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Re: Easy way to fold Yarmouth ladder styles.

Scott
 

Forgot to add it folds them perfectly straight since it folds the entire length at the same time.  Also there isnt a need to go back and burnish it square or straight.

Scott McDonald


Re: Easy way to fold Yarmouth ladder styles.

Scott
 

This is the one I got.

http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?cPath=21_225&products_id=59

I have the photoetch tool from small shop as well.  The elbow bender is so much easier and faster.  Plus as I mentioned it isnt a one trick pony as it does really well with the little stuff too.

Scott McDonald


Re: Help me design a new Grab Iron Bending Jig

Craig Bisgeier
 

Hi Spen,

I'm intrigued by this, but I'm having a hard time picturing what you're describing. Any chance I could get you to make a sketch describing it?


Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Bryian Sones
 

Doug,
Thank you for the photos, modeling options and suggested reading material. Also, thank you to everyone else for your input too. I think I have enough info to represent some wood reefers. The challenge will be steel reefers, My first thought was to sacrifice some of my sunshine r-40-26 kits but after your comments about the differences with the URTX steel side car and it being a 37' car I will have to reconsider that option. I really dislike molded grab irons and ladders. No offense to those that do. Models with them certainly do serve a purpose in the hobby. I'm not sure the Accurail kit bash is worth the time for me but it is something to consider as a stand-in.

Kind regards,
        
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:29 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:


No, there are similarities, but also differences. Specifically the URTX cars is a 37’ meat reefer, the PFE is a 40’ car. Also notice the horizontal rivet seam on the URTX car, seen on other URTX cars. The plug door is shorter. The side sill has tabs in different locations.
 
Here is Tony Thompson’s blog on comparing an Accurail steel sided plug door reefer to the PRE R-40-26 http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/06/kitbashing-pfe-r-40-26.html
 
If you wanted a standin- the Accurail model could be used. But it is a 40’ car. I don’t know of any 37’ steel meat reefer models. The Walther’s 40’ cars, are produce reefers, not meat reefers, despite Walthers lettering them for meat packers.
 
 
Doug  Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 1:42 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars
 
Doug, 
 
The photo of the RSM URTX 66215, is this the same car as the PFE R-40-26?
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA
 
On Friday, March 1, 2019 8:56 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:
 
I think Bruce got several emails crossed. The Rapido reefer is fine for Oscar Mayer.  It needs sidesill modes for swift.  
Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 1, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Bryain,
 
Nope... it's a 37' kit bash starting with the 40' Accurail wood reefer.
 
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 4:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars
 
Thanks Bruce, is the Rapido 37' reefer a good representation of a URTX  leased to Oscar Mayer or Swift
or should I just start with a Lifelike car?
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA
 
On Friday, March 1, 2019 8:52 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
 
Bryian,
 
Check out the Shake n’ Take project from a few years ago ;)
 
Regards
Bruce
 
Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
 
 


On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:
 
Hi All,
 
I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's
I would like to get your input on the following:
 
  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.
 
Thank You,
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA
 
 
 



Ladder Attachments on a Santa Fe Reefer

gary laakso
 

 

This is a very revealing picture of how ladders were attached to a steel refrigerator car and note now the ladder curves into the bottom of the car:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-California-First-Roll/i-Ljp2WZK/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 


Re: Easy way to fold Yarmouth ladder styles.

Matt Smith
 

Here is where I got mine. This is the one Pierre recommends, I think he even had a few for sale at the Chicago RPM

https://thesmallshop.com/collections/photo-etch-bending-tools

They're also available via Amazon search "photo etched bending" 

--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Anthony and List Members,
 
Great photo Anthony, thanks.
 
The hopper appears to be coupled to a PRR class N6b cabin car (aka caboose).
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: D&H Seley hoppers

anthony wagner
 


Reweigh Oneonta 1-48. It's not red friends. Tony Wagner

On Saturday, March 2, 2019, 7:48:10 AM CST, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi Don and List Members,
 
For whatever it is worth, it was not me who said the black paint began in 1942. Not saying it did or didn't, jut that I myself simply don't know.
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Seley hoppers

Hello folks,

     The color for me on D&H Seley hoppers is not an issue, the numbering and lettering pattern has been. But Armand you 
surprise me. With 15 years on me you must remember these cars in an oxide red color which Al Seebach (O&W Car Shop)
states with the instructions for the decals supplied for his imported brass D&H Seley hoppers that they were red until being
repainted from 1960 onward. You really surprise me, Claus, with the statement that the black paint began in 1942. I would 
be very surporised to find it was used before the end oif WW II and suspect 1960 is closer to the mark IIRC even the Athearn
34 ft. twinn hoppers were painted an oxide red color. Yes, I know, that's Athearn but I doubt they were far off on that particular
model. Mine are all red and will remain that way until all are lettered, receive loads and are weathered. 

    Thanks to all who havce helped with this project, Don Valentine


Re: Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar

Steve SANDIFER
 

That is the first time I have ever heard of that.

At a recent train show I saw a Santa Fe reefer labeled ATSF.  Another Oops.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 8:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar

 

Ok, so I'm more tha willing to chalk this up to modeler's fancy, but I feel compelled to run it by the experts before I write it off entirely...

I recently saw an old Varney boxcar lettered for ATSF and in addition to the usual logos and slogans I've seen on such cars, this had a big diagonal "Vote Democratic" to the left of the door.

I find it hard to imagine, but did Santa Fe ever put such a thing on any real cars?

Thanks and I wish everyone a good weekend,
Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Jake Schaible
 

+1 for score and snap to CUT styrene.

For making parallel GROOVES in styrene, I use a set of photoetched tools called an "Scribe-R" from RB Productions. Pricey, but these two toothed scribes come in an array of gaps, and allow far better results that I can make otherwise.  Found them on ebay.  Go light and let the tool do the work.  

Luckily, I've rarely needed to make an entire sheet with such.  Mostly I use them to clean up reefers after cutting off molded grab irons prior to installing new ones.  


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Nelson Moyer
 

I score and snap styrene, then sand the bottom edge smooth. The top edge is usually square. I use a Tru Sander to square edges if necessary.

 

I was able to make replacement Z-channel for a stock car project by using brass strip of the appropriate thickness as a straightedge. Tape the brass to a flat surface, lay the first styrene strip with the edge against it, place the vertical styrene strip on edge against the brass, then place the cap strip on the brass overlapping the styrene. Run a tool along the glued edge to align and smooth the glue joint. Place weight on the top strip until the glue has set. I used MEK, but it’s too hot for making long strips, so you may wish to use Testors Liquid Plastic Cement which provides a longer working time.  Use the liquid sparingly for initial assembly, then go back and run a brush of Tenax along the joint to be sure it’s secure.

 

Tichy has  line of NBW castings that includes square nuts. Check to see if they offer the size you need. Looking at the prototype drawings, you’re talking about a lot of NBW castings!

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 8:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

 

Hi all,
Since there's no model or kit commercially available of WP's first (1916) Pullman-built box car -and there won't be in the near future I understand- I chose to try to build one myself.
Since I'm not afraid to rebuild, refine, DCC & paint brass engines or kitbash existing plastic or styrene models and kits, I thought; well let's give it a go.

First problem I encountered was scribing the styrene horizontally, to resemble the 5 1/4" T&G sheating.
For this I used various tools, obviously all not suited for making a clean gap: knife, sharpened dentist pick, 'scriber'.
So the question is; how do you make a clean cut in styrene without damaging the edges?

Second problem I encounterd was the Z-bracing.
The 3" bracing is not available in HO-scale, 5" is, but widht is too large.
So I decided to make my own from strip sryrene.
At least I thought I could, since gluing these tiny pieces together to form a Z-shape is only possible when you're a robot.
However, I succeeded to produce exactly one 3" Z-bar in half an hour.

But now the third issue came along: how to resemble the hundreds of 1/2" SQUARE thin head bolts that were used to slap this car together?
I'm aware Archer makes more or less the correct size, but these are dots, not squares.

If the above problems could be solved, I could try -again- to build this WP car.
For the moment I called it quits.

