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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID
Tony Thompson
Johannes wrote:
being a German, I would be interested what exactly was german in that company. "Just" a German immigrant as a (co-)founder?The founder was of German heritage. Before WW I, German heritage was a source of pride in the U.S. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Weekend paint and decal project
Scott,
Yes. I've been using and trusting Tom's Tango Papa decal paper since I first got an ALPS back in 1998. Dave Monday, March 18, 2019, 10:06:15 PM, you wrote:
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Re: Weekend paint and decal project
Schuyler Larrabee
Nice results. Now that project would have taken
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me a month, not a weekend. I have to think about things a lot. A lot. Schuyler
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of A&Y Dave in MD Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:45 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Weekend paint and decal project Friday night, I had some leftover Tru Color paint in my airbrush cup after painting my pulp racks, so I pulled out an Ertl low side gon project car, removed trucks and deck, then painted it black. I had a steam era image from 1929 showing a Southern gondola during construction work at Duke University. So I put together some graphics in Adobe Illustrator to match on Sunday and printed the decal sheet. Tonight I applied the decals. I was in too much of a hurry and screwed up the E, but I managed to finish the whole car on all sides. I added Tahoe trucks and I need to replace some grabs and stirrup steps, but I think it came out decent. Next one will have corner gussets, vertical brake wheel, scale couplers, and proper K brakes. But at least now I have one more example for my presentation on Ghost White decals at the Greensburg RPM meet. See you at my talk 4pm Saturday. The car will be on display. Dave Bott
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Re: Weekend paint and decal project
Scott
Which paper did you use? Tango Papa?
Scott McDonald
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Weekend paint and decal project
Friday night, I had some leftover Tru Color paint in my airbrush cup after painting my pulp racks, so I pulled out an Ertl low side gon project car, removