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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Ralph W. Brown
 

Thanks, Ben.
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer
 
Ralph Brown asked:
"Does anyone know the number for this 1 of 5000 series kit?"
 
No. 5.
 
 
Ben Hom
Re: modeling a crane question

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

This crane was built by Browning Engineering Company in 1911 as Illinois Traction 830.  Capacity was 43,500 pounds- less than 22 tons. It later became Illinois Terminal 01, as is obvious from the photographs.

The Tichy crane is a 120-tonner and much too large in all dimensions. so that it would be nearly useless as a starting point for a model. 

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Forbes <dforbes@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Mar 13, 2019 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] modeling a crane question

The Illinois Traction had an electric wrecking crane that was used both for wreck jobs as well as digging coal out of the two underwater coal storage pits they had built.  I'm looking for recommendations as to how to model such a thing.  I have looked at commercially available kits.  It seems like the Tichy crane frame might work but that a new cab and boom will need to be scratch built or 3D printed or something.  Thoughts?  Still not sure how one would manage a metal crane boom with an overhead powered wire directly above, seems like an electrifying challenge...



This is from the Illinois Terminal Facebook page. 


From 1916.
Re: NKP Consist

Douglas Harding
 

ARLX 1225 contains PHP, packing house products, with a note DNI, which I think stands for Do Not Ice. PHP could be meat, meat by-products, meat scraps, canned meat, organs, items destined for human consumption or items destined for non-edible. The DNI could mean the load did not need cooling or that had sufficient ice to get to its destination and the shipper did not want to pay for unnecessary ice.

Nice photo of an Armour Steel sided reefer 1900, which may be the same series, on Tony’s blog http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/05/modeling-meat-reefers-armour-steel-cars.html

 

Intermountain did an HO model lettered for ARLX 1225 https://www.walthers.com/r-40-23-steel-ice-reefer-ready-to-run-armour-arlx-yellow-boxcar-red-red

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP Consist

 

I'll try to respond to several questions in one email. 

Schuyler the interchange point is column E. The Empty Erie Auto boxcars came off at Lima.  Much of the Train would be interchanged at Buffalo. The MB-98 was due in Buffalo by 11:30 am every day. Anything that made it to Buffalo for the Erie would be sent to East Buffalo. 

 I am not familiar with the numbers in the 1st column. Station number of the origin points sound right. I need to look these up. (I have the resource "Someplace") 

MB-98 was a fast freight so the low number of empty's is not surprising. The 4 Erie boxcars were probably in Auto Parts. What is interesting is the large block being dropped at Lima for the Erie. Included in the block are several cars going to Buffalo and points east that could have been routed over the NKP to Buffalo. This shows the shipper controlled the routing. 

I'm really interested in ARLX 1225 for Warren PA. This car is not going to Buffalo (0) it's going to 87 I need to look this up. The likely place is Erie but a second class train would be unlikely to stop there to drop one car.

I will be turning the consist into a short article for the NKPHTS so I am saving all the replies for future use. I may also look at modeling all the cars for the NKPHTS Modelers Notebook, our online Ezine. (I am not even an NKP modeler but I like freight cars.) 

Brian J Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY 

Re: NKP Consist

William Hirt
 

On 3/13/2019 12:41 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
I am not familiar with the numbers in the 1st column. Station number of the origin points sound right. I need to look these up. (I have the resource "Someplace")
If you can not find it, I downloaded the PDF file from NKP Historical Society site today. The station numbers are in a booklet called Officers, Agents, Stations etc 1951.


I'm really interested in ARLX 1225 for Warren PA. This car is not going to Buffalo (0) it's going to 87 I need to look this up. The likely place is Erie but a second class train would be unlikely to stop there to drop one car.
87 is shown to be Erie PA. Would it not be too surprising this train stopped at Bellevue, Ohio, the main NKP system yard, to be re-blocked or combined with a train originating from Chicago? There then could be a whole block for Erie then.

