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Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Gary Ray
 

Eric,

Great job for an 11 year old (or anyone)!  Has held up well over the years.

Gary Ray

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 9:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

 

Hello Everyone,

I have enjoyed the memories on this thread! My first model, 1953, was plastic SFRD reefer. As I recall, a yellow and black body shell, underframe, and trucks. Not difficult for a 10-year-old. My father, in Korea, had suggested we start thinking about a model RR. The nest year, the family together in Japan, my first scratch build: a Jack Armstrong (have I got that right?) strathmoor freight house from plans in MR. The reefer is gone, but the freight house endures and here is this morning's photo. The finish shows the strong influence of John Allen on this beginner and look at all those hand laid shingles!! 

 

Eric Lombard


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Re: Missouri Pacific 50-foot SS DD: Modeling from MDC

mopacfirst
 

Those are really good detail shots, especially showing the two-level Dalman trucks.  Those weren't available when this car first appeared, and maybe I didn't notice the difference, but I used the Roundhouse truck on this and a few other cars of similar era because it had the sort of roundness to the sideframe that some of these older trucks had.  I also notice these are drop grabs on the end right and side left corners, not sure what's on mine.
Regarding the wood doors, I will note this car was repacked at Lesperance St. (MP in St. Louis) 3-45.

Ron Merrick


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Eric Lombard
 

Hello Everyone,
I have enjoyed the memories on this thread! My first model, 1953, was plastic SFRD reefer. As I recall, a yellow and black body shell, underframe, and trucks. Not difficult for a 10-year-old. My father, in Korea, had suggested we start thinking about a model RR. The nest year, the family together in Japan, my first scratch build: a Jack Armstrong (have I got that right?) strathmoor freight house from plans in MR. The reefer is gone, but the freight house endures and here is this morning's photo. The finish shows the strong influence of John Allen on this beginner and look at all those hand laid shingles!! 
 
Eric Lombard


Re: NKP Consist

William Hirt
 

Lenny,

Here is the excerpt from National Perishable Protective Tariff #11 from 1941 about salting normal refrigerator cars:

(F) Shipper must specify in writing on shipping order and bill
of lading salting service desired, as provided in this rule,
using the appropriate, "Shipper's Instructions" as shown
below, and Agent must waybill accordingly:
(a) Salt Service with Standard Refrigeration Service:
1-"...% salt supplied with initial icing. No further
salting."
2-". . .%salt supplied with initial icing. Supply %
salt at all regular icing stations."
3-"...% salt supplied with initial icing. Supply same
percentage salt at (Specify regular icing station).
No further salting."
4- "Supply . . .% salt at (Insert first reicing station)
on basis bunker capacity of car and at all reicing stations
thereafter ... % salt on basis amount ice supplied . '
5-"No salt supplied with initial icing. Supply. . .% salt
at (Specify regular icing station) on basis bunker
capacity of car. No further salting."
6-"No salt supplied with initial icing. Supply. . .% salt
at (Specify regular icing station) on basis bunker capacity
of car and at (Specify regular icing station) on basis
amount ice supplied. No further salting."
7-"100 pounds salt supplied with initial icing. Supply
pounds (Specify 75 lbs. or less) of salt at each
regular icing station in transit."
Exception.—Not applicable on traffic covered by
paragraph G-9.
8-"No salt supplied with initial icing. Supply 100 pounds
salt at (Specify regular icing station) and pounds
(Specify 75 lbs. or less) of salt at each regular icing
station in transit."
Exception.—Not applicable on traffic covered by
paragraph G-9.
9-Applies only as provided in sub-paragraph 9 of paragraph
G.—"Supply. . . .pounds of salt at origin and. . . .
pounds at all regular icing stations."
Note.—-One of instructions provided above for supplying
salt on basis of percentage of ice supplied
may be given in addition to this instruction.
10-Applies only as provided in sub-paragraph 9 of paragraph
G.—"Supply. . . .pounds of salt at
(Specify origin and /or one or more regular icing stations
and quantity} of salt to be supplied at each)."
Note.—One of instructions provided above for supplying
salt on basis of percentage of ice supplied
may be given in addition to this instruction.