The 15001-series car ran (renumbered) untill the end of WP and is a 'landmark' WP car that's dearly missed in my WP collection.
I even have drawings of the unique run board saddles that could be replicated as brass etchings.
Hope the pros in this group can give me some how to advise, so I can build this car following the Pullman drawings.
Thank you for your assistance.

best regards
Fred Jansz


Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Douglas Harding
 

No, there are similarities, but also differences. Specifically the URTX cars is a 37’ meat reefer, the PFE is a 40’ car. Also notice the horizontal rivet seam on the URTX car, seen on other URTX cars. The plug door is shorter. The side sill has tabs in different locations.

 

Here is Tony Thompson’s blog on comparing an Accurail steel sided plug door reefer to the PRE R-40-26 http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/06/kitbashing-pfe-r-40-26.html

 

If you wanted a standin- the Accurail model could be used. But it is a 40’ car. I don’t know of any 37’ steel meat reefer models. The Walther’s 40’ cars, are produce reefers, not meat reefers, despite Walthers lettering them for meat packers.

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 1:42 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

 

Doug, 

 

The photo of the RSM URTX 66215, is this the same car as the PFE R-40-26?

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

On Friday, March 1, 2019 8:56 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

 

I think Bruce got several emails crossed. The Rapido reefer is fine for Oscar Mayer.  It needs sidesill modes for swift.  

Brian J. Carlson 


On Mar 1, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Bryain,

 

Nope... it's a 37' kit bash starting with the 40' Accurail wood reefer.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 4:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

 

Thanks Bruce, is the Rapido 37' reefer a good representation of a URTX  leased to Oscar Mayer or Swift
or should I just start with a Lifelike car?

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

On Friday, March 1, 2019 8:52 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Bryian,

 

Check out the Shake n’ Take project from a few years ago ;)

 

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 

 



On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,

 

I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's

I would like to get your input on the following:

 

  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.

 

Thank You,

 

Bryian Sones

Union Pacific Prototype Modeler

Murrieta, CA

 

 

 


Re: Easy way to fold Yarmouth ladder styles.

Nelson Moyer
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Craig Wilson
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 7:27 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Easy way to fold Yarmouth ladder styles.

 

A lot of different tools to sort through on their site.  Can you supply a reference to this specific tool you're using?  I've got quite a pile of Yarmough cars awaiting assembly.

 

Craig Wilson


Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Fred Jansz
 

Hi all,
Since there's no model or kit commercially available of WP's first (1916) Pullman-built box car -and there won't be in the near future I understand- I chose to try to build one myself.
Since I'm not afraid to rebuild, refine, DCC & paint brass engines or kitbash existing plastic or styrene models and kits, I thought; well let's give it a go.

First problem I encountered was scribing the styrene horizontally, to resemble the 5 1/4" T&G sheating.
For this I used various tools, obviously all not suited for making a clean gap: knife, sharpened dentist pick, 'scriber'.
So the question is; how do you make a clean cut in styrene without damaging the edges?

Second problem I encounterd was the Z-bracing.
The 3" bracing is not available in HO-scale, 5" is, but widht is too large.
So I decided to make my own from strip sryrene.
At least I thought I could, since gluing these tiny pieces together to form a Z-shape is only possible when you're a robot.
However, I succeeded to produce exactly one 3" Z-bar in half an hour.

But now the third issue came along: how to resemble the hundreds of 1/2" SQUARE thin head bolts that were used to slap this car together?
I'm aware Archer makes more or less the correct size, but these are dots, not squares.

If the above problems could be solved, I could try -again- to build this WP car.
For the moment I called it quits.

The 15001-series car ran (renumbered) untill the end of WP and is a 'landmark' WP car that's dearly missed in my WP collection.
I even have drawings of the unique run board saddles that could be replicated as brass etchings.
Hope the pros in this group can give me some how to advise, so I can build this car following the Pullman drawings.
Thank you for your assistance.

best regards
Fred Jansz


Re: D&H Seley hoppers

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Don and List Members,
 
For whatever it is worth, it was not me who said the black paint began in 1942. Not saying it did or didn't, jut that I myself simply don't know.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Seley hoppers

Hello folks,

     The color for me on D&H Seley hoppers is not an issue, the numbering and lettering pattern has been. But Armand you 
surprise me. With 15 years on me you must remember these cars in an oxide red color which Al Seebach (O&W Car Shop)
states with the instructions for the decals supplied for his imported brass D&H Seley hoppers that they were red until being
repainted from 1960 onward. You really surprise me, Claus, with the statement that the black paint began in 1942. I would 
be very surporised to find it was used before the end oif WW II and suspect 1960 is closer to the mark IIRC even the Athearn
34 ft. twinn hoppers were painted an oxide red color. Yes, I know, that's Athearn but I doubt they were far off on that particular
model. Mine are all red and will remain that way until all are lettered, receive loads and are weathered. 

