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Re: BLI 6000 Tank Cars

Jeffrey White
 

Please reply off list to jrwhiteATmidwest.net

Just realized I left that out.

On 3/13/2019 11:04 AM, Jeffrey White wrote:
I preorderd the 4 pack that had the Monsanto car.  Trainworld just called and said the order was in and they were going to ship.

Does anyone here want any of these cars?

Elect. Bleach. Gas #193

Niag. Smelt. #1001

South. Alkali #634

I'm willing to trade for Hooker or UTLX.

Jeff White

Alma, IL




Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben

I remember that one - my Dad built many Ambroid and Quality Craft kits when
I was a teen. Imagine my distress when I found out that he sold them all in the late
1980's when he decided to "get out of the hobby". He sold his books too - bound
volumes of every Trains and Model Railroader up through the 1960's, and a dozen
builder cyclopedias... He regretted it, and later re-stocked up on kits (that I inherited)
but he never built another model! :-(

Tim O'

On 3/13/2019 10:07 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Ambroid PRR Class R7 reefer ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Ben, et al.,
 
Does anyone know the number for this 1 of 5000 series kit?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 10:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
 
Ambroid PRR Class R7 reefer ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Lester Breuer
 

I have several metal Varney metal reefers in service on the Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company with the Swift Refrigerator being one rolling with the resin and plastic. BTW the Swift reefers were available with several numbers.  
Lester Breuer


Re: NKP Consist

Brian Carlson
 

I'll try to respond to several questions in one email. 

Schuyler the interchange point is column E. The Empty Erie Auto boxcars came off at Lima.  Much of the Train would be interchanged at Buffalo. The MB-98 was due in Buffalo by 11:30 am every day. Anything that made it to Buffalo for the Erie would be sent to East Buffalo. 

 I am not familiar with the numbers in the 1st column. Station number of the origin points sound right. I need to look these up. (I have the resource "Someplace") 

MB-98 was a fast freight so the low number of empty's is not surprising. The 4 Erie boxcars were probably in Auto Parts. What is interesting is the large block being dropped at Lima for the Erie. Included in the block are several cars going to Buffalo and points east that could have been routed over the NKP to Buffalo. This shows the shipper controlled the routing. 

I'm really interested in ARLX 1225 for Warren PA. This car is not going to Buffalo (0) it's going to 87 I need to look this up. The likely place is Erie but a second class train would be unlikely to stop there to drop one car.

I will be turning the consist into a short article for the NKPHTS so I am saving all the replies for future use. I may also look at modeling all the cars for the NKPHTS Modelers Notebook, our online Ezine. (I am not even an NKP modeler but I like freight cars.) 

Brian J Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY 


Re: NKP Consist

Jerome (Jerry) Albin
 

List,
 Wilson & Co.(United Products and Organic Chemicals Div.) had a gelatin plant on the border of Calumet City, ILL and Hammond, IN. It received pigskins, at one point, in refrigerator cars and produced, of course, gelatin, #1 & #2 pigskin grease and “pigskins”. The plant was switched by the IHB. The plant is still there and has changed hands 2 or 3 times and still produces the above products and some new ones. Eastman Kodak, Swift & co. and others also had gelatin plants using pigskins as raw material.  Regards...Jerry Albin 


Re: AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

Richard Townsend
 

Oh, by the way it's solid bottom. No drop doors.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...>
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

I was going through my junk box this morning and came a cross an AHM 40-foot, eight-panel gondola. It got me wondering: is there a prototype for this car? A quick look through several Carbuilder Cycs came up with plenty of nine-panel cars, but no eights. Any suggestions?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

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AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

Richard Townsend
 

I was going through my junk box this morning and came a cross an AHM 40-foot, eight-panel gondola. It got me wondering: is there a prototype for this car? A quick look through several Carbuilder Cycs came up with plenty of nine-panel cars, but no eights. Any suggestions?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

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Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Gary Ray
 

Eric,

Great job for an 11 year old (or anyone)!  Has held up well over the years.