The Sanborn maps show a Armour branch house on the NYC in Warren, PA.

Bill Hirt
Re: AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

Jeffrey White
 

IC 97250 and 97251 rebuilt at Centralia in 1950 to carry calcium carbide containers. 3 more cars, 97252 -  97254 rebuilt in 1952 and 7 more, 97255 - 97262 in 1953.  There were 763 without the provisions for the containers,  97263-97999. rebuilt at Centralia in 1950.  The diagram sheet says they were rebuilt from various cars. The original cars were numbered 203700-205839 from various builders in 1923.  They were rebuilt the first time at McComb, MS in 1943 and numbered 89000-89999.  These are low side gons (3' 5 1/2" from the floor to the top)  but they are 8 panel gons.  Still on the roster in 1960. 

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 3/13/2019 4:50 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Richard Townsend asked: 
"I was going through my junk box this morning and came a cross an AHM 40-foot, eight-panel gondola. It got me wondering: is there a prototype for this car? A quick look through several Carbuilder Cycs came up with plenty of nine-panel cars, but no eights. Any suggestions? Oh, by the way it's solid bottom. No drop doors."

Bill Welch wrote:
"Hard to tell w/o a photo of the model..."

Photo attached - this is one of the most common models out there, originally introduced by Varney during their switch to styrene, copied by Rivarossi and Cox, and later offered by Walthers, Life-Like, and Bachmann.  It's a plausible model - it's not outlandish like the Athearn 50 ft gon, but the problem is it doesn't match any known prototype.

However, it's so common that I'm considering using it for a bunch of ersatz "Tan Dot" SP gons as I have more than a few on hand, saving the Red Caboose and Detail Associates models for foreground models.  Here's Jason Hill's approach on doing this:


Ben Hom
Re: Missouri Pacific 50-foot SS DD: Modeling from MDC

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

     Somewhere around here, Fenton, I've got an MDC MoPac car that has been modified to look more like that
in the two photos; i.e. the side sills have been trimmed, details of the end door closing mechanism improved and 
grabs replaced with wire, etc. It did not take a lot of time and really looks quite convincing. I'll see if it can be found
this weekend and also post a photo to give you a comparison of two different modified MDC cars. Certainly one of
MDC's more worthwhile offerings. I have the T&P and W.P. cars still to do and at least one other as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine
Re: NKP Consist

Jack Mullen
 

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:41 AM, Brian Carlson wrote:
I'm really interested in ARLX 1225 for Warren PA. This car is not going to Buffalo (0) it's going to 87 I need to look this up. The likely place is Erie but a second class train would be unlikely to stop there to drop one car.
Yeah, the 9 cars at the bottom of the consist (presumably head end) are a bit puzzling to me. The 7xxx station numbers are W&LE destinations, so I suppose will be dropped at Bellevue, or maybe Lorain - I haven't looked at where they go on the Wheeling. That leaves shorts for 184 Cleveland, 102 Wallace Jct/ BLE, and 87 Erie / PRR. Like you, I don't think a thru freight is going to be making individual setouts, so I'm guessing they get dropped somewhere to go on a local. I know zilch about NKP ops, so hopefully this will provoke somebody with better knowledge to chime in.

Jack
Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

al_westerfield
 

When I started moving in manufacturer circles, I found that Ambroid never sold 5,000 of any of these kits.  However, the fact that they were limited run meant that they sold more of them than most of their regular line. – Al Westerfield

 

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From: Tom Madden via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 2:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

 

Here's a link to a useful listing of all the Ambroid 1 of 5000 kits:
http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/trains/woodkits/Ambroid_5-Cars.htm

I lusted after them and bought each as they were released. Built all of the first series but gave up buying them after #4 of the second series as it seemed they were really reaching for prototypes. Plus I was deeply into Colorado narrow gauge by then and ended up selling all my '50s era standard gauge models and kits except for my first locomotive, a Mantua Shifter 0-4-0. Still have it. Also still have a small drawer full of Mantua and Comet paper freight car sides. Mostly reefers.