    Thanks to all who havce helped with this project, Don Valentine


Re: Easy way to fold Yarmouth ladder styles.

jerryglow2
 

Me too. I bought some to build wider ladders per MP practice.


Re: Easy way to fold Yarmouth ladder styles.

Craig Wilson
 

A lot of different tools to sort through on their site.  Can you supply a reference to this specific tool you're using?  I've got quite a pile of Yarmough cars awaiting assembly.

Craig Wilson


Re: Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars

Bruce Smith
 

That's what I get for answering too quickly. I meant that the Shake n'Take was not based on these models 😉


Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:56 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars
 
I think Bruce got several emails crossed. The Rapido reefer is fine for Oscar Mayer.  It needs sidesill modes for swift.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 1, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Bryain,


Nope... it's a 37' kit bash starting with the 40' Accurail wood reefer.


Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 4:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mid 1950's Oscar Mayer Refrigerated Cars
 
Thanks Bruce, is the Rapido 37' reefer a good representation of a URTX  leased to Oscar Mayer or Swift
or should I just start with a Lifelike car?
 
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


On Friday, March 1, 2019 8:52 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Bryian,

Check out the Shake n’ Take project from a few years ago ;)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I'm looking to start a build project to model refrigerated cars that wore the Oscar Mayer Paint schemes in the mid 1950's
I would like to get your input on the following:

  • Sources for reference material
  • Photos
  • Accurate models or good starting point suggestions.

Thank You,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA




Re: Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Charlie,

Years ago in my misspent youth I had a decal sheet that came in some kit (Hobbyline, IIRC) that included "Vote Democratic" and "Vote Republican", along with "Jesus Saves" and some other graffiti. I will wager that is what you saw.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 3/1/19 10:18 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Could that slogan have been a graffito?
Tony Thompson 


On Mar 1, 2019, at 7:06 PM, charles slater <atsfcondr42@...> wrote:

They certainly did not letter any cars like that.
Charlie Slater

Sent from Outlook



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Brent Greer <studegator@...>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 6:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar
 
Ok, so I'm more tha willing to chalk this up to modeler's fancy, but I feel compelled to run it by the experts before I write it off entirely...

I recently saw an old Varney boxcar lettered for ATSF and in addition to the usual logos and slogans I've seen on such cars, this had a big diagonal "Vote Democratic" to the left of the door.

I find it hard to imagine, but did Santa Fe ever put such a thing on any real cars?

Thanks and I wish everyone a good weekend,
Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Mystery Ribbed FCM Automobile Boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Miles,

My 1958 ORER lists them as FCM 3500-3599, with 70 cars in the series. They are in English dimensions 40'-6" IL, 8'-6" IH, 3012 cubic feet, with a 12'-5 1/2" door opening. No loaders are mentioned. Series 9500-9599 with a total of 15 cars have nearly identical dimensions except for door width, and might be derivitives/rebuilds. I tried to blow up the photo, and think the build date might be 12-34, which would be appropriate for the 4/4 Dreadnaught ends. Note the radial roof, which appears to be corrugated metal. The left truck is missing both journal box covers on the side toward the camera.

It is an interesting car, but probably would not have run in the US due to the metric dimensional lettering.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 3/1/19 11:12 AM, Miles C wrote:
Stumbled across this neat ribbed FCM Automobile boxcar this morning, and I'd like more information about it. 

-Who built these, and when? 
-Did they find themselves in non-auto service (or auto parts service) after boxcars fell out of favor for carrying assembled autos?
-When were the majority of them retired?
-Were they in dedicated service or did they roam? 

Thanks.