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Re: Vanderbilt Tank Car

Gary Ray
 

Do you happen to know what publication the article was in?  The issue would even be better yet. Internet search did not find it.  Also checked all past MR issues. 

Thanks,

Gary Ray

 

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This model (S scale) is based on the first published article by Chuck Yungkurth, in 1954.

 


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Vanderbilt Tank Car

David
 

The larger pic reveals that this car was built by American Steel Foundry during their brief season as a car builder circa 1900-01.

David Thompson


Re: Vanderbilt Tank Car

Douglas Harding
 

It was possible to zoom in on the image and do a screen save. Lettering is readable. See attached.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Wolcott
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Vanderbilt Tank Car

 

Wow, this is a photo I thought I would never see.  I was beginning to wonder if the car had ever been built.  This model (S scale) is based on the first published article by Chuck Yungkurth, in 1954.   Chuck went on to publish numerous articles until his passing. I was fortunate to meet Chuck some years ago at the Colorado Railroad Museum where he volunteered.

 

Chuck said he had never found a photo of the prototype, nor who had owned these cars.  Some basic diagrams of the car were all he could find.

 

I started this model in 1964 at the age of 13. At that time I constructed the tank out of copper pipe, the dome out of brass, and the ends out of heat formed acrylic. The frame is wood shapes, as styrene shapes were not available then.

 

52 years later, I decided to complete this car.  I had to guess as to the rivet patterns.  Now with this photo I can do them right.  I never finished because I hesitated to guess at the brake layout.  And I'll get to make a few other changes, like a second brake wheel, and are those folding stirrup steps?  Looks like the grab irons shown on the diagrams did not make it to the real car.

Wish I could read the fine lettering.  But at least I now have a photo and know the car actually existed.

Steve Wolcott


Re: Vanderbilt Tank Car

gary laakso
 

Steve:

 

A message on the CB&Q group stated that the car was used to transport water to a remote mine site and for the small community that worked the mine.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Wolcott
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Vanderbilt Tank Car

 

Wow, this is a photo I thought I would never see.  I was beginning to wonder if the car had ever been built.  This model (S scale) is based on the first published article by Chuck Yungkurth, in 1954.   Chuck went on to publish numerous articles until his passing. I was fortunate to meet Chuck some years ago at the Colorado Railroad Museum where he volunteered.

 

Chuck said he had never found a photo of the prototype, nor who had owned these cars.  Some basic diagrams of the car were all he could find.

 

I started this model in 1964 at the age of 13. At that time I constructed the tank out of copper pipe, the dome out of brass, and the ends out of heat formed acrylic. The frame is wood shapes, as styrene shapes were not available then.

 

52 years later, I decided to complete this car.  I had to guess as to the rivet patterns.  Now with this photo I can do them right.  I never finished because I hesitated to guess at the brake layout.  And I'll get to make a few other changes, like a second brake wheel, and are those folding stirrup steps?  Looks like the grab irons shown on the diagrams did not make it to the real car.

Wish I could read the fine lettering.  But at least I now have a photo and know the car actually existed.

Steve Wolcott


Re: Vanderbilt Tank Car

Steve Wolcott
 

Wow, this is a photo I thought I would never see.  I was beginning to wonder if the car had ever been built.  This model (S scale) is based on the first published article by Chuck Yungkurth, in 1954.   Chuck went on to publish numerous articles until his passing. I was fortunate to meet Chuck some years ago at the Colorado Railroad Museum where he volunteered.

 

Chuck said he had never found a photo of the prototype, nor who had owned these cars.  Some basic diagrams of the car were all he could find.

 

I started this model in 1964 at the age of 13. At that time I constructed the tank out of copper pipe, the dome out of brass, and the ends out of heat formed acrylic. The frame is wood shapes, as styrene shapes were not available then.

 

52 years later, I decided to complete this car.  I had to guess as to the rivet patterns.  Now with this photo I can do them right.  I never finished because I hesitated to guess at the brake layout.  And I'll get to make a few other changes, like a second brake wheel, and are those folding stirrup steps?  Looks like the grab irons shown on the diagrams did not make it to the real car.

Wish I could read the fine lettering.  But at least I now have a photo and know the car actually existed.

Steve Wolcott


Re: UP 175288 in 1938 - emigrants

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

I haven't got a clue what that could possibly mean, but I'm more curious about the document itself.
I've never seen a report like that. Was this a monthly report generated by a station agent? What would
be the purpose of such a report, since each shipment generated its own waybill, and presumably those
would all eventually be accounted for?

