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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
WILLIAM PARDIE
In addition to Andy’s kit there was an article on gthese cafs in Mainline Modeler.
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Bill Pardie
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Re: Sorry, Bill
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Bill,
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I have a set of Andy's castings. I would never consider having them copied. If Fred wants to make new masters from scratch, I would be interested in purchasing castings. Otherwise, I am not part of any plan to make copies of Andy's work Best to keep my name out of this discussion. Garth
On 3/6/19 1:03 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Sorry Andy but you owe me no apology. I was suggesting that Garth after agreement w/Fred send the casting to Andrew to copy, but maybe they can work out an arrangement for you to copy them for Fred. Or maybe Fred could pay you a fee for permission to copy them.
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ONCE AGAIN SEEKING PHOTO HELP
WILLIAM PARDIE
When I purchased the Westerfield kit of the S-40-3 stock car (the early cars with the deep side sill) I thought that I was ready to roll on this project. Not so. I felt that between Tony’s book and my own collection that I had the photos needed. Again not so. I learned long ago not to build a car without photo documentation. I hope that someone can help.
Thanks: Bill Pardie
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Re: Sorry, Bill
Fred Jansz
Gents, that was my initial idea the past 5 years.
Unfortunately this couldn't be arranged. So I'm in the process of building a master myself now. Not in a position to pay copyrights for someone else's work. If that would be the way to go then the rightful owner of the castings should contact Mr. Andrew Dahm, the right man who could make those copyright decisions for himself. No offence, but the castings in question are the only ones available, however, slightly dated compared to today's standards and should be altered IMHO. cheers, Fred Jansz
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
Fred Jansz
Dear Garth,
you're not bursting my bubble at all. 1. I model/collect 1950 2. According to my ORER there were 122 Pullman-built cars in service in 1950; 26001-26125. 3. only 35 of these were in bulk plaster (gypsum) service, running from the plant in Empire to WP interchange in Gerlach, NV, to wherever the customers were located. 20 equipped with 4 roof hatches and 15 with 2 hatches for bulk plaster (gypsum) loading. Some had removeable bulk heads installed. 4. in 1968 -52 years old- they were still going strong, according to another ORER. 5. Peter Arnold pictured 26019 in revenue/company service in 1974 and others were in service in one way or another untill the end of WP itself (1983). See Jim Eager, page 19. cheers, Fred Jansz Photo © Bob Larson, Oakland 1970
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
Fred Jansz
Tim,
that's exactly what I've been thinking the last 35 years while modeling US prototype... Overpaid like 35% on all items you guys buy for peanuts. cheers, Fred Jansz Buying from overseas seems rather ridiculous to me. Just my opinion.
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
Fred Jansz
Bill, you missed 'rod'.
They sell .010 rod. cheers, Fred Jansz I pulled up the Slater site and found .010 X .020 strips but no .010 X .010 strips which started this conversation. Am I missing something? Bill Pardie
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Re: Sorry, Bill
Bill Welch
Sorry Andy but you owe me no apology. I was suggesting that Garth after agreement w/Fred send the casting to Andrew to copy, but maybe they can work out an arrangement for you to copy them for Fred. Or maybe Fred could pay you a fee for permission to copy them.
Bill Welch
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
Plastruct has many sizes of styrene strip. Des Plaines Hobbies carries all kinds of fabulous stuff including all of the Plastruct and Evergreen products, plus amazing stuff like "hypodermic" stainless steel tubing, wire products, brass products, etc. Buying from overseas seems rather ridiculous to me. Just my opinion. Tim O'Connor
On 3/6/2019 12:17 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar
jerryglow2
Years ago, I had a friend who modeled WP, hated UP and was an avowed "blue screen" computer programmer. I did a graphic od a WP car, one weathered, one white lined and finally a UP repaint and made it into my Windows screen saver with the pics changing. I think he got a little respect for the capabilities of Windows
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
WILLIAM PARDIE
I pulled up the Slater site and found .010 X .020 strips but no .010 X .010 strips which started this conversation. Am I missing something? Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Fred Jansz <fred@...> Date: 3/5/19 8:53 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Scratchbuilding a car in styrene This groups technical facilities give us the possibility to add a 'link'. Therefore my thank you to Tony starts with a BLUE Slater's, which (blue) indicates a link to the Slater's site has been added. Click on the word Slayer's and magic! you end up on Slater's site. Bill, your link is not clickable. If you mark the lign: https://www.slatersplastikard.com/plastikard/plasticRod.php with your cursor and copy it, then click on the link icon above in the menu and paste the copied line in the field, the link to Slater's has been made. And is clickable for the rest of us. Maybe I'm telling you all the obvious, no offence, just a hint. best regards, Fred Jansz
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Sorry, Bill
Andy Carlson
Guys, I made an assumption about Bill's suggestion that someone, such as Mr. Dahm, could copy the WP cars for Fred. My assumption was incorrect in thinking that Bill was suggesting copies of my parts, which Fred pictured earlier this week. I realize that Bill meant the parts from Fred's own work, which is clearly the good way to go. My apologies for my lapse.... -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: Virtual RPM
Eric Hansmann
Many thanks for your kind comments, Dave and Bill! We encourage people to share their Pre-Depression Era model work and prototype inspirations. Several new people have joined since the Virtual RPM posted and I know a few RealSTMFC members have joined. What's interesting is the large proportion of people on this Facebook group who are not on this discussion group or other email discussion groups that are mostly focused on the late steam transition years. Before anyone posts their disdain for Facebook (and please don't as the Authorities here prefer you stay on point with freight cars), this is just another platform for people to learn and discuss earlier details of railroads and industries. Just as many people don't want any part of Facebook, there are a large number of folks who don't want any part of email discussion lists. We all have our preferences. At any rate, the Virtual RPM posts are quite popular. I've posted a few on my DesignBuildOp blog and on the Resin Car Works blog. I use them to promote an upcoming busy RPM schedule so people are encouraged to participate. Not everyone can travel a distance to an RPM, so a virtual presentation is meaningful. An RPM doesn't need to be large affair. I encourage informal meets with a dozen local modelers to display and discuss model work. Talking about the upgrades you've done to a few freight cars becomes a 20 to 30 minute clinic. Bring your own chairs and clear some yard space on the home layout for a model display area. Sometimes the space to display structures, locomotives, and freight cars is right under our noses. Eric Hansmann RPM advocate
On March 5, 2019 at 10:38 PM Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
gary laakso
Andy, how would anyone be encouraging copy castings if no one knew about your role in their creation? Your note is the first comment on their disputed ownership. The comment from Bill was designed to help get the models into modelers’ hands, not dispute your role in the patterns creation that we just found out about now.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 5:36 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
Bill, your suggestion would really rankle me.
