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Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

In addition to Andy’s kit there was an article on gthese cafs in Mainline Modeler.

Bill Pardie

On Mar 6, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Dear Garth,

you're not bursting my bubble at all.
1. I model/collect 1950
2. According to my ORER there were 122 Pullman-built cars in service in 1950; 26001-26125.
3. only 35 of these were in bulk plaster (gypsum) service, running from the plant in Empire to WP interchange in Gerlach, NV, to wherever the customers were located.
    20 equipped with 4 roof hatches and 15 with 2 hatches for bulk plaster (gypsum) loading. Some had removeable bulk heads installed.
4. in 1968 -52 years old- they were still going strong, according to another ORER.
5. Peter Arnold pictured 26019 in revenue/company service in 1974 and others were in service in one way or another untill the end of WP itself (1983). See Jim Eager, page 19.

cheers,
Fred Jansz

Photo © Bob Larson, Oakland 1970 <WP26072_Bob Larson_1970.jpg>


Re: Sorry, Bill

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill,

I have a set of Andy's castings. I would never consider having them copied. If Fred wants to make new masters from scratch, I would be interested in purchasing castings. Otherwise, I am not part of any plan to make copies of Andy's work Best to keep my name out of this discussion.

Garth

On 3/6/19 1:03 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Sorry Andy but you owe me no apology. I was suggesting that Garth after agreement w/Fred send the casting to Andrew to copy, but maybe they can work out an arrangement for you to copy them for Fred. Or maybe Fred could pay you a fee for permission to copy them.

Bill Welch


ONCE AGAIN SEEKING PHOTO HELP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

When I purchased the Westerfield kit of the S-40-3 stock car (the early cars with the deep side sill) I thought that I was ready to roll on this project. Not so. I felt that between Tony’s book and my own collection that I had the photos needed. Again not so. I learned long ago not to build a car without photo documentation. I hope that someone can help.

Thanks:

Bill Pardie


Re: Sorry, Bill

Fred Jansz
 

Gents, that was my initial idea the past 5 years.
Unfortunately this couldn't be arranged.
So I'm in the process of building a master myself now.
Not in a position to pay copyrights for someone else's work.
If that would be the way to go then the rightful owner of the castings should contact Mr. Andrew Dahm, the right man who could make those copyright decisions for himself.
No offence, but the castings in question are the only ones available, however, slightly dated compared to today's standards and should be altered IMHO.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Fred Jansz
 

Dear Garth,

you're not bursting my bubble at all.
1. I model/collect 1950
2. According to my ORER there were 122 Pullman-built cars in service in 1950; 26001-26125.
3. only 35 of these were in bulk plaster (gypsum) service, running from the plant in Empire to WP interchange in Gerlach, NV, to wherever the customers were located.
    20 equipped with 4 roof hatches and 15 with 2 hatches for bulk plaster (gypsum) loading. Some had removeable bulk heads installed.
4. in 1968 -52 years old- they were still going strong, according to another ORER.
5. Peter Arnold pictured 26019 in revenue/company service in 1974 and others were in service in one way or another untill the end of WP itself (1983). See Jim Eager, page 19.

cheers,
Fred Jansz

Photo © Bob Larson, Oakland 1970


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Fred Jansz
 

Tim,

that's exactly what I've been thinking the last 35 years while modeling US prototype...
Overpaid like 35% on all items you guys buy for peanuts.

cheers,
Fred Jansz

Buying
from overseas seems rather ridiculous to me. Just my opinion.


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Fred Jansz
 

Bill, you missed 'rod'.
They sell .010 rod.

cheers,
Fred Jansz
I pulled up the Slater site and found .010 X .020 strips but no .010 X .010 strips which started this conversation.  Am I missing something?
 
Bill Pardie


Re: Sorry, Bill

Bill Welch
 

Sorry Andy but you owe me no apology. I was suggesting that Garth after agreement w/Fred send the casting to Andrew to copy, but maybe they can work out an arrangement for you to copy them for Fred. Or maybe Fred could pay you a fee for permission to copy them.

Bill Welch


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Tim O'Connor
 


Plastruct has many sizes of styrene strip. Des Plaines Hobbies carries all kinds of
fabulous stuff including all of the Plastruct and Evergreen products, plus amazing stuff
like "hypodermic" stainless steel tubing, wire products, brass products, etc. Buying
from overseas seems rather ridiculous to me. Just my opinion.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/6/2019 12:17 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
I pulled up the Slater site and found .010 X .020 strips but no .010 X .010 strips which started this conversation.  Am I missing something?

