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Tungsten weight--40% Sale at Maximum Velocity

Andy Carlson
 

Hello everyone-

The company I have mentioned a few times as a source for Tungsten weights from putty, pellets, and many different geometric shapes is going out of business and is reducing everything for 40%.

<info@...>

I have purchased a few times and love the huge weight difference from lead. About 4 times the specific gravity of Zinc, almost twice lead.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Dear Maximum Velocity customer:

After 20 years of offering pinewood derby supplies, we have decided to sell Maximum Velocity. This was a difficult decision as we enjoy the business and interacting with our customers. However, we are getting older and it is getting more difficult to keep up with the busy schedule. We will do our best to ease the transition, but there will be some period of time when the business will be offline.

To prepare for selling the business, we are greatly reducing our huge inventory of pinewood derby products. Starting today, we are offering 40% off on all orders - no restrictions.(1) This is your chance to get supplies for this year, or for next year at prices likely never to be seen again.

To take advantage of this offer, use coupon code MAXIMUM40 during checkout. The coupon is only valid for orders placed between March 19 and April 30.

Sorry, at this discount level there is no free shipping offer.

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To our fellow pinewood derby vendors, or individuals that are looking for large quantities of an item, we can offer you at or below wholesale prices on bulk purchases of pine blocks, weights, BSA Speed Wheels, and other parts. Send us an email with item(s) and quantity that you are interested in, and we will send you a quote. Our email address is:

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If you are interested in purchasing the business, please let us know. To run the business you would need a very large room and/or outbuilding. I don't recommend a separate commercial facility due to the overhead costs. Send serious inquiries only to: info@...

Thank you for your business,
Randy & Elisa Davis
Maximum Velocity

(1) All sales are final, and no returns are allowed except in the case of damage during shipping or a defective product. Any returns must be received by May 1, 2019.

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Re: Weekend paint and decal project

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Dave,

Nicely done. A little weathering and distressing will make the 'screwed up E' look perfectly natural. I like the 1920's vehicles in the photo, they set and define the time line. Great job.

Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: A&Y Dave in MD
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:44 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Weekend paint and decal project

Friday night, I had some leftover Tru Color paint in my airbrush cup after painting my pulp racks, so I pulled out an Ertl low side gon project car, removed trucks and deck, then painted it black. I had a steam era image from 1929 showing a Southern gondola during construction work at Duke University. So I put together some graphics in Adobe Illustrator to match on Sunday and printed the decal sheet. Tonight I applied the decals. I was in too much of a hurry and screwed up the E, but I managed to finish the whole car on all sides. I added Tahoe trucks and I need to replace some grabs and stirrup steps, but I think it came out decent. Next one will have corner gussets, vertical brake wheel, scale couplers, and proper K brakes. But at least now I have one more example for my presentation on Ghost White decals at the Greensburg RPM meet. See you at my talk 4pm Saturday. The car will be on display.


Dave Bott


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

Tim O'Connor
 

Years ago I was very surprised to learn that German Americans are the largest "ethnic group"
in the USA. About 1/6 of Americans are descended from Germans, and many more than Irish
or English or African descendants. But yeah, WWI sent their pride underground where it has
mostly remained...

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2015/02/05/the-silent-minority

On 3/18/2019 11:32 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Johannes wrote:

being a German, I would be interested what exactly was german in that company. "Just" a German immigrant as a (co-)founder?
The founder was of German heritage. Before WW I, German heritage was a source of pride in the U.S.

Tony Thompson
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Weight and sound in a Steam loco

Peter Hall
 

Yes, that is a key point in the addition of the weight.  The locomotive does now balance midway between the second and third drivers, because the combination of the weights of the cab and the motor balance nicely with the newly-inserted lead.

Thanks
Pete


Re: 8 hatch reefer question.

John Riddell
 

The twin thermometer ("liquidometer") was mounted only on the right car side.

John Riddell.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

Tony Thompson
 

Johannes wrote:

being a German, I would be interested what exactly was german in that company. "Just" a German immigrant as a (co-)founder?
The founder was of German heritage. Before WW I, German heritage was a source of pride in the U.S.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Weekend paint and decal project

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Scott,

Yes. I've been using and trusting Tom's Tango Papa decal paper since I first got an ALPS back in 1998.

Dave

Monday, March 18, 2019, 10:06:15 PM, you wrote:


Which paper did you use? Tango Papa?

Scott McDonald



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David Bott

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Re: Weekend paint and decal project

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Nice results. Now that project would have taken
me a month, not a weekend. I have to think about
things a lot. A lot.