I worked on these patterns with my friend who died last year. His widow sold everything to a single business in Georgia, even though I had offered to pay for all of the patterns. Though the buyer paid for the patterns and molds, they were half mine. If Mr. Dahm, or anyone else, were to sell parts from these patterns, I would take offense. Funny how people were complaining about the ebay offerings of copy castings and copy molds just a few months ago, and now we are getting encouragement to repeat. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 3:54:38 AM PST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
OTOH Garth to put Fred out of his misery you could send your castings to Andrew Dahm at Westerfield to make as many copies as Fred wants with him paying the freight all around.
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
Andy Carlson
Bill, your suggestion would really rankle me. I worked on these patterns with my friend who died last year. His widow sold everything to a single business in Georgia, even though I had offered to pay for all of the patterns. Though the buyer paid for the patterns and molds, they were half mine. If Mr. Dahm, or anyone else, were to sell parts from these patterns, I would take offense. Funny how people were complaining about the ebay offerings of copy castings and copy molds just a few months ago, and now we are getting encouragement to repeat. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 3:54:38 AM PST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
OTOH Garth to put Fred out of his misery you could send your castings to Andrew Dahm at Westerfield to make as many copies as Fred wants with him paying the freight all around. Bill Welch
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
Bill Welch
OTOH Garth to put Fred out of his misery you could send your castings to Andrew Dahm at Westerfield to make as many copies as Fred wants with him paying the freight all around.
Bill Welch
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Fred,
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I don't want to burst your bubble, but the last 125 (as 2601-26125) of these cars in revenue service were in restricted bulk plaster duty from Gerlach, Nevada, to where I don't know. There were only 24 left by 1958. I have never seen a photo of one of these running in California during their later years, except when they were returned to Sacramento or Oakland for scrapping as your photo shows. Of course, a handful were in MW service, though usually with extra windows and such. I have a set of those resin castings and someday I will build them up, though I don't know how I would use the car on my SN branch. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 3/6/19 2:03 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
I agree with that, but let's not forget most of us model/collect 1940-1960.
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
Fred Jansz
I agree with that, but let's not forget most of us model/collect 1940-1960.
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We judge pictures of ss cars taken in the 1950's or even (much) later when they were in company service. Until the end of the 1940's -and maybe later- car's were regularly cleaned and repainted. If a ss car was built in the 1930's, it was still be well maintained in the 1940's and might even be so in the 1950's. So what you see first is deteriorating paint in the 1950's. I can imagine that after that the wood get's weathered and long after that it breaks up. See this pic of the WP car I'm building, taken somewhere in the 1990's in Sacramento (car built 1916!). regards Fred Jansz
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 08:50 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote: As to weather beaten grain, I agree it can be over done. But we can't really model the dterioration of paint on random boards; graining gives the same visual effect.
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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene
Fred Jansz
Bill & Bill,
This groups technical facilities give us the possibility to add a 'link'. Therefore my thank you to Tony starts with a BLUE Slater's, which (blue) indicates a link to the Slater's site has been added. Click on the word Slayer's and magic! you end up on Slater's site. Bill, your link is not clickable. If you mark the lign: https://www.slatersplastikard.com/plastikard/plasticRod.php with your cursor and copy it, then click on the link icon above in the menu and paste the copied line in the field, the link to Slater's has been made. And is clickable for the rest of us. Maybe I'm telling you all the obvious, no offence, just a hint. best regards, Fred Jansz
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Re: Virtual RPM
Dave Nelson
I’ll second the recommendation. It is one of the best FB groups (“Sin on Celluloid, the pre-code era” is my favorite, 24k members – a tip of the hat to Miss Joan Blondell and a stink-eye to Joan Crawford; Just sayin).
Dave Nelson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Eric I suggest making people aware of the Facebook Pre-Depression group and otherwise there is a coherent group of people banded together to help model this era. Although this era is much earlier than mine, I am getting to know many of the people involved in Pre-Depression modeling. Their Facebook group is very good.
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