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Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

I got my start in model railroading with Varney plastic kits.  Sometime in the early 1950s KIX cereal offered Varney kits with a box top and some token amount of money.  As I recall now, I started with an undecorated unpowered F-unit a couple of box cars and some hopper cars.  Varney's plastic covered hopper was just a "lid" on the open-top, two-bay hopper.  I believe I still have all those cars and the locomotive.
Gene Green 


RPCYC

Jerry Michels
 

If anyone is interested, we have a few duplicate issues for sale

Jerry Michels


Re: NKP Consist

Walter
 

Someone thought the percentages shown in the right column for the two cars was for
weight limit. The tonnage column shows 55 and 45 tons. If someone has a copy of the National Perishable Protective Tariff for that time frame, I would be curious as to how much salt was specified. The citrus fruit has 3 or 4 percent salt added if I recall.

Lenny Ohrnell


Re: modeling a crane question

Jack Burgess
 

I seem to recall that we concluded earlier and M of W and cabooses were okay. But someone else might remember differently…

 

Jack

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] modeling a crane question

 

I have a few questions as to modeling a railroad crane/wrecker but I wanted to first make sure that this topic is appropriate for this group as its now a freight car per se.  Would someone give me a thumbs up or thumbs down before I proceed with my questions?


Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Benjamin Hom
 

Ambroid PRR Class R7 reefer ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom


modeling a crane question

Doug Forbes
 

I have a few questions as to modeling a railroad crane/wrecker but I wanted to first make sure that this topic is appropriate for this group as its now a freight car per se.  Would someone give me a thumbs up or thumbs down before I proceed with my questions?


Re: Throwback Thursday: Varney's Shift to Styrene

Tim O'Connor
 


you posted that same ad from the same issue back in February

On 3/13/2019 9:48 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Varney ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.  The tank car and single door boxcar eventually went to Life-Like.


Ben Hom

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Throwback Thursday: Varney's Shift to Styrene

Benjamin Hom
 

Varney ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.  The tank car and single door boxcar eventually went to Life-Like.


Ben Hom


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

James E Kubanick
 

I only have one of the old Varney cars. It is the Frisco Box Car - still in service.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 8:18:42 PM EDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Yes my first car was the Varney State of Maine red white and blue metal boxcar....1957.....and I still have it
Fenton 


On Mar 12, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Ken Vandevoort via Groups.Io <apo09324@...> wrote:

First kit I ever built was a metal Varney Fairmont Creamery reefer from E&H Model Hobbies almost 60 years ago.  Still got it.
Ken Vandevoort


Re: Missouri Pacific 50-foot SS DD: Modeling from MDC

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks so much Bill, if possible could you post a photo of your finished model.  Thanks
Fenton

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 7:25 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
Recently there was a thread about the Model Die Casting 50-foot kit in its various forms including two wood doors that is exactly correct for the Missouri Pacific. Attached are two scans of Howard Ameling photos (printed by Joe Collias) that help document how accurate the MDC kit is for the MP. I would not ordinarily post photos from a commercial vender but Mr. Ameling is deceased and his collection is not in wide circulation but does have a home with the Nickel Plate Historical Society according to their website. Can any Nickel Plate HS members please tell us if a list of his photos is available?

Going from memory I think the only thing I did with my model other than replacing the molded on Grabs and Ladders, adding better underbody brake detail, and new handbrake was styrene strip under the doors.

Bill Welch



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Missouri Pacific 50-foot SS DD: Modeling from MDC

Bill Welch
 

Recently there was a thread about the Model Die Casting 50-foot kit in its various forms including two wood doors that is exactly correct for the Missouri Pacific. Attached are two scans of Howard Ameling photos (printed by Joe Collias) that help document how accurate the MDC kit is for the MP. I would not ordinarily post photos from a commercial vender but Mr. Ameling is deceased and his collection is not in wide circulation but does have a home with the Nickel Plate Historical Society according to their website. Can any Nickel Plate HS members please tell us if a list of his photos is available?

Going from memory I think the only thing I did with my model other than replacing the molded on Grabs and Ladders, adding better underbody brake detail, and new handbrake was styrene strip under the doors.

Bill Welch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] BLI Tank Cars - Other prototypes?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Randy;

Hooker was another big shipper of chlorine and other gases; see attached.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Hammill
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 10:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] BLI Tank Cars - Other prototypes?

Yeah, there's a siding on the maps in New Britain that's either for New Britain Water Works, or in later years, City of New Britain storeyard. Unfortunately, it didn't quite fit on the layout. It makes me want to go see if I can squeeze it in, though. At the very least, I can have the cars come to the yard, "to be delivered" at a later date. And they'll be on through trains to Hartford, etc.

Thanks!

Randy

Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 | https//:blog.newbritainstation.com


Re: NKP Consist

Jack Mullen
 

Schuyler and group,

Assuming the "SKINS" are destined for shoemaking, I'd bet on pigskin.
The numbers in column A are station numbers. They appear to be the originating point on NKP. The more frequent ones are 2446, Madison IL and 1416 Peoria IL.  The NKP Historical Society has a 1950s list of stations online, which I used. Thanks, NKP folks!
The interchange points for cars destined offline are in column E: 1090 Lima OH, and 0 Buffalo. Haven't looked up the others yet.  I'm a bit puzzled by your mention of Binghamton. 

Jack Mullen


Re: NKP Consist

Jeffrey White
 

This probably isn’t what’s in the reefer in question but my friend who’s layout I operate on is a retired railroader, IC, Big Four, PC and Conrail. He worked in the St Louis area and he talks about handling reefers loaded with hog pancreases from National Stockyards in National City (the stockyards were between East St Louis and Brooklyn, IL and were incorporated as a city) to Eli Lily for the production of insulin.

Jeff White
Alma, IL
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On 3/12/19, 23:00, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org> wrote:

From: Douglas Harding <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NKP Consist
Date: March 12, 2019 at 23:00:26 CDT
I too wondered about “skins”. The skins are in reefers, whereas the hides are in boxcars. Indicating the skins needed to be preserved with refrigeration. Could the skins be fur bearing pelts? Not just sheep skins, but rabbit skins, mink skins, raccoon skins, etc. used to create fur coats and the like. I once visited a fur buying operation, he had a large refrigerated room where he skinned the fur bearing animals to preserve the pelts until they could be tanned.
 
TRAX 12436 containing SKINS, is a reefer leased to Armour. The TRAX reefers were built by ART in 1954, attached is a photo of another car in the series taken by Jim Sands from my collection.
ARL 1860 containing FRZN SKINS, is also a reefer leased to Armour, attached is a photo of ARLX 1900.
 
As the reefers in question are leased by a meat packer, they may not be fur bearing pelts. More likely sheep skins.
 
Doug  Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP Consist
 
Hello Bill & Group!
 
I also wondered about "Skins" having done talks on "hides" and the cars that carried them.  Both the cars in Brian's NKP list are meat reefers.  I think the assumption of something maybe edible and needing refrigeration is possibly correct.  Note that the loads are 25-30% of capacity so these cars are not heavily loaded.  Sausage is squeezed into '"casings" and my dictionaries do not list "skins" as an alternative.  I have not seen skins as an alternative to hides loaded into now-otherwise-useless boxcars.  (They get pretty smelly in this service.)  BUT--for all references I ever saw, I assumed the hides were COW hides.  What about lamb, sheep, goats, and perhaps hogs?  We usually call their hides, skins.  Perhaps these reefers carried such skins to be tanned at Stoneham, Mass.  Did Stoneham have a B&M served tannery or a sausage factory in 1957?
 
Reefers also carried hides.  I have seen waybill evidence of this use for reefers but it was uncommon.
 
Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna. where the spring's initial growth of skunk cabbage has appeared.
 
On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 8:50:25 PM EDT, William Hirt <whirt@fastmail.com> wrote:
 
 
I showed the consist doc to several people today. One repeated question
was the cars that showed SKINS as their contents. One suggestion was the
load was to be used as sausage casings and another suggestion was to
make pork rinds (assuming the load was pork skins). Both cars were going
to Stoneham MA on the B&M. Anyone have more insight into this?

