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Re: PRR Flatcar

Benjamin Hom
 

In fact, all three cars are Class FM.


Ben Hom

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎March‎ ‎16‎, ‎2019‎ ‎09‎:‎04‎:‎20‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Bob Chaparro asked:
"Can anyone provide more information about this flatcar?
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-18/X5846.jpg  
It seems to have quite a load capacity although the trucks do not appear to be heavy duty."

PRR 925340, from PRR 925003 - 925521, Class FM.  The most numerous class of PRR flat car, with over 3,600 cars built, and these were 50-ton flats, NOT "heavy duty".


Ben Hom


Re: PRR Flatcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"Can anyone provide more information about this flatcar?
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-18/X5846.jpg  
It seems to have quite a load capacity although the trucks do not appear to be heavy duty."

PRR 925340, from PRR 925003 - 925521, Class FM.  The most numerous class of PRR flat car, with over 3,600 cars built, and these were 50-ton flats, NOT "heavy duty".


Ben Hom


Re: PRR Flatcar

al_brown03
 

According to Gatwood and Buchan, "PRR Flat Cars", pp 23-28, 103-107, that's a PRR class FM flat, built 1902-13 with arch bar trucks. The trucks were rebuilt into 2D-F8 by replacing the side frames. F&C make a kit in HO scale.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: PRR Flatcar

David Soderblom
 

Now that is a girder! Note the brake wheel is nowhere near the end…



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu, 410-338-4543


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

David Soderblom
 

Details:

Why the 3-link chains on the ends?

What are the ~3/4-inch rods on the ground?

What’s the lading? Limestone?



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu, 410-338-4543


Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Andy Carlson
 




Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



A gondola is defined by how it functions, not how it is built.

It's a gondola because it's an open car with a flat floor into which you
can pour something and it won't
spill out, but it has no slope sheets - which would make it a "hopper".
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Labels are necessary to aid in communications. These cars are what they are, and whatever we call them, they remain what they are. I could declare "A flat car is a flat frame with decking used to carry un-covered items. Must have stake pockets."  No less a valid decry than yours, Tim.

We could call this a "flat car with added sides to perform gondola type of work". I seem to see that the vertical posts appear to have been riveted/bolted to the fishbelly flatcar side, and I would not be surprised if the drop end and end sill were retrofits. Or who is to say that flat cars can't have drop ends?

A simular Flatcar photo I found today. Note this also has an end post for supporting a gondola style end.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



PRR Flatcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Can anyone provide more information about this flatcar?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-18/X5846.jpg

It seems to have quite a load capacity although the trucks do not appear to be heavy duty.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

John,

I haven't been following this - but are you saying you think the AHM gondola is good for this car?

On 3/16/2019 6:36 PM, John Hile via Groups.Io wrote:
Take a look at C&EI 95300-95399.  Go to "Photos" section of this group, and search "95300" and you will find a pic and data sheet from C&EI Modeling News.

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Tim O'Connor
 

A gondola is defined by how it functions, not how it is built.

It's a gondola because it's an open car with a flat floor into which you can pour something and it won't
spill out, but it has no slope sheets - which would make it a "hopper".

On 3/16/2019 5:47 PM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
This car was built as a drop-end gondola, though the design philosophy was "flat car with sides". Anyone else notice the safety chains on either side of the coupler?

David Thompson
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

John Hile
 

Take a look at C&EI 95300-95399.  Go to "Photos" section of this group, and search "95300" and you will find a pic and data sheet from C&EI Modeling News.

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA


Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

David
 

This car was built as a drop-end gondola, though the design philosophy was "flat car with sides". Anyone else notice the safety chains on either side of the coupler?

David Thompson


Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Andy Carlson
 

Flat car.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Which type of car is this?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-18/X5810.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Brian Carlson
 

Gondola. Reading class GH D 29000-29999.  50 ton car. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Which type of car is this?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-18/X5810.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Eric Hansmann
 

Not a flat car. 

Built as a gondola. Drop ends enable mill loading. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 16, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Which type of car is this?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-18/X5810.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Eric Hansmann
 

Gondola. 

And since the ends drop inward, this is a mill gondola. F&C produces an HO kit for this car. Here’s how mine turned out. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 16, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Which type of car is this?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-18/X5810.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Edward
 

It's a flat car that has been converted to a low side, drop-end gondola.
Note the latch bars on the car end, to keep it in place when the car is empty.

Ed Bommer 


Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Bob Chaparro
 

Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Which type of car is this?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-18/X5810.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Throwback Thursday

Richard Townsend
 

Red Ball. I've got unbuilt models of both the R7 and the X23.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Strahlendorf <das1054@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Mar 15, 2019 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday

Seem to recall a metal kit version of this car from back in the 50s or 60s. Wasn't Varney and am thinking it could have been Red Ball or Ulrich, but then again it's probably another manufacturer.

Dave Strahlendorf
Erlanger,Ky


Re: Throwback Thursday

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

James the rivits on the Santa Fe car were done with an early rivit punch.   When I resurrected the NKP car I used brass rivits from Scale Hardware.  They are a bit oversized but so much better than the rivits on the white metal Z bars that came with the kit.  

For the Santa Fe car I plan to use punched rivet angles on the sides of the panels and a punched rivit strip on the sides of the ends when I redo this car.  I tried the brass rivits on the ends of the sides of a Tichy P& LE car but was not very satisfied.

Bill Pardie




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-------- Original message --------
From: James E Kubanick <jekuban@...>
Date: 3/15/19 10:42 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday

Bill,

I've built the ATSF and NKP cars, but yours look much better than mine. What did you use for rivets on them?


Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Friday, March 15, 2019, 9:08:05 AM EDT, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


Well done builds.  Thanks for sharing.
Lester Breuer


Re: Throwback Thursday

 

Seem to recall a metal kit version of this car from back in the 50s or 60s. Wasn't Varney and am thinking it could have been Red Ball or Ulrich, but then again it's probably another manufacturer.

Dave Strahlendorf
Erlanger,Ky

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