     The monthly station report was commonplace, Tim. Instruction books for station agents include them, and so does the _AAR Accounting Rules_ book.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: UP 175288 in 1938 - emigrants

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/9/2019 9:55 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
I suspect the note means mixed freight, one family's farm implements, furniture, and household goods. --The people needed to buy tickets and traveled by coach.

    That's the way my grandfather and family moved from PA to MI years ago.  I tried to trace the route but it's amazing the number of different RR's back then.

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: UP 175288 in 1938 - emigrants

Dennis Storzek
 

We don't ship people in boxcars here; that's a European thing. I suspect the note means mixed freight, one family's farm implements, furniture, and household goods. In those years there may still have been a tariff to encourage emigrant families to move by rail. The people needed to buy tickets and traveled by coach.

Dennis Storzek


Re: UP 175288 in 1938 - emigrants

Paul Krueger
 

Tim, these forms don't come with any explanation of the purpose but I can tell you what I have observed.

It appears that every staffed station on the Milwaukee filled out these daily reports and submitted them monthly to the Division Freight and Passenger Agent. Sometimes agents at low volume stations submitted a months worth of information on one form, as seen here for Enumclaw. I've also seen monthly packets of daily forms where every form was filled out as 'blank'. There was one report for cars received and one for cars forwarded.

At the division level, I've seen reports on various commodities like eggs and autos that may have been derived from these monthly reports of daily activity.

I've been working with these documents as a volunteer with Cascade Rail Foundation. We have boxes full of these forms and we've been putting each month into a labeled folder so we can get them organized and inventoried. They date mostly from the 1920s - 1930s and are mostly from stations south of Tacoma, WA, though there are some from other stations in Washington.

Whatever their purpose, these forms provide some interesting information about what was being shipped where and sometimes the routes the shipments used to get there.

Thanks Ed, for providing the details about UP 175288.

If anyone is interested in helping process this collection of forms, we meet during the day at Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive in Burien, WA, typically on the second and fourth Fridays each month.

Paul

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: UP 175288 in 1938 - emigrants

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/9/2019 6:31 AM, Paul Krueger wrote:
car was used to ship a carload of emigrants from Mitchell, SD to Enumclaw, WA in March 1938.

    A boxcar full of people?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: UP 175288 in 1938 - emigrants

Tim O'Connor
 

Paul

I haven't got a clue what that could possibly mean, but I'm more curious about the document itself.
I've never seen a report like that. Was this a monthly report generated by a station agent? What would
be the purpose of such a report, since each shipment generated its own waybill, and presumably those
would all eventually be accounted for?

Tim O'

On 3/9/2019 9:31 AM, Paul Krueger wrote:

What kind of car was UP 175288 in 1938? I ran across some documentation (attached) that indicates this car was used to ship a carload of emigrants from Mitchell, SD to Enumclaw, WA in March 1938.

Thanks,

Paul

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA



Attachments:


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Operating on Santa Fe's Alma branch

Bill Welch
 

Wish I could round up a small group from the Tampa area to carpool to Jared's for the weekend.

Bill Welch


Re: UP 175288 in 1938 - emigrants

Ed Hawkins
 


On Mar 9, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...> wrote:

What kind of car was UP 175288 in 1938? I ran across some documentation (attached) that indicates this car was used to ship a carload of emigrants from Mitchell, SD to Enumclaw, WA in March 1938.

Paul,
The 7/38 ORER denotes UP 175000-175399 as 40-ton XA auto cars, 50’-3” IL, 10’ IH, 9’-2” IW, staggered doors 9’-11” width, A-end door 1.5’ x 1’, 4626 cu. ft., 389 cars in service.

A 1941 UP diagram specifies the cars as railroad class A-40-1, built by Standard Steel Car Co. in 1913, rebuilt in 1928, single-sheathed design with 4 vertical & diagonal exterior braces to left of door & 3 vertical & diagonal braces to right of door. Between the vertical braces nearest the ends were Interior diagonal braces. 

