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Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Lee Thwaits
 

My first kits were Varney wood & cardboard & Mantua metal.  When did Varney switch to metal?  Does this tell about my age?

Lee Thwaits


Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Benjamin Hom
 

Ralph Brown asked:
"Does anyone know the number for this 1 of 5000 series kit?"

No. 5.


Ben Hom


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

G.J. Irwin
 

My late father had at least the ART refrigerator car.  It was cool-- literally-- to pick up that car versus the plastic ones.  Once I find it, I'm keeping it!

George Irwin


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Michael Gross
 

That’s a sweet-looking freight house, even by today’s standards!

Michael Gross
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Re: modeling a crane question

spsalso
 

The search term "crane" produced 457 results.  Among them, some as wreck cranes.

Get on with it!


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: modeling a crane question

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

We long ago declared cabooses and MW equipment as valid for discussion, but maybe that was back on the old STMFC. I have a hard time remembering that far back myself, but since I usually eat Cheerios I can remember my breakfast. We also agreed that express boxcars, express reefers and milk cars were also allowed. I can't remember if drovers' cars have ever been discussed, but they are probably o.k. as well. After all, we've spent a great amount of bandwidth on poultry cars, including the attendant's space. That attendant
was just a chicken drover, of a sort.

I would have no problem with passenger cars converted to MW service. That's probably not likely to come up often anyway.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 3/13/19 12:01 PM, John Hagen via Groups.Io wrote:

Doug,

There may have been a discussion here about allowing cranes and such here as Jack references, but I don’t recall it.

That doesn’t mean a darn thing as I don’t recall what I had for breakfast…… or if I had breakfast.

But, as usual, I do have an opinion. Of course, if there has been a hard rule made against it, I stand very much corrected.

To my way of thinking, MOW equipment should be included here. Yes, they are not revenue producing freight cars, but they are carriers of freight necessary for to the railroad’s operation.

Nit-pickers beware; I can get my back up and raise cane (My hurricane that is) if I hear all about the used passenger cars in company service or how a caboose doesn’t haul freight. Well, in MOW service, many a caboose did haul freight and, back in the day, I’d dare you to show me a freight train that did not need a caboose on it.

Besides I love rr cranes. And that’s my two cents, which is likely more than it’s worth.

John Hagen

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 9:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] modeling a crane question

 

I have a few questions as to modeling a railroad crane/wrecker but I wanted to first make sure that this topic is appropriate for this group as its now a freight car per se.  Would someone give me a thumbs up or thumbs down before I proceed with my questions?



Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

CJ Riley
 


I think you meant Jack Work. He wasn't the all American boy.


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Mar 13, 2019, at 8:02 AM, Gene Green via Groups.Io wrote:

I got my start in model railroading with Varney plastic kits.
I started a few months after the Tidewater Central artickles[sic][0] appeared in Model Railroader, building my own version, using all the products[1] named in the artickles[0]. Eventually I lost, in the course of several back-to-back-to-backs moves-of-quarters, my Varney Old Lady and Casey Jones, and my Tyco Big-Six, all of which ran like the proverbial Swiss watch[2]. Several years passed during which I graduated from Ready-to-Ruin to building either from craftsman kits (Gould/Tichy tank & flat, for example) or from scratch (a few of the Jack Work freight fleet, but not the business car[3]).

Later, when the offspring was nearing adolescence and had begun to exhibit some responsibility, I built another on L-girders with Homasote™ spline roadbed, hydrocal-over-paper-towel-over-cardboard-web scenery, flex-track, Atlas snap-switches,and a reasonably-sophisticated MRC power pack on which we ran much Blue-box equipment. We had a Black-Widow GP-9, and another with a custom-painted shell representing SP 3010 as it looked as Caltrain 3187.

[0] Model Railroading is always a tickle, no matter how difficult or frustrating
[1] Tru-Scale™ milled roadbed, whatever power pack was listed, same cars, window screen, ...
[2] Rebuilt the Varneys and built the Tyco with lots of moly disulphide powder in oil in the bearings, burnished thoroughly, then run-in upside down, then re-powdered and run in some more,... Motorless they'd roll almost as easily as properly-weighted cars with Delrin™ trucks; if I still had 'em, I'd swap-in can motors and add decoders...
[3] that's on the horizon for N-scale, or if the offspring[4] agrees even for 1:8 for a few nearby outdoor clubs, resources permitting
[4] He and Jack Benny have something in common, and it's not tightwaddedness
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Re: BLI 6000 Tank Cars

Jeffrey White
 

Please reply off list to jrwhiteATmidwest.net

Just realized I left that out.