So it seems like the shipper specified the amount of salt as there was a charge for salt each time it was done. Is this different than when you worked for Western Fruit Express?

Bill Hirt

On 3/13/2019 9:44 AM, Walter wrote:
National Perishable Protective Tariff


BLI 6000 Tank Cars

Jeffrey White
 

I preorderd the 4 pack that had the Monsanto car.  Trainworld just called and said the order was in and they were going to ship.

Does anyone here want any of these cars?

Elect. Bleach. Gas #193

Niag. Smelt. #1001

South. Alkali #634

I'm willing to trade for Hooker or UTLX.

Jeff White

Alma, IL


Re: modeling a crane question

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Doug,

There may have been a discussion here about allowing cranes and such here as Jack references, but I don’t recall it.

That doesn’t mean a darn thing as I don’t recall what I had for breakfast…… or if I had breakfast.

But, as usual, I do have an opinion. Of course, if there has been a hard rule made against it, I stand very much corrected.

To my way of thinking, MOW equipment should be included here. Yes, they are not revenue producing freight cars, but they are carriers of freight necessary for to the railroad’s operation.

Nit-pickers beware; I can get my back up and raise cane (My hurricane that is) if I hear all about the used passenger cars in company service or how a caboose doesn’t haul freight. Well, in MOW service, many a caboose did haul freight and, back in the day, I’d dare you to show me a freight train that did not need a caboose on it.

Besides I love rr cranes. And that’s my two cents, which is likely more than it’s worth.

John Hagen

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 9:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] modeling a crane question

 

I have a few questions as to modeling a railroad crane/wrecker but I wanted to first make sure that this topic is appropriate for this group as its now a freight car per se.  Would someone give me a thumbs up or thumbs down before I proceed with my questions?


Re: Missouri Pacific 50-foot SS DD: Modeling from MDC

Bill Welch
 

No, it is in a storage box but it looks exactly like the two photos

Bill Welch


Re: NKP Consist

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Jack,

Binghamton was home to Endicott-Johnson, a shoe manufacturing company that employed about 25,000 people at its height and consumed tons of hides.  The Erie RR tracks through neighboring Johnson City and Endicott were lined with E-J factory buildings, and even today in that area, any name that has 'E' and 'J' in it probably was associated with the company, e.g., the EnJoy Country Club.  Ever heard of Ena-Jetic Shoes?  That was an E-J brand.

There's lots more to the E-J story.  George F. Johnson, E-J's leader for many years, had a policy of respecting people, which helped grow the company and the region.  His "Square Deal" (a fair day's pay for a fair day's work) helped FDR create his "New Deal", and many of Johnson's ethics and policies were adopted by IBM's Thomas J. Watson Sr.  E-J workers who came from all over Europe would send money to their families back home so they could come to Binghamton and get jobs at E-J.  Immigrant families would arrive in New York and the only English they know was "Which way E-J?"  The Binghamton area today is still shows much more hospitality and respect to people than any other area in the Northeastern U.S. that I have experienced, and one's ethnic and cultural background is to be celebrated rather than be a reason to compete.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

I got my start in model railroading with Varney plastic kits.  Sometime in the early 1950s KIX cereal offered Varney kits with a box top and some token amount of money.  As I recall now, I started with an undecorated unpowered F-unit a couple of box cars and some hopper cars.  Varney's plastic covered hopper was just a "lid" on the open-top, two-bay hopper.  I believe I still have all those cars and the locomotive.
Gene Green 


RPCYC

Jerry Michels
 

If anyone is interested, we have a few duplicate issues for sale

Jerry Michels


Re: NKP Consist

Walter
 

Someone thought the percentages shown in the right column for the two cars was for
weight limit. The tonnage column shows 55 and 45 tons. If someone has a copy of the National Perishable Protective Tariff for that time frame, I would be curious as to how much salt was specified. The citrus fruit has 3 or 4 percent salt added if I recall.