Gary Ray

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 9:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

 

Hello Everyone,

I have enjoyed the memories on this thread! My first model, 1953, was plastic SFRD reefer. As I recall, a yellow and black body shell, underframe, and trucks. Not difficult for a 10-year-old. My father, in Korea, had suggested we start thinking about a model RR. The nest year, the family together in Japan, my first scratch build: a Jack Armstrong (have I got that right?) strathmoor freight house from plans in MR. The reefer is gone, but the freight house endures and here is this morning's photo. The finish shows the strong influence of John Allen on this beginner and look at all those hand laid shingles!! 

 

Eric Lombard


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Re: Missouri Pacific 50-foot SS DD: Modeling from MDC

mopacfirst
 

Those are really good detail shots, especially showing the two-level Dalman trucks.  Those weren't available when this car first appeared, and maybe I didn't notice the difference, but I used the Roundhouse truck on this and a few other cars of similar era because it had the sort of roundness to the sideframe that some of these older trucks had.  I also notice these are drop grabs on the end right and side left corners, not sure what's on mine.
Regarding the wood doors, I will note this car was repacked at Lesperance St. (MP in St. Louis) 3-45.

Ron Merrick


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Eric Lombard
 

Hello Everyone,
I have enjoyed the memories on this thread! My first model, 1953, was plastic SFRD reefer. As I recall, a yellow and black body shell, underframe, and trucks. Not difficult for a 10-year-old. My father, in Korea, had suggested we start thinking about a model RR. The nest year, the family together in Japan, my first scratch build: a Jack Armstrong (have I got that right?) strathmoor freight house from plans in MR. The reefer is gone, but the freight house endures and here is this morning's photo. The finish shows the strong influence of John Allen on this beginner and look at all those hand laid shingles!! 
 
Eric Lombard


Re: NKP Consist

William Hirt
 

Lenny,

Here is the excerpt from National Perishable Protective Tariff #11 from 1941 about salting normal refrigerator cars:

(F) Shipper must specify in writing on shipping order and bill
of lading salting service desired, as provided in this rule,
using the appropriate, "Shipper's Instructions" as shown
below, and Agent must waybill accordingly:
(a) Salt Service with Standard Refrigeration Service:
1-"...% salt supplied with initial icing. No further
salting."
2-". . .%salt supplied with initial icing. Supply %
salt at all regular icing stations."
3-"...% salt supplied with initial icing. Supply same
percentage salt at (Specify regular icing station).
No further salting."
4- "Supply . . .% salt at (Insert first reicing station)
on basis bunker capacity of car and at all reicing stations
thereafter ... % salt on basis amount ice supplied . '
5-"No salt supplied with initial icing. Supply. . .% salt
at (Specify regular icing station) on basis bunker
capacity of car. No further salting."
6-"No salt supplied with initial icing. Supply. . .% salt
at (Specify regular icing station) on basis bunker capacity
of car and at (Specify regular icing station) on basis
amount ice supplied. No further salting."
7-"100 pounds salt supplied with initial icing. Supply
pounds (Specify 75 lbs. or less) of salt at each
regular icing station in transit."
Exception.—Not applicable on traffic covered by
paragraph G-9.
8-"No salt supplied with initial icing. Supply 100 pounds
salt at (Specify regular icing station) and pounds
(Specify 75 lbs. or less) of salt at each regular icing
station in transit."
Exception.—Not applicable on traffic covered by
paragraph G-9.
9-Applies only as provided in sub-paragraph 9 of paragraph
G.—"Supply. . . .pounds of salt at origin and. . . .
pounds at all regular icing stations."
Note.—-One of instructions provided above for supplying
salt on basis of percentage of ice supplied
may be given in addition to this instruction.
10-Applies only as provided in sub-paragraph 9 of paragraph
G.—"Supply. . . .pounds of salt at
(Specify origin and /or one or more regular icing stations
and quantity} of salt to be supplied at each)."
Note.—One of instructions provided above for supplying
salt on basis of percentage of ice supplied
may be given in addition to this instruction.

So it seems like the shipper specified the amount of salt as there was a charge for salt each time it was done. Is this different than when you worked for Western Fruit Express?

Bill Hirt

On 3/13/2019 9:44 AM, Walter wrote:
National Perishable Protective Tariff


BLI 6000 Tank Cars

Jeffrey White
 

I preorderd the 4 pack that had the Monsanto car.  Trainworld just called and said the order was in and they were going to ship.

Does anyone here want any of these cars?

Elect. Bleach. Gas #193

Niag. Smelt. #1001

South. Alkali #634

I'm willing to trade for Hooker or UTLX.

Jeff White

Alma, IL


Re: modeling a crane question

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Doug,

There may have been a discussion here about allowing cranes and such here as Jack references, but I don’t recall it.

That doesn’t mean a darn thing as I don’t recall what I had for breakfast…… or if I had breakfast.

But, as usual, I do have an opinion. Of course, if there has been a hard rule made against it, I stand very much corrected.

To my way of thinking, MOW equipment should be included here. Yes, they are not revenue producing freight cars, but they are carriers of freight necessary for to the railroad’s operation.

Nit-pickers beware; I can get my back up and raise cane (My hurricane that is) if I hear all about the used passenger cars in company service or how a caboose doesn’t haul freight. Well, in MOW service, many a caboose did haul freight and, back in the day, I’d dare you to show me a freight train that did not need a caboose on it.

Besides I love rr cranes. And that’s my two cents, which is likely more than it’s worth.

John Hagen

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 9:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] modeling a crane question

 

I have a few questions as to modeling a railroad crane/wrecker but I wanted to first make sure that this topic is appropriate for this group as its now a freight car per se.  Would someone give me a thumbs up or thumbs down before I proceed with my questions?


Re: Missouri Pacific 50-foot SS DD: Modeling from MDC

Bill Welch
 

No, it is in a storage box but it looks exactly like the two photos

Bill Welch


Re: NKP Consist

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Jack,

Binghamton was home to Endicott-Johnson, a shoe manufacturing company that employed about 25,000 people at its height and consumed tons of hides.  The Erie RR tracks through neighboring Johnson City and Endicott were lined with E-J factory buildings, and even today in that area, any name that has 'E' and 'J' in it probably was associated with the company, e.g., the EnJoy Country Club.  Ever heard of Ena-Jetic Shoes?  That was an E-J brand.

There's lots more to the E-J story.  George F. Johnson, E-J's leader for many years, had a policy of respecting people, which helped grow the company and the region.  His "Square Deal" (a fair day's pay for a fair day's work) helped FDR create his "New Deal", and many of Johnson's ethics and policies were adopted by IBM's Thomas J. Watson Sr.  E-J workers who came from all over Europe would send money to their families back home so they could come to Binghamton and get jobs at E-J.  Immigrant families would arrive in New York and the only English they know was "Which way E-J?"  The Binghamton area today is still shows much more hospitality and respect to people than any other area in the Northeastern U.S. that I have experienced, and one's ethnic and cultural background is to be celebrated rather than be a reason to compete.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

I got my start in model railroading with Varney plastic kits.  Sometime in the early 1950s KIX cereal offered Varney kits with a box top and some token amount of money.  As I recall now, I started with an undecorated unpowered F-unit a couple of box cars and some hopper cars.  Varney's plastic covered hopper was just a "lid" on the open-top, two-bay hopper.  I believe I still have all those cars and the locomotive.
Gene Green 


RPCYC

Jerry Michels
 

If anyone is interested, we have a few duplicate issues for sale

Jerry Michels


Re: NKP Consist

Walter
 

Someone thought the percentages shown in the right column for the two cars was for
weight limit. The tonnage column shows 55 and 45 tons. If someone has a copy of the National Perishable Protective Tariff for that time frame, I would be curious as to how much salt was specified. The citrus fruit has 3 or 4 percent salt added if I recall.

Lenny Ohrnell


Re: modeling a crane question

Jack Burgess
 

I seem to recall that we concluded earlier and M of W and cabooses were okay. But someone else might remember differently…

 

Jack

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 7:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] modeling a crane question

 

I have a few questions as to modeling a railroad crane/wrecker but I wanted to first make sure that this topic is appropriate for this group as its now a freight car per se.  Would someone give me a thumbs up or thumbs down before I proceed with my questions?

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