Bill Pardie

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Strange ATSF slogan on a boxcar

jerryglow2
 

Years ago, I had a friend who modeled WP, hated UP and was an avowed "blue screen" computer programmer. I did a graphic od a WP car, one weathered, one white lined and finally a UP repaint and made it into my Windows screen saver with the pics changing. I think he got a little respect for the capabilities of Windows


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I pulled up the Slater site and found .010 X .020 strips but no .010 X .010 strips which started this conversation.  Am I missing something?

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Fred Jansz <fred@...>
Date: 3/5/19 8:53 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Bill & Bill,
This groups technical facilities give us the possibility to add a 'link'.
Therefore my thank you to Tony starts with a BLUE Slater's, which (blue) indicates a link to the Slater's site has been added.
Click on the word Slayer's and magic! you end up on Slater's site.
Bill, your link is not clickable.
If you mark the lign: https://www.slatersplastikard.com/plastikard/plasticRod.php with your cursor and copy it, then click on the link icon above in the menu and paste the copied line in the field, the link to Slater's has been made.
And is clickable for the rest of us.
Maybe I'm telling you all the obvious, no offence, just a hint.
best regards,
Fred Jansz


Sorry, Bill

Andy Carlson
 

Guys, I made an assumption about Bill's suggestion that someone, such as Mr. Dahm, could copy the WP cars for Fred. My assumption was incorrect in thinking that Bill was suggesting copies of my parts, which Fred pictured earlier this week. I realize that Bill meant the parts from Fred's own work, which is clearly the good way to go.
My apologies for my lapse....
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Virtual RPM

Eric Hansmann
 

Many thanks for your kind comments, Dave and Bill!

We encourage people to share their Pre-Depression Era model work and prototype inspirations. Several new people have joined since the Virtual RPM posted and I know a few RealSTMFC members have joined. What's interesting is the large proportion of people on this Facebook group who are not on this discussion group or other email discussion groups that are mostly focused on the late steam transition years.

Before anyone posts their disdain for Facebook (and please don't as the Authorities here prefer you stay on point with freight cars), this is just another platform for people to learn and discuss earlier details of railroads and industries. Just as many people don't want any part of Facebook, there are a large number of folks who don't want any part of email discussion lists. We all have our preferences.

At any rate, the Virtual RPM posts are quite popular. I've posted a few on my DesignBuildOp blog and on the Resin Car Works blog. I use them to promote an upcoming busy RPM schedule so people are encouraged to participate. Not everyone can travel a distance to an RPM, so a virtual presentation is meaningful. 

An RPM doesn't need to be large affair. I encourage informal meets with a dozen local modelers to display and discuss model work. Talking about the upgrades you've done to a few freight cars becomes a 20 to 30 minute clinic. Bring your own chairs and clear some yard space on the home layout for a model display area. Sometimes the space to display structures, locomotives, and freight cars is right under our noses.   


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

RPM advocate


On March 5, 2019 at 10:38 PM Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

I’ll second the recommendation.  It is one of the best FB groups (“Sin on Celluloid, the pre-code era” is my favorite, 24k members – a tip of the hat to Miss Joan Blondell and a stink-eye to Joan Crawford; Just sayin).

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 8:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Virtual RPM

 

Eric I suggest making people aware of the Facebook Pre-Depression group and otherwise there is a coherent group of people banded together to help model this era. Although this era is much earlier than mine, I am getting to know many of the people involved in Pre-Depression modeling. Their Facebook group is very good.

Bill Welch

 


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

gary laakso
 

Andy, how would anyone be encouraging copy castings if no one knew about your role in their creation?   Your note is the first comment on their disputed ownership.  The comment from Bill  was designed to help get the models into modelers’ hands, not dispute your role in the patterns creation that we just found out about now.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 5:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

 

Bill, your suggestion would really rankle me.

 

I worked on these patterns with my friend who died last year. His widow sold everything to a single business in  Georgia, even though I had offered to pay for all of the patterns. Though the buyer paid for the patterns and molds, they were half mine. If Mr. Dahm, or anyone else, were to sell parts from these patterns, I would take offense. Funny how people were complaining about the ebay offerings of copy castings and copy molds just a few months ago, and now we are getting encouragement to repeat.

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 3:54:38 AM PST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

 

 

OTOH Garth to put Fred out of his misery you could send your castings to Andrew Dahm at Westerfield to make as many copies as Fred wants with him paying the freight all around.

Bill Welch


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Andy Carlson
 

Bill, your suggestion would really rankle me.

I worked on these patterns with my friend who died last year. His widow sold everything to a single business in  Georgia, even though I had offered to pay for all of the patterns. Though the buyer paid for the patterns and molds, they were half mine. If Mr. Dahm, or anyone else, were to sell parts from these patterns, I would take offense. Funny how people were complaining about the ebay offerings of copy castings and copy molds just a few months ago, and now we are getting encouragement to repeat.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 3:54:38 AM PST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


OTOH Garth to put Fred out of his misery you could send your castings to Andrew Dahm at Westerfield to make as many copies as Fred wants with him paying the freight all around.

Bill Welch


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Bill Welch
 

OTOH Garth to put Fred out of his misery you could send your castings to Andrew Dahm at Westerfield to make as many copies as Fred wants with him paying the freight all around.

Bill Welch


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Fred,

I don't want to burst your bubble, but the last 125 (as 2601-26125) of these cars in revenue service were in restricted bulk plaster duty from Gerlach, Nevada, to where I don't know. There were only 24 left by 1958. I have never seen a photo of one of these running in California during their later years, except when they were returned to Sacramento or Oakland for scrapping as your photo shows. Of course, a handful were in MW service, though usually with extra windows and such.

I have a set of those resin castings and someday I will build them up, though I don't know how I would use the car on my SN branch.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 3/6/19 2:03 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
I agree with that, but let's not forget most of us model/collect 1940-1960.
We judge pictures of ss cars taken in the 1950's or even (much) later when they were in company service.
Until the end of the 1940's -and maybe later- car's were regularly cleaned and repainted.
If a ss car was built in the 1930's, it was still be well maintained in the 1940's and might even be so in the 1950's.
So what you see first is deteriorating paint in the 1950's.
I can imagine that after that the wood get's weathered and long after that it breaks up.
See this pic of the WP car I'm building, taken somewhere in the 1990's in Sacramento (car built 1916!).
regards
Fred Jansz

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 08:50 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
As to weather beaten grain, I agree it can be over done. But we can't really model the dterioration of paint on random boards; graining gives the same visual effect.


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Fred Jansz
 

I agree with that, but let's not forget most of us model/collect 1940-1960.
We judge pictures of ss cars taken in the 1950's or even (much) later when they were in company service.
Until the end of the 1940's -and maybe later- car's were regularly cleaned and repainted.
If a ss car was built in the 1930's, it was still be well maintained in the 1940's and might even be so in the 1950's.
So what you see first is deteriorating paint in the 1950's.
I can imagine that after that the wood get's weathered and long after that it breaks up.
See this pic of the WP car I'm building, taken somewhere in the 1990's in Sacramento (car built 1916!).
regards
Fred Jansz


On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 08:50 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
As to weather beaten grain, I agree it can be over done. But we can't really model the dterioration of paint on random boards; graining gives the same visual effect.


Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Fred Jansz
 

Bill & Bill,
This groups technical facilities give us the possibility to add a 'link'.
Therefore my thank you to Tony starts with a BLUE Slater's, which (blue) indicates a link to the Slater's site has been added.
Click on the word Slayer's and magic! you end up on Slater's site.
Bill, your link is not clickable.
If you mark the lign: https://www.slatersplastikard.com/plastikard/plasticRod.php with your cursor and copy it, then click on the link icon above in the menu and paste the copied line in the field, the link to Slater's has been made.
And is clickable for the rest of us.
Maybe I'm telling you all the obvious, no offence, just a hint.
best regards,
Fred Jansz


Re: Virtual RPM

Dave Nelson
 

I’ll second the recommendation.  It is one of the best FB groups (“Sin on Celluloid, the pre-code era” is my favorite, 24k members – a tip of the hat to Miss Joan Blondell and a stink-eye to Joan Crawford; Just sayin).

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 8:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Virtual RPM

 

Eric I suggest making people aware of the Facebook Pre-Depression group and otherwise there is a coherent group of people banded together to help model this era. Although this era is much earlier than mine, I am getting to know many of the people involved in Pre-Depression modeling. Their Facebook group is very good.

Bill Welch

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