On 3/13/2019 11:04 AM, Jeffrey White wrote:
I preorderd the 4 pack that had the Monsanto car.  Trainworld just called and said the order was in and they were going to ship.

Does anyone here want any of these cars?

Elect. Bleach. Gas #193

Niag. Smelt. #1001

South. Alkali #634

I'm willing to trade for Hooker or UTLX.

Jeff White

Alma, IL




Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben

I remember that one - my Dad built many Ambroid and Quality Craft kits when
I was a teen. Imagine my distress when I found out that he sold them all in the late
1980's when he decided to "get out of the hobby". He sold his books too - bound
volumes of every Trains and Model Railroader up through the 1960's, and a dozen
builder cyclopedias... He regretted it, and later re-stocked up on kits (that I inherited)
but he never built another model! :-(

Tim O'

On 3/13/2019 10:07 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Ambroid PRR Class R7 reefer ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom

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Tim O'Connor
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Ben, et al.,
 
Does anyone know the number for this 1 of 5000 series kit?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 10:07 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
 
Ambroid PRR Class R7 reefer ad, February 1959 issue of Model Railroader.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Lester Breuer
 

I have several metal Varney metal reefers in service on the Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company with the Swift Refrigerator being one rolling with the resin and plastic. BTW the Swift reefers were available with several numbers.  
Lester Breuer


Re: NKP Consist

Brian Carlson
 

I'll try to respond to several questions in one email. 

Schuyler the interchange point is column E. The Empty Erie Auto boxcars came off at Lima.  Much of the Train would be interchanged at Buffalo. The MB-98 was due in Buffalo by 11:30 am every day. Anything that made it to Buffalo for the Erie would be sent to East Buffalo. 

 I am not familiar with the numbers in the 1st column. Station number of the origin points sound right. I need to look these up. (I have the resource "Someplace") 

MB-98 was a fast freight so the low number of empty's is not surprising. The 4 Erie boxcars were probably in Auto Parts. What is interesting is the large block being dropped at Lima for the Erie. Included in the block are several cars going to Buffalo and points east that could have been routed over the NKP to Buffalo. This shows the shipper controlled the routing. 

I'm really interested in ARLX 1225 for Warren PA. This car is not going to Buffalo (0) it's going to 87 I need to look this up. The likely place is Erie but a second class train would be unlikely to stop there to drop one car.

I will be turning the consist into a short article for the NKPHTS so I am saving all the replies for future use. I may also look at modeling all the cars for the NKPHTS Modelers Notebook, our online Ezine. (I am not even an NKP modeler but I like freight cars.) 

Brian J Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY 


Re: NKP Consist

Jerome (Jerry) Albin
 

List,
 Wilson & Co.(United Products and Organic Chemicals Div.) had a gelatin plant on the border of Calumet City, ILL and Hammond, IN. It received pigskins, at one point, in refrigerator cars and produced, of course, gelatin, #1 & #2 pigskin grease and “pigskins”. The plant was switched by the IHB. The plant is still there and has changed hands 2 or 3 times and still produces the above products and some new ones. Eastman Kodak, Swift & co. and others also had gelatin plants using pigskins as raw material.  Regards...Jerry Albin 


Re: AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

Richard Townsend
 

Oh, by the way it's solid bottom. No drop doors.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Mar 13, 2019 10:24 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

I was going through my junk box this morning and came a cross an AHM 40-foot, eight-panel gondola. It got me wondering: is there a prototype for this car? A quick look through several Carbuilder Cycs came up with plenty of nine-panel cars, but no eights. Any suggestions?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

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AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

Richard Townsend
 

I was going through my junk box this morning and came a cross an AHM 40-foot, eight-panel gondola. It got me wondering: is there a prototype for this car? A quick look through several Carbuilder Cycs came up with plenty of nine-panel cars, but no eights. Any suggestions?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

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Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Gary Ray
 

Eric,

Great job for an 11 year old (or anyone)!  Has held up well over the years.