Like many modelers of the time I was greatly influenced by John Allen's articles and Varney ads. Hard to believe he's been gone for over 46 years. I know in some circles his work is no longer greeted with acclaim because he wasn't a prototype modeler and, like Malcolm Furlow's modeling, it seems to lean heavily towards caricature. But the G&D seemed credible and real to me at the time.....

Tom Madden

 
Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom

Thanks for the great web page link! I now see that my Dad built the whole series #1 except
for the caboose and the stock car.

I was crazy about John Allen as a teen. Not just his modeling, but because his railroad was a business.
He created a narrative to explain the operations and the trains served a purpose. That was a revelation
on a par with the Delta Lines. I know my Dad was deeply influenced by the Delta Lines and I still have
his elaborate layout plans for a never-built layout he drew based on Frank Ellison's work to fit our basement.

Tim O'

On 3/13/2019 5:09 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io wrote:

Here's a link to a useful listing of all the Ambroid 1 of 5000 kits:
http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/trains/woodkits/Ambroid_5-Cars.htm

I lusted after them and bought each as they were released. Built all of the first series but gave up buying them after #4 of the second series as it seemed they were really reaching for prototypes. Plus I was deeply into Colorado narrow gauge by then and ended up selling all my '50s era standard gauge models and kits except for my first locomotive, a Mantua Shifter 0-4-0. Still have it. Also still have a small drawer full of Mantua and Comet paper freight car sides. Mostly reefers.

Like many modelers of the time I was greatly influenced by John Allen's articles and Varney ads. Hard to believe he's been gone for over 46 years. I know in some circles his work is no longer greeted with acclaim because he wasn't a prototype modeler and, like Malcolm Furlow's modeling, it seems to lean heavily towards caricature. But the G&D seemed credible and real to me at the time.....

Tom Madden
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*
Re: Type Of Brake Wheels?

John Sykes III
 

Kadee???

LMAO -- John
Re: Private Name SS Box Car 1536

Tom Larsen
 

Thank you for a very informative blog post.
Nice looking car by the way.
Not being able to determine from the photos but do you “just” glue wire across the rungs for ladders or do you drill the rungs and bend the wire to form the ladder steps?
 
Tom Larsen
Holte, Denmark
 
 

From: Lester Breuer
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 2:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Private Name SS Box Car 1536
 
I finished converting a plastic single-sheathed  box car incorrect for the Soo Line box car it was lettered for into a private name home road box car.   The writeup includes a few tips on lettering removal, milling running boards, and weathering.  Photos and writeup of building and finishing  Minneapolis & Northland SS Box Car 1536 are now on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:
 
http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/
 
Lester Breuer

 
Re: AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Townsend asked: 
"I was going through my junk box this morning and came a cross an AHM 40-foot, eight-panel gondola. It got me wondering: is there a prototype for this car? A quick look through several Carbuilder Cycs came up with plenty of nine-panel cars, but no eights. Any suggestions? Oh, by the way it's solid bottom. No drop doors."

Bill Welch wrote:
"Hard to tell w/o a photo of the model..."

Photo attached - this is one of the most common models out there, originally introduced by Varney during their switch to styrene, copied by Rivarossi and Cox, and later offered by Walthers, Life-Like, and Bachmann.  It's a plausible model - it's not outlandish like the Athearn 50 ft gon, but the problem is it doesn't match any known prototype.

However, it's so common that I'm considering using it for a bunch of ersatz "Tan Dot" SP gons as I have more than a few on hand, saving the Red Caboose and Detail Associates models for foreground models.  Here's Jason Hill's approach on doing this:


Ben Hom
Re: modeling a crane question

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Doug,

Looking at the center photo there something, probably a 2X4 or 4X6, across the top of that “hump” in the boom. While a hunk of wood there would not prevent the boom from touching the overhead, it would insulate it.

