 
Craig Bisgeier
 
cbisgeier -at- AmesvilleShops.com


Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Don Burn
 

Claus,

From a posting of yours with follow up data almost 10 years ago https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/17233131#93201 The claim was they were red until 1942 when the D&H started painting them black.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Seley hoppers

Hi Tim, Armand, and List Members,

The photo link provided by Tim is an image of mine that I uploaded to my Flickr account some time ago. It shows the factory painted (black) plastic N scale model that has been available in the past.

I myself have only ever seen one image of the prototype D&H Seley hoppers in black paint, that image can be found at the link below, the car was in a yard scene on a calendar photo...

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2797/4393259648_f9e3dc1c7c_o.jpg

I am not a D&H expert in any way, but always thought these were painted some kind of red shade for most of their lives.

An image showing the factory painted black car compared with with my custom painted and lettered red car can be found below...

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4070/4393259236_eccdab7538_o.jpg

I also have another image showing a weathered car...

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4150/4999321804_e419f078a6_o.jpg

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund






----- Original Message -----
From: Armand Premo <mailto:arm.p.prem@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <mailto:main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Seley hoppers

Color?I believe I saw an item that they were painted red for a brief period.Can anyone confirm this ?Mine are all black.Armand Premo
<https://my-email-signature.link/signature.gif?u=323093&e=48665532&v=697b4945b0f7ac3d3fbc24a566f45e07afb31f9d0db0586c5672911b2f5d9f38>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:12 PM Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor <mailto:@timboconnor> > wrote:



Found this on Flickr by searching for "Seley hopper"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/clausschlund/4392487783/


On 2/27/2019 11:29 PM, Allan Smith wrote:


The Post War Freight Car Fleet book has photos of D&H Hoppers on Pages 135, but of cars 6851-11600. The notes state that C A Seley designed cars like this for the D&H in 1901.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎07‎:‎43‎:‎42‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> <mailto:smithal9@...> wrote:


Try this photo. It is a dark photo but can be lightened.

http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/dhrr_freight/Don-Rickle/1152-2250-01.jpg <http://www.trainweb.org/dhvm/images/dhrr_freight/Don-Rickle/1152-2250-01.jpg>


Al Smith
Sonora Ca
On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎06‎:‎01‎:‎17‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt=yahoo.com@groups.io> <mailto:riverman_vt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Hello folks,

Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers,
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars,
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series?

These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine


Help me design a new Grab Iron Bending Jig

Craig Bisgeier
 

Hey folks - I'm thinking about designing a tool for bending grab irons that can be 3D printed. I know that Micro-Mark has a tool for sale, and I could use that as a starting point. But I thought I would open this up to the braintrust and see if there are any thoughts on designing such a tool that doesn't necessarily follow that model. 
 
What I'm looking for is something adjustable and repeatable that allows grabs to be sized to any length, or at least many lengths. It should have a feature that alows the user to set a particular size with a groove, stop or fence that the user can place the wire against and bend many grabs to the same size without guess work. 
 
I have some ideas on this of my own but I'd like to see what others can come up with. If someone can help provide useful ideas that lead to a workable tool I'll gladly provide them with a finished copy of the tool when the project is completed.
 
Any ideas? Please share them with me!
 
Craig Bisgeier
 
cbisgeier -at- AmesvilleShops.com


Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Tim, Armand, and List Members,
 
The photo link provided by Tim is an image of mine that I uploaded to my Flickr account some time ago. It shows the factory painted (black) plastic N scale model that has been available in the past.
 
I myself have only ever seen one image of the prototype D&H Seley hoppers in black paint, that image can be found at the link below, the car was in a yard scene on a calendar photo...
 
 
I am not a D&H expert in any way, but always thought these were painted some kind of red shade for most of their lives.
 
An image showing the factory painted black car compared with with my custom painted and lettered red car can be found below...
 
 
I also have another image showing a weathered car...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Seley hoppers

Color?I believe I saw an item that they were painted red for a brief period.Can anyone confirm this ?Mine are all black.Armand Premo

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:12 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Found this on Flickr by searching for "Seley hopper"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/clausschlund/4392487783/


On 2/27/2019 11:29 PM, Allan Smith wrote:
The Post War Freight Car Fleet book has photos of D&H Hoppers on Pages 135, but of cars 6851-11600. The notes state that C A Seley designed cars like this for the D&H in 1901.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎07‎:‎43‎:‎42‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


Try this photo. It is a dark photo but can be lightened.

Al Smith
Sonora Ca
On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎06‎:‎01‎:‎17‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hello folks,

    Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not 
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers, 
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars, 
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series? 

    These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war 
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine


Re: Throwback Tuesday: The Lindberg Line

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

Perhaps worth repeating now----- I spoke of the current availability of the former Lindberg trucks (E+B) back in August.  Here's what I posted----

"The old C+D (actually E+B) truck line has a new owner via email [jmcncorp@...].  The previous owner supplied wheels at 0.100 and 0.088 inch width and this MAY still be an option.  The new company has an ad in the August issue of the NMRA Magazine.  These are sprung trucks in three styles and two colors.  They are very free rolling with the Intermountain wheels and axles.  I cannot speak to the veracity of these trucks meeting any particular prototypes."

An update to try August post---
With an order I then subsequently received I was told that the new owner is making his own wheel sets.  While he supplied me the 0.088" wheel-sets, you should check on this being an available option.

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna. struggling to retain winter.

On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 10:41:52 PM EST, Ken Vandevoort via Groups.Io <apo09324@...> wrote:


E-B trucks are Lindberg.  I was told that at a trade show by the fellow that reintroduced them to the market.  Nothing rolled like them when they first came out.  I also have a switcher and a couple of the stock car kits.
Ken Vandevoort


Sratch Brush

Lester Breuer
 

 I have added a scratch brush tool post to my blog focusing on using a scratch brush with fiberglass bristles to remove lettering on freight cars.  Photos and writeup are on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If you would like to take a look please do at the following:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


scanned images

jerryglow2
 

It never fails to amaze me on a group so dedicated to detail and exactness, how people submit haphazardly aligned scanned images. If it's worth doing, PLEASE get them straight.


Re: Throwback Tuesday: The Lindberg Line

jerryglow2
 

I did artwork for decals when the article on the MILW stockcar came out


Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Armand Premo
 

Color?I believe I saw an item that they were painted red for a brief period.Can anyone confirm this ?Mine are all black.Armand Premo

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:12 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Found this on Flickr by searching for "Seley hopper"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/clausschlund/4392487783/


On 2/27/2019 11:29 PM, Allan Smith wrote:
The Post War Freight Car Fleet book has photos of D&H Hoppers on Pages 135, but of cars 6851-11600. The notes state that C A Seley designed cars like this for the D&H in 1901.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎07‎:‎43‎:‎42‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


Try this photo. It is a dark photo but can be lightened.

Al Smith
Sonora Ca
On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎06‎:‎01‎:‎17‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hello folks,

    Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not 
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers, 
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars, 
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series? 

    These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war 
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine


Re: Unknown Refrigerator at Steamtown

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim,

No MDT book. My reefer madness has been mainly a West Coast affliction, mostly PFE. The only all-refrigerator car books I have are Tony's PFE book (naturally!) and John Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS v. 3.

On 2/28/19 10:06 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Garth

It's definitely a DESPATCH built refrigerator car, but I don't know which MDT or possibly NRC series
it belonged to. I have photos of other MDT (and NRC) steel reefers but not this one. Back in the 1980's
and early 1990's Conrail had several MDT reefers painted this way, all used for company storage at the
east end of the huge Selkirk yard. I have photos of them but I've never scanned them. I wonder if that is
where this car came from.

 Do you have the MDT book?

Tim O'Connor


On 2/28/2019 7:06 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
Friends,

I recently scanned up my photos from a circa 2000 visit to Steamtown. Among them is this unmarked refrigerator car. It appears to be of MDT design. Can anybody help me with a positive ID, including (hopefully) a car number? I have been unable to find any references to this car on the Steamtown site or Wikipedia. I hate untidiness in my collection.

Thank you in advance.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Attachments:

_._

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Throwback Tuesday: The Lindberg Line

Ken Vandevoort
 

E-B trucks are Lindberg.  I was told that at a trade show by the fellow that reintroduced them to the market.  Nothing rolled like them when they first came out.  I also have a switcher and a couple of the stock car kits.
Ken Vandevoort


Re: Unknown Refrigerator at Steamtown

rwitt_2000
 

Tim,

Does it help to identify the reefer if it had a Duryea underframe?

I believe as built the feefer had a Duryea underframe.

Bob Witt


Re: Throwback Thursday: Varney

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben I'm really enjoying these advertisements. As a teen I used to love looking at any
ad that featured John Allen's work.