Gary Ray

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 9:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

 

Hello Everyone,

I have enjoyed the memories on this thread! My first model, 1953, was plastic SFRD reefer. As I recall, a yellow and black body shell, underframe, and trucks. Not difficult for a 10-year-old. My father, in Korea, had suggested we start thinking about a model RR. The nest year, the family together in Japan, my first scratch build: a Jack Armstrong (have I got that right?) strathmoor freight house from plans in MR. The reefer is gone, but the freight house endures and here is this morning's photo. The finish shows the strong influence of John Allen on this beginner and look at all those hand laid shingles!! 

 

Eric Lombard


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Re: Missouri Pacific 50-foot SS DD: Modeling from MDC

mopacfirst
 

Those are really good detail shots, especially showing the two-level Dalman trucks.  Those weren't available when this car first appeared, and maybe I didn't notice the difference, but I used the Roundhouse truck on this and a few other cars of similar era because it had the sort of roundness to the sideframe that some of these older trucks had.  I also notice these are drop grabs on the end right and side left corners, not sure what's on mine.
Regarding the wood doors, I will note this car was repacked at Lesperance St. (MP in St. Louis) 3-45.

Ron Merrick


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

Eric Lombard
 

Hello Everyone,
I have enjoyed the memories on this thread! My first model, 1953, was plastic SFRD reefer. As I recall, a yellow and black body shell, underframe, and trucks. Not difficult for a 10-year-old. My father, in Korea, had suggested we start thinking about a model RR. The nest year, the family together in Japan, my first scratch build: a Jack Armstrong (have I got that right?) strathmoor freight house from plans in MR. The reefer is gone, but the freight house endures and here is this morning's photo. The finish shows the strong influence of John Allen on this beginner and look at all those hand laid shingles!! 
 
Eric Lombard


Re: NKP Consist

William Hirt
 

Lenny,

Here is the excerpt from National Perishable Protective Tariff #11 from 1941 about salting normal refrigerator cars:

(F) Shipper must specify in writing on shipping order and bill
of lading salting service desired, as provided in this rule,
using the appropriate, "Shipper's Instructions" as shown
below, and Agent must waybill accordingly:
(a) Salt Service with Standard Refrigeration Service:
1-"...% salt supplied with initial icing. No further
salting."
2-". . .%salt supplied with initial icing. Supply %
salt at all regular icing stations."
3-"...% salt supplied with initial icing. Supply same
percentage salt at (Specify regular icing station).
No further salting."
4- "Supply . . .% salt at (Insert first reicing station)
on basis bunker capacity of car and at all reicing stations
thereafter ... % salt on basis amount ice supplied . '
5-"No salt supplied with initial icing. Supply. . .% salt
at (Specify regular icing station) on basis bunker
capacity of car. No further salting."
6-"No salt supplied with initial icing. Supply. . .% salt
at (Specify regular icing station) on basis bunker capacity
of car and at (Specify regular icing station) on basis
amount ice supplied. No further salting."
7-"100 pounds salt supplied with initial icing. Supply
pounds (Specify 75 lbs. or less) of salt at each
regular icing station in transit."
Exception.—Not applicable on traffic covered by
paragraph G-9.
8-"No salt supplied with initial icing. Supply 100 pounds
salt at (Specify regular icing station) and pounds
(Specify 75 lbs. or less) of salt at each regular icing
station in transit."
Exception.—Not applicable on traffic covered by
paragraph G-9.
9-Applies only as provided in sub-paragraph 9 of paragraph
G.—"Supply. . . .pounds of salt at origin and. . . .
pounds at all regular icing stations."
Note.—-One of instructions provided above for supplying
salt on basis of percentage of ice supplied
may be given in addition to this instruction.
10-Applies only as provided in sub-paragraph 9 of paragraph
G.—"Supply. . . .pounds of salt at
(Specify origin and /or one or more regular icing stations
and quantity} of salt to be supplied at each)."
Note.—One of instructions provided above for supplying
salt on basis of percentage of ice supplied
may be given in addition to this instruction.

So it seems like the shipper specified the amount of salt as there was a charge for salt each time it was done. Is this different than when you worked for Western Fruit Express?

Bill Hirt

On 3/13/2019 9:44 AM, Walter wrote:
National Perishable Protective Tariff

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