Bill Hirt

On 3/11/2019 11:55 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
> While going thru some NKP docs I found the attached NKP consist from
> 1957. A lot of meat as expected. Routings are shown too. All sort of
> neat stuff, including dog food in reefers. May the discussion commence.
>
> Brian J Carlson, P.E.
> Cheektowaga NY 14227


Re: NKP Consist

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I shared the list with my model RR club list, and asked specifically about the two cars with skins. The North Shore club (www.nsmrc.org )is in Wakefield MA, next to Stoneham. The guys were able to establish that by 1950, the dozens of shoe manufacturers in the area were down to three in Stoneham. It's likely that those "skins" were on their way to becoming shoes.

ARL is the reporting mark on one of the cars - the FRZN one, IIRC. That is Armour Refrigerator Lines. Makes a lot of sense; once they got the meat out, they would have a lot of skins to ship out, and have the cars to send them in. The other car has reporting marks TRAX, which I have not had time to look up yet.

I wondered if Brian has any information that would explain the numbers in the left-most column. I don't think they are "Kind of Car," as it says at the top. Are those numerical designations of interchange points? I am quite curious where the substantial number of cars that are to go to the ERIE were going to be interchanged. Binghamton, would be my best guess, but there were options.

What can you tell us, Brian?

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of William Hirt
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP Consist

I showed the consist doc to several people today. One repeated question was the cars that showed SKINS as their contents. One suggestion was the load was to be used as sausage casings and another suggestion was to make pork rinds (assuming the load was pork skins). Both cars were going to Stoneham MA on the B&M. Anyone have more insight into this?

Bill Hirt

On 3/11/2019 11:55 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
While going thru some NKP docs I found the attached NKP consist from
1957. A lot of meat as expected. Routings are shown too. All sort of
neat stuff, including dog food in reefers. May the discussion commence.

Brian J Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY 14227


Re: NKP Consist

Douglas Harding
 

I too wondered about “skins”. The skins are in reefers, whereas the hides are in boxcars. Indicating the skins needed to be preserved with refrigeration. Could the skins be fur bearing pelts? Not just sheep skins, but rabbit skins, mink skins, raccoon skins, etc. used to create fur coats and the like. I once visited a fur buying operation, he had a large refrigerated room where he skinned the fur bearing animals to preserve the pelts until they could be tanned.

 

TRAX 12436 containing SKINS, is a reefer leased to Armour. The TRAX reefers were built by ART in 1954, attached is a photo of another car in the series taken by Jim Sands from my collection.

ARL 1860 containing FRZN SKINS, is also a reefer leased to Armour, attached is a photo of ARLX 1900.

 

As the reefers in question are leased by a meat packer, they may not be fur bearing pelts. More likely sheep skins.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP Consist

 

Hello Bill & Group!

 

I also wondered about "Skins" having done talks on "hides" and the cars that carried them.  Both the cars in Brian's NKP list are meat reefers.  I think the assumption of something maybe edible and needing refrigeration is possibly correct.  Note that the loads are 25-30% of capacity so these cars are not heavily loaded.  Sausage is squeezed into '"casings" and my dictionaries do not list "skins" as an alternative.  I have not seen skins as an alternative to hides loaded into now-otherwise-useless boxcars.  (They get pretty smelly in this service.)  BUT--for all references I ever saw, I assumed the hides were COW hides.  What about lamb, sheep, goats, and perhaps hogs?  We usually call their hides, skins.  Perhaps these reefers carried such skins to be tanned at Stoneham, Mass.  Did Stoneham have a B&M served tannery or a sausage factory in 1957?

 

Reefers also carried hides.  I have seen waybill evidence of this use for reefers but it was uncommon.

 

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna. where the spring's initial growth of skunk cabbage has appeared.

 

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 8:50:25 PM EDT, William Hirt <whirt@...> wrote:

 

 

I showed the consist doc to several people today. One repeated question
was the cars that showed SKINS as their contents. One suggestion was the
load was to be used as sausage casings and another suggestion was to
make pork rinds (assuming the load was pork skins). Both cars were going
to Stoneham MA on the B&M. Anyone have more insight into this?

Bill Hirt

On 3/11/2019 11:55 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
> While going thru some NKP docs I found the attached NKP consist from
> 1957. A lot of meat as expected. Routings are shown too. All sort of
> neat stuff, including dog food in reefers. May the discussion commence.
>
> Brian J Carlson, P.E.
> Cheektowaga NY 14227



Re: NKP Consist

mark_landgraf
 

Skins might be beef Hides. It was relatively common to ship green (not tanned) beef hides that would be turned into leather.  They were usually shipped hand stacked in boxcars. It was a relatively common commodity in eastern NY and New England

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:50 PM, William Hirt
<whirt@...> wrote:
I showed the consist doc to several people today. One repeated question
was the cars that showed SKINS as their contents. One suggestion was the
load was to be used as sausage casings and another suggestion was to
make pork rinds (assuming the load was pork skins). Both cars were going
to Stoneham MA on the B&M. Anyone have more insight into this?

Bill Hirt

On 3/11/2019 11:55 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
> While going thru some NKP docs I found the attached NKP consist from
> 1957. A lot of meat as expected. Routings are shown too. All sort of
> neat stuff, including dog food in reefers. May the discussion commence.
>
> Brian J Carlson, P.E.
> Cheektowaga NY 14227




Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] BLI Tank Cars - Other prototypes?

Todd Sullivan
 

You might also look up any dealers in compressed gases.  I worked at a tennis club in Portland OR as the life guard /pool guardian for a summer, and we had bottled chlorine delivered to us more or less monthly to maintain enough in the pool water to kill germs. I'm not sure what other industrial uses there were for chlorine.  I know paper plants consumed a lot, especially for the non-kraft (brown) kinds of paper, but those deliveries went in the 11k gallon ICC 105 pressure insulated cars like the ones Atlas and Kadee make in HO.

BTW, I grew up in Providence RI and attended Henry Barnard School which sat inside the NH's curve that went through the station.  In 3rd grade, I probably spent more time watching trains than the lessons on the board.  Summers were in Matunick, and my Dad would commute down to Kingston often, where we would pick him up after work in Providence.  I remember being cautioned to get behind something at the station when the Merchants Limited came flying through at 60+ with two DL109's on the point.

Much later, I worked on contract at CL&P in New Britain for about 6 months - I was a Service Bureau employee, back when SBC was part of IBM.  I con't recall doing much railfanning while I was there.

Todd.

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 10:01:55 PM EDT, Randy Hammill <nhrr@...> wrote:


Yeah, there's a siding on the maps in New Britain that's either for New Britain Water Works, or in later years, City of New Britain storeyard. Unfortunately, it didn't quite fit on the layout. It makes me want to go see if I can squeeze it in, though. At the very least, I can have the cars come to the yard, "to be delivered" at a later date. And they'll be on through trains to Hartford, etc. 

Thanks!

Randy

Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954  | https//:blog.newbritainstation.com


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] BLI Tank Cars - Other prototypes?

Randy Hammill
 

Yeah, there's a siding on the maps in New Britain that's either for New Britain Water Works, or in later years, City of New Britain storeyard. Unfortunately, it didn't quite fit on the layout. It makes me want to go see if I can squeeze it in, though. At the very least, I can have the cars come to the yard, "to be delivered" at a later date. And they'll be on through trains to Hartford, etc. 

Thanks!

Randy

Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954  | https//:blog.newbritainstation.com


Re: April ops on the Alma branch

Sandy Bridges
 

I’ m there. Any one of the above.
Sandy Bridges

On Mar 12, 2019, at 2:05 PM, Jared Harper <harperandbrown@gmail.com> wrote:

I am planning my April op session on my Santa Fe Alma branch layout. I need two more people for one of the following dates: 4/6, 4/7, 4/14, 4/27 or 4/28. My op sessions begin with Lunch at noon. After lunch we head to the basement for a 2 1/2-3 1/2 hour op session , running mixed trains 95.96 from Burlingame, KS, to Alma, KS and back. Each train has a 3 man crew. One person is the engineer, one the conductor and the third fills the position of brakeman.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30605
706-543-8821








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