On 2/28/2019 3:01 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Varney ad from the back cover of the February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom

Attachments:
Varney Rolling Stock MR February 1959.jpg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/162527/0
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 


Found this on Flickr by searching for "Seley hopper"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/clausschlund/4392487783/


On 2/27/2019 11:29 PM, Allan Smith wrote:
The Post War Freight Car Fleet book has photos of D&H Hoppers on Pages 135, but of cars 6851-11600. The notes state that C A Seley designed cars like this for the D&H in 1901.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎07‎:‎43‎:‎42‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


Try this photo. It is a dark photo but can be lightened.

Al Smith
Sonora Ca
On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎27‎, ‎2019‎ ‎06‎:‎01‎:‎17‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hello folks,

    Some help is needed with Delaware & Hudson Seley hopper cars. I hacve three of the O&W Car Shops D&H Seley
hoppers all painted and ready to decal with the decals on hand as well. My 1938 and 1947 ORER's indicate that all of
these cars belonged to one of two groups, the 1001 - 1151 group or the 1152 - 2250 group. BUT, in looking for a photo
to serve as a lettering guide the only one found was on pages #410-#411 or Jim Shaughnessy's D&H book and therein
lies the problem. The photo shows on;ly the right half or a car side. With a D&H Challenger pushing the train with this
car up the northboud grade to Arrarat Summit it is clearly the era I model but the car number has five digits rather than
only four with a number that appears to be #10010! Unfortunately I cannot find any such number group for D&H cars of
any tyep in the ORER's I have here. My next ORER is from Jan. 1962 at which time the same two car niber groups are
in use for hopper cars but they are now stated to be of steel rather than only having a steel underframe. I am not 
knowledgeable enough about the D&H to know if the Seley cars were rebuilt with stell and kept the same numbers, 
which I very much doubt, or whether new cars were purchased and given the same number groups as the Seley cars, 
which I also doubt. So how does one account for a number in a #10000 series? 

    These cars were also found at one time with two, three and four hopper bays. Could one style be gone by the post war 
period and the remaining cars assigned to one number gfroup or the other depending upon thre number of hopper bays it
had? I have no clue from what has been found to date. Thius any helpo with these issues would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine
_._,_._,_

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Unknown Refrigerator at Steamtown

Tim O'Connor
 

Garth

It's definitely a DESPATCH built refrigerator car, but I don't know which MDT or possibly NRC series
it belonged to. I have photos of other MDT (and NRC) steel reefers but not this one. Back in the 1980's
and early 1990's Conrail had several MDT reefers painted this way, all used for company storage at the
east end of the huge Selkirk yard. I have photos of them but I've never scanned them. I wonder if that is
where this car came from.

 Do you have the MDT book?

Tim O'Connor


On 2/28/2019 7:06 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
Friends,

I recently scanned up my photos from a circa 2000 visit to Steamtown. Among them is this unmarked refrigerator car. It appears to be of MDT design. Can anybody help me with a positive ID, including (hopefully) a car number? I have been unable to find any references to this car on the Steamtown site or Wikipedia. I hate untidiness in my collection.

Thank you in advance.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Attachments:

_._

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: to UP fans: -B-50-25 Express Box - converting "back" to normal box car?

Tim O'Connor
 

Johannes

In your era the cars were used exclusively in passenger train services as far as I know.

Some cars were repainted in the 1960's with freight service paint (attached). Later the
survivors all ended up in company service with 9xxxxx series numbers (as shown in the
photo) in both the yellow & gray, and freight colors.

Tim O'Connor

On 2/28/2019 11:26 AM, vapeurchapelon wrote:
Hello friends,

I still need more 40' box cars, and I consider purchasing this one:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/098956/HO-Brass-Model-OMI-1338-UP-Union-Pacific-B-50-25-Express-Boxcar-24152-Unpainted-1984-Run-Ajin

Was the prototype always an express box car, or was it a conversion out of an ordinary freight car? If the latter - would it be possible to backdate it with reasonable effort? What exactly makes this an express box car? The two most obvious details I could tell are the steam line and the type of trucks - both easy to remove/ replace. Would it then be just a usual freight car (which class?)?

Many thanks and best regards

Johannes
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Test Message

Eric Lombard
 

Hi Steve!


On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 5:07 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
Please excuse the band width waste, but I have received zero messages today from any of my groups, which seems pretty weird.  From the web, I can see that there have been some, today.
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile


Test Message

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Please excuse the band width waste, but I have received zero messages today from any of my groups, which seems pretty weird.  From the web, I can see that there have been some, today.
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile