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Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Bruce Smith
 

David,


If you mean the rods on the right hand side of the photo (not the rebar in the center left), then these are the rods that actuate the interlocking plant. This is a manual interlocking and the rods run back to the tower and control the switches and signals in the interlocking from the "Armstrong" machine.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?
 
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Why the 3-link chains on the ends?

What are the ~3/4-inch rods on the ground?

What’s the lading?  Limestone?



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
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Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Dennis Storzek
 

The three link chains are because it is a drop end go which means it was designed to carry loads that straddled two or more cars. Back in the era of the photo multiple cars under a single load were required to be chained together so someone couldn't accidently uncouple the cars and drop the load.

The rods are concrete reinforcing rod. Note the concrete mixer in the background. The structure that looks like a trestle is actually the former work for a concrete overpass.

Given the construction in the scene the load may well be crushed stone. 
Dennis Storzek


PRR Flatcar

David
 

Note the ACL ventilated box at left.

A prior image in the series shows a train of 15 girders:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-18/X5843.jpg

David Thompson


Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

David
 

Why the 3-link chains on the ends?
Presumably safety chains to keep cars together in the event of knuckle or draft gear failure.

What are the ~3/4-inch rods on the ground?
Rebar.

What’s the lading? Limestone?
The Reading gon I think is just gravel, though the car under the timber might be limestone. This pic is one of a large series showing the mid-1920s DL&W line relocation in New Jersey, which involved a great deal of concrete infrastructure.

David Thompson


Re: PRR Flatcar

Benjamin Hom
 

In fact, all three cars are Class FM.


Ben Hom

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎March‎ ‎16‎, ‎2019‎ ‎09‎:‎04‎:‎20‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Bob Chaparro asked:
"Can anyone provide more information about this flatcar?
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-18/X5846.jpg  
It seems to have quite a load capacity although the trucks do not appear to be heavy duty."

PRR 925340, from PRR 925003 - 925521, Class FM.  The most numerous class of PRR flat car, with over 3,600 cars built, and these were 50-ton flats, NOT "heavy duty".


Ben Hom


Re: PRR Flatcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"Can anyone provide more information about this flatcar?
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-18/X5846.jpg  
It seems to have quite a load capacity although the trucks do not appear to be heavy duty."

PRR 925340, from PRR 925003 - 925521, Class FM.  The most numerous class of PRR flat car, with over 3,600 cars built, and these were 50-ton flats, NOT "heavy duty".


Ben Hom


Re: PRR Flatcar

al_brown03
 

According to Gatwood and Buchan, "PRR Flat Cars", pp 23-28, 103-107, that's a PRR class FM flat, built 1902-13 with arch bar trucks. The trucks were rebuilt into 2D-F8 by replacing the side frames. F&C make a kit in HO scale.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: PRR Flatcar

David Soderblom
 

Now that is a girder! Note the brake wheel is nowhere near the end…



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu, 410-338-4543


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

David Soderblom
 

Details:

Why the 3-link chains on the ends?

What are the ~3/4-inch rods on the ground?

What’s the lading? Limestone?



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu, 410-338-4543


Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Andy Carlson
 




Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



A gondola is defined by how it functions, not how it is built.

It's a gondola because it's an open car with a flat floor into which you
can pour something and it won't
spill out, but it has no slope sheets - which would make it a "hopper".
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***********(****
Labels are necessary to aid in communications. These cars are what they are, and whatever we call them, they remain what they are. I could declare "A flat car is a flat frame with decking used to carry un-covered items. Must have stake pockets."  No less a valid decry than yours, Tim.

We could call this a "flat car with added sides to perform gondola type of work". I seem to see that the vertical posts appear to have been riveted/bolted to the fishbelly flatcar side, and I would not be surprised if the drop end and end sill were retrofits. Or who is to say that flat cars can't have drop ends?

A simular Flatcar photo I found today. Note this also has an end post for supporting a gondola style end.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



PRR Flatcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Can anyone provide more information about this flatcar?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-10-18/X5846.jpg

It seems to have quite a load capacity although the trucks do not appear to be heavy duty.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

John,

I haven't been following this - but are you saying you think the AHM gondola is good for this car?

On 3/16/2019 6:36 PM, John Hile via Groups.Io wrote:
Take a look at C&EI 95300-95399.  Go to "Photos" section of this group, and search "95300" and you will find a pic and data sheet from C&EI Modeling News.

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Tim O'Connor
 

A gondola is defined by how it functions, not how it is built.

It's a gondola because it's an open car with a flat floor into which you can pour something and it won't
spill out, but it has no slope sheets - which would make it a "hopper".

On 3/16/2019 5:47 PM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
This car was built as a drop-end gondola, though the design philosophy was "flat car with sides". Anyone else notice the safety chains on either side of the coupler?

David Thompson
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: AHM 40' 8-panel gondola

John Hile
 

Take a look at C&EI 95300-95399.  Go to "Photos" section of this group, and search "95300" and you will find a pic and data sheet from C&EI Modeling News.

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA


Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

David
 

This car was built as a drop-end gondola, though the design philosophy was "flat car with sides". Anyone else notice the safety chains on either side of the coupler?

David Thompson


Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Andy Carlson
 

Flat car.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Which type of car is this?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-18/X5810.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Brian Carlson
 

Gondola. Reading class GH D 29000-29999.  50 ton car. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 16, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Which type of car is this?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-18/X5810.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Eric Hansmann
 

Not a flat car. 

Built as a gondola. Drop ends enable mill loading. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 16, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Which type of car is this?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-18/X5810.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Eric Hansmann
 

Gondola. 

And since the ends drop inward, this is a mill gondola. F&C produces an HO kit for this car. Here’s how mine turned out. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 16, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Which type of car is this?

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-05-18/X5810.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Reading Flatcar Or Gondola?

Edward
 

It's a flat car that has been converted to a low side, drop-end gondola.
Note the latch bars on the car end, to keep it in place when the car is empty.

Ed Bommer 

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