Schuyler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of A&Y Dave
in MD
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:45 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Weekend paint and decal
project

Friday night, I had some leftover Tru Color paint
in my airbrush cup after painting my pulp racks,
so I pulled out an Ertl low side gon project car,
removed trucks and deck, then painted it black. I
had a steam era image from 1929 showing a Southern
gondola during construction work at Duke
University. So I put together some graphics in
Adobe Illustrator to match on Sunday and printed
the decal sheet. Tonight I applied the decals. I
was in too much of a hurry and screwed up the E,
but I managed to finish the whole car on all
sides. I added Tahoe trucks and I need to replace
some grabs and stirrup steps, but I think it came
out decent. Next one will have corner gussets,
vertical brake wheel, scale couplers, and proper K
brakes. But at least now I have one more example
for my presentation on Ghost White decals at the
Greensburg RPM meet. See you at my talk 4pm
Saturday. The car will be on display.


Dave Bott


Re: Weekend paint and decal project

Scott
 

Which paper did you use? Tango Papa?

Scott McDonald


Weekend paint and decal project

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Friday night, I had some leftover Tru Color paint in my airbrush cup after painting my pulp racks, so I pulled out an Ertl low side gon project car, removed trucks and deck, then painted it black. I had a steam era image from 1929 showing a Southern gondola during construction work at Duke University. So I put together some graphics in Adobe Illustrator to match on Sunday and printed the decal sheet. Tonight I applied the decals. I was in too much of a hurry and screwed up the E, but I managed to finish the whole car on all sides. I added Tahoe trucks and I need to replace some grabs and stirrup steps, but I think it came out decent. Next one will have corner gussets, vertical brake wheel, scale couplers, and proper K brakes. But at least now I have one more example for my presentation on Ghost White decals at the Greensburg RPM meet. See you at my talk 4pm Saturday. The car will be on display.


Dave Bott


8 hatch reefer question.

Scott
 

Do the series six 8 hatch reefers have the thermometer on both sides of the car or one side or neither?  It seems I have run across photos of 8 hatch reefers that dont have the thermometer at least on one side..  But the images are pretty fuzzy.

Thanks
Scott McDonald


Re: Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

Jim Gates
 

That history is available here:


https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b661737;view=1up;seq=1

According to this the name was borrowed from the German-American Provision Company. The implication is this is the company from whom Epstein obtained his original cars.

Jim Gates
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On Mon, 3/18/19, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@mindspring.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Monday, March 18, 2019, 8:06 PM

Max Epstein found a freight car leasing company in 1898 and in 1902, changed the name to German American.  During WWI, the name changed, again, to General American, at least partly due to anti-German sentiment at that time.  See http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/2681.html for some more details.  There was a 50 year history book published in 1948 that shows up from time to time on eBay or other used book sites.

Steve Hile


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Max Epstein found a freight car leasing company in 1898 and in 1902, changed the name to German American. During WWI, the name changed, again, to General American, at least partly due to anti-German sentiment at that time. See http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/2681.html for some more details. There was a 50 year history book published in 1948 that shows up from time to time on eBay or other used book sites.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@gmx.net>
Sent: Mar 18, 2019 4:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

Hello Tony,

being a German, I would be interested what exactly was german in that company. "Just" a German immigrant as a (co-)founder?

Many thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Gesendet: Montag, 18. März 2019 um 16:28 Uhr
Von: "Tony Thompson" <tony@signaturepress.com>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

Elden Gatwood wrote:

I did some more looking, and am pretty convinced: the letters and numbers cast into the bolster looks like GATC predecessor German-American Car Company (hence, GATC, not "General American", as is commonly thought, even though that is the modern version); name changed during WW2 because of "German" as a then dirty word.
Actually that would be World War 1, not 2. Elden probably mistyped, but I wouldn't want wrong info to slide out there.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history










Re: UTLX X design dimensions

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Although the early class X cars were about 6000 gallons capacity, most built later were 6500 gallon capacity and had 3 radial courses on the upper tank. Those converted to narrow gauge service were most likely these slightly larger and later tanks. Some details are in the book, but I did not attempt to define the narrow gauge usages, as there were several renumberings and a few cars that were designated as convertible (Class V cars) that could ride on either narrow or standard gauge trucks when required. There is a pretty complete roster from 1952 in the files section of this list. Those swing cars, I believe, are in the 55xxx range while the X cars are in the 88xxx series.  See https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/files/UTLX%201-1952%20TANK%20CAR%20LIST.pdf.

In HO the old MDC tank with Shapeways underframe and running boards models the 6000 gallon cars fairly well.

Steve Hile


-----Original Message-----
>From: Earl Tuson
>Sent: Mar 18, 2019 7:25 PM
>To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
>Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX X design dimensions
>
>The 1906 CBD has plans for 6,000 gal UTLX X design tank cars:
>
>https://archive.org/details/carbuildersdict00mast/page/n315
>
>This drawing shows the bolster centers to be 17’, and the 5 horizontal course 76” ID tank length to be 25’
>(26’6” over the heads.)
>
>PBL makes very high quality Sn3 equipment. Their 6,000 gallon tank molding is used in their Type V kit
>and their modified, wide frame, Type X (converted by the prototype from normal standard gauge Type X
>cars.) However, the PBL 3 horizontal course tank is ~77.5” OD but 26’6” long (28’ over the heads,) with
>19’ bolster centers.
>
>Can anyone offer insight into these apparent discrepancies?
>
>Earl Tuson
>
>
>
>


German-American Car Co. [Was "Help With Wabash Tank Car ID"]

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Johannes,

Atlantic Seaboard Dispatch was formed in 1898 by a German immigrant named Max Epstein to lease freight cars to shippers. Initially they offered refrigerator cars. The firm was reorganized as the German-American Car Company. in 1902. When the company went public with its stock in 1916, the name was changed to General American Tank Car Company. This better reflected the most common type of car they were offering for lease at that time. The commonly repeated story is that name was changed to make the stock more attractive to investors because of anti-German feeling in the U.S. over the war in Europe, though this is not mentioned in the story linked below.

You can read a brief history of the company at: http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/gatx-corporation-history/ .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 3/18/19 5:49 PM, vapeurchapelon wrote:
Hello Tony,

being a German, I would be interested what exactly was german in that company. "Just" a German immigrant as a (co-)founder?

Many thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Gesendet: Montag, 18. März 2019 um 16:28 Uhr
Von: "Tony Thompson" <tony@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

Elden Gatwood  wrote:

I did some more looking, and am pretty convinced: the letters and numbers cast into the bolster looks like GATC predecessor German-American Car Company (hence, GATC, not "General American", as is commonly thought, even though that is the modern version); name changed during WW2 because of "German" as a then dirty word.
   Actually that would be World War 1, not 2. Elden probably mistyped, but I wouldn't want wrong info to slide out there.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history














UTLX X design dimensions

Earl Tuson
 

The 1906 CBD has plans for 6,000 gal UTLX X design tank cars:

https://archive.org/details/carbuildersdict00mast/page/n315

This drawing shows the bolster centers to be 17’, and the 5 horizontal course 76” ID tank length to be 25’
(26’6” over the heads.)

PBL makes very high quality Sn3 equipment. Their 6,000 gallon tank molding is used in their Type V kit
and their modified, wide frame, Type X (converted by the prototype from normal standard gauge Type X
cars.) However, the PBL 3 horizontal course tank is ~77.5” OD but 26’6” long (28’ over the heads,) with
19’ bolster centers.

Can anyone offer insight into these apparent discrepancies?

Earl Tuson


The Winter issue of The Keystone Modeler (#107) is now available

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

The Winter 2019 issue of The Keystone Modeler (#107) is now available at the PRRT&HS web site:

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Assistant to the Webmaster, PRRT&HS


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Tony,

being a German, I would be interested what exactly was german in that company. "Just" a German immigrant as a (co-)founder?

Many thanks

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Gesendet: Montag, 18. März 2019 um 16:28 Uhr
Von: "Tony Thompson" <tony@signaturepress.com>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

Elden Gatwood wrote:

I did some more looking, and am pretty convinced: the letters and numbers cast into the bolster looks like GATC predecessor German-American Car Company (hence, GATC, not "General American", as is commonly thought, even though that is the modern version); name changed during WW2 because of "German" as a then dirty word.
Actually that would be World War 1, not 2. Elden probably mistyped, but I wouldn't want wrong info to slide out there.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history









Re: PRR Flatcar

Charlie Vlk
 

The brakewheel and staff have been dismounted and are loose on the deck, being secured by the rod that is part of the load tie-down. There may be some additional hold-downs that we can't see.
Charlie Vlk

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Soderblom
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 7:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR Flatcar

Now that is a girder! Note the brake wheel is nowhere near the end…



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu, 410-338-4543


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

Dave Parker
 

If the car was built pre-WWI, then by definition it was built to an MCB (not ARA) standard, and it almost certainly was Spec II (not III).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

On Monday, March 18, 2019, 12:32:46 PM EDT, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


You are correct, Tony!  Thanks for catching that!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 11:29 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID

Elden Gatwood  wrote:

> I did some more looking, and am pretty convinced: the letters and numbers cast into the bolster looks like GATC predecessor German-American Car Company (hence, GATC, not "General American", as is commonly thought, even though that is the modern version); name changed during WW2 because of "German" as a then dirty word.

  Actually that would be World War 1, not 2. Elden probably mistyped, but I wouldn't want wrong info to slide out there.

Tony Thompson            Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705        Blockedwww.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history











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