Lenny Ohrnell


Re: modeling a crane question

Jack Burgess
 

I seem to recall that we concluded earlier and M of W and cabooses were okay. But someone else might remember differently…

 

Jack

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] modeling a crane question

 

I have a few questions as to modeling a railroad crane/wrecker but I wanted to first make sure that this topic is appropriate for this group as its now a freight car per se.  Would someone give me a thumbs up or thumbs down before I proceed with my questions?


Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Benjamin Hom
 

Ambroid PRR Class R7 reefer ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom


modeling a crane question

Doug Forbes
 

I have a few questions as to modeling a railroad crane/wrecker but I wanted to first make sure that this topic is appropriate for this group as its now a freight car per se.  Would someone give me a thumbs up or thumbs down before I proceed with my questions?


Re: Throwback Thursday: Varney's Shift to Styrene

Tim O'Connor
 


you posted that same ad from the same issue back in February

On 3/13/2019 9:48 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Varney ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.  The tank car and single door boxcar eventually went to Life-Like.


Ben Hom

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Throwback Thursday: Varney's Shift to Styrene

Benjamin Hom
 

Varney ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.  The tank car and single door boxcar eventually went to Life-Like.


Ben Hom


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

James E Kubanick
 

I only have one of the old Varney cars. It is the Frisco Box Car - still in service.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 8:18:42 PM EDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Yes my first car was the Varney State of Maine red white and blue metal boxcar....1957.....and I still have it
Fenton 


On Mar 12, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Ken Vandevoort via Groups.Io <apo09324@...> wrote:

First kit I ever built was a metal Varney Fairmont Creamery reefer from E&H Model Hobbies almost 60 years ago.  Still got it.
Ken Vandevoort


Re: Missouri Pacific 50-foot SS DD: Modeling from MDC

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks so much Bill, if possible could you post a photo of your finished model.  Thanks
Fenton

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 7:25 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
Recently there was a thread about the Model Die Casting 50-foot kit in its various forms including two wood doors that is exactly correct for the Missouri Pacific. Attached are two scans of Howard Ameling photos (printed by Joe Collias) that help document how accurate the MDC kit is for the MP. I would not ordinarily post photos from a commercial vender but Mr. Ameling is deceased and his collection is not in wide circulation but does have a home with the Nickel Plate Historical Society according to their website. Can any Nickel Plate HS members please tell us if a list of his photos is available?

Going from memory I think the only thing I did with my model other than replacing the molded on Grabs and Ladders, adding better underbody brake detail, and new handbrake was styrene strip under the doors.

Bill Welch



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Missouri Pacific 50-foot SS DD: Modeling from MDC

Bill Welch
 

Recently there was a thread about the Model Die Casting 50-foot kit in its various forms including two wood doors that is exactly correct for the Missouri Pacific. Attached are two scans of Howard Ameling photos (printed by Joe Collias) that help document how accurate the MDC kit is for the MP. I would not ordinarily post photos from a commercial vender but Mr. Ameling is deceased and his collection is not in wide circulation but does have a home with the Nickel Plate Historical Society according to their website. Can any Nickel Plate HS members please tell us if a list of his photos is available?

Going from memory I think the only thing I did with my model other than replacing the molded on Grabs and Ladders, adding better underbody brake detail, and new handbrake was styrene strip under the doors.

Bill Welch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] BLI Tank Cars - Other prototypes?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Randy;

Hooker was another big shipper of chlorine and other gases; see attached.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Hammill
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 10:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] BLI Tank Cars - Other prototypes?

Yeah, there's a siding on the maps in New Britain that's either for New Britain Water Works, or in later years, City of New Britain storeyard. Unfortunately, it didn't quite fit on the layout. It makes me want to go see if I can squeeze it in, though. At the very least, I can have the cars come to the yard, "to be delivered" at a later date. And they'll be on through trains to Hartford, etc.

Thanks!

Randy

Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 | https//:blog.newbritainstation.com

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