Other data from the diagram:
Inside length - 50’ 3 7/8” 
Inside height - 10’-0 5/8"
Door opening - 9’-11 7/8” clear, 10’-5 5/8” between door posts
Superstructure - wood & steel posts & braces outside
Underframe - steel riveted (line drawing shows fish-belly center sill)
Ends - steel Dreadnaught
Roof - Improved Piv. Flexible
Side doors - wood with steel frame, Camel fixtures
Hand brake - Ajax
Trucks - Andrews side frames
Wheels - cast iron

Regards,
Ed Hawkins




Re: Operating on Santa Fe's Alma branch

Bruce Smith
 

Jerry,


I do no know if you're familiar with Jared's operation, so let me describe it a bit. I'm not sure a video would do it justice. The Alma branch fills Jared's basement with a single level, multiple peninsula layout. Ops sessions consist of 4 operators (engineer, conductor, head end brakeman, rear end brakeman) and one train (technically two trains as the local has a different train number for the return trip. Operations consist of assembling the out bound train at the junction of the branch and the main, which can be a weee bit of a puzzle at times 😉 That can take some time. Then the train ambles off down the branch, where each town is switched. Typical town arrangements have a single, double-ended siding with multiple businesses served, so there is often a lot of shuffling. Cars for Alma are added to the train and those headed back to the other end of the branch are left at the facing point end (trailing point on the return) switch end of the siding for pickup on the return. In Alma, the businesses are switched, and the cars for interchange are dropped, the engine reverses on the wye and the train heads home, switching trailing points on the way. There is additional switching at the end of the branch, prior to tying up the train. It takes around 3 hours or longer for all this action to happen. Although planned for the future, I don't think Jared has added any additional traffic (stock extras), so this is not a layout with any traffic related gaming. Videos would show some of the open Kansas running at track speed (20 mph?), Jared's excellent scenery and structures, and frequent stops to figure out how to switch each town.


I have really enjoyed each ops session I have attended... and I should note that Jared also feeds his operators really well!


Regards,

Bruce Smith,

temporarily on Jekyll Island, Ga



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Any videos of the session or your layout?


UP 175288 in 1938 - emigrants

Paul Krueger
 

What kind of car was UP 175288 in 1938? I ran across some documentation (attached) that indicates this car was used to ship a carload of emigrants from Mitchell, SD to Enumclaw, WA in March 1938.

Thanks,

Paul

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA




Gondola Photos Added To Album Pages

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I have just added photos of two very rare shortline gondolas to "Garth Groff's Album 6, Freight Cars" for your knowledge, enjoyment, and approval. They are found on page 9 of our group's photo section. These are Delray Connecting 1440 and Patapsco & Back Rivers 127. The prints were purchased from a jumble box at Hammon The Archivist in Sacramento some 30 years ago.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



Re: Operating on Santa Fe's Alma branch

David North
 

I’m looking forward to seeing the video, Jared.

Cheers

Dave


Re: Unknown Refrigerator at Steamtown

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bob,

The MDT articles at my disposal (Hinman and Rydarwicz) do not mention Duryea underframes. That said, according to a document posted on the Steam Era Freight Cars web site ( http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/duryea-mdt-icmain.html ) MDT 9476-9477 and leased IC 51000 were retro-fitted with Duryea underframes as part of a test.

The four MDT cars were M6-2 design from lot 844 built as MDT 94759-8874 sometime between 1947-1950. My two sources don't cover the IC leased cars. These MDT cars were very similar to PFE class R40-23 (Intermountain or Athearn), except for the ends which Hinman says were 4/2/1 (from the drawings with his article they look like 4/3 and are closer to the incorrect Athearn 4/3 ends than Intermountain's correct 3/3).

The Steamtown car has Despatch ends which in current modelers' nomenclature are 5/2/S. Only the 1951-1954 M6-4 cars had these ends. Hinman's article in the May 2002 MM is accompanied by a scale drawing of this class plus he offers a nice low-level shot of NRC 19122 from the same group. Both the plan and the photo do not show any indication of a Duryea underframe.  Based on the evidence, I cannon support the notion of a Duryea underframe on the Steamtown car.

I do not own the Signature Press MDT book. Perhaps someone with a copy can comment on any mention of Duryea underframes.

I'm still hoping for a number for the Steamtown car. Has the car been restored, and has anyone here photographed it in recent years? Of course, I should ask if anyone squatted down to see what sort of underframe it has. I suppose I will have to go back to Steamtown someday and do my own crawling around.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/28/19 10:38 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:
Tim,

Does it help to identify the reefer if it had a Duryea underframe?

I believe as built the feefer had a Duryea underframe.

Bob Witt


Re: Can Anyone identify the gondola coupled to the MP blister sided gondola?

golden1014
 

It looks like an IC car to me, Gary.  The indented Murphy ends are the giveaway.

John Golden


Re: Operating on Santa Fe's Alma branch

Jared Harper
 

Tom Klimoski who attended the last session with three friends videoed the session.  It whould be posted on You Tube soon.  I will let everyone know when it can be viewed.

Jared Harper

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