John Hagen

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 3:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] modeling a crane question

 

The Illinois Traction had an electric wrecking crane that was used both for wreck jobs as well as digging coal out of the two underwater coal storage pits they had built.  I'm looking for recommendations as to how to model such a thing.  I have looked at commercially available kits.  It seems like the Tichy crane frame might work but that a new cab and boom will need to be scratch built or 3D printed or something.  Thoughts?  Still not sure how one would manage a metal crane boom with an overhead powered wire directly above, seems like an electrifying challenge...



This is from the Illinois Terminal Facebook page. 


From 1916.
Re: WTB: Resin Car Works 11.01 GN Wood-Sheathed Boxcar

Brian LaManna
 

List,

I found the RCW GN boxcar I was searching for -- thanks to the members who contacted me to help.

Cheers!

Brian LaManna/Moncton

From: Brian LaManna
Sent: March 12, 2019 1:07 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: WTB: Resin Car Works 11.01 GN Wood-Sheathed Boxcar
 
List,

I was asleep at the wheel and missed out on the recently offered Resin Car Works #11.0 Great Northern Mid-century wood-sheathed boxcar.  If anyone has a kit they're willing to part with, please contact me OFFLIST at:  brianlamannaAThotmail.com with details.  

Thank you,

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB
Re: AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

Bill Welch
 

Hard to tell w/o a photo of the model but the L&N owned 10,000 8-panel 7-rib cars, NC&StL 1.150,  and Southern 4,450 cars, all kited by Sunshine. These are high side gons for coal, etc.

Bill Welch
Re: modeling a crane question

Andy Jackson
 

Funny thing is, if cabooses, cranes, MOW equipment, etc. weren't around regular freight cars would have a VERY HARD TIME MOVING! So yes they definitely need to be discussed here.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA
Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid PRR Class R7 Reefer

Tom Madden
 

Here's a link to a useful listing of all the Ambroid 1 of 5000 kits:
http://www.trainweb.org/ambroidkits/trains/woodkits/Ambroid_5-Cars.htm

I lusted after them and bought each as they were released. Built all of the first series but gave up buying them after #4 of the second series as it seemed they were really reaching for prototypes. Plus I was deeply into Colorado narrow gauge by then and ended up selling all my '50s era standard gauge models and kits except for my first locomotive, a Mantua Shifter 0-4-0. Still have it. Also still have a small drawer full of Mantua and Comet paper freight car sides. Mostly reefers.

Like many modelers of the time I was greatly influenced by John Allen's articles and Varney ads. Hard to believe he's been gone for over 46 years. I know in some circles his work is no longer greeted with acclaim because he wasn't a prototype modeler and, like Malcolm Furlow's modeling, it seems to lean heavily towards caricature. But the G&D seemed credible and real to me at the time.....

Tom Madden
Re: Type Of Brake Wheels?

Richard Townsend
 

I don't know about the brake wheels, but I sure like the granite curbstones on the flat car in the background of the second photo.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Mar 13, 2019 1:17 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Type Of Brake Wheels?

I may have missed an earlier answer to this (sorry) but what type of brake wheels are these?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: modeling a crane question

Doug Forbes
 

The Illinois Traction had an electric wrecking crane that was used both for wreck jobs as well as digging coal out of the two underwater coal storage pits they had built.  I'm looking for recommendations as to how to model such a thing.  I have looked at commercially available kits.  It seems like the Tichy crane frame might work but that a new cab and boom will need to be scratch built or 3D printed or something.  Thoughts?  Still not sure how one would manage a metal crane boom with an overhead powered wire directly above, seems like an electrifying challenge...



This is from the Illinois Terminal Facebook page. 


From 1916.
Type Of Brake Wheels?

Bob Chaparro
 

I may have missed an earlier answer to this (sorry) but what type of brake wheels are these?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-01-19/X5988.jpg

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-01-19/X5987.jpg (Roof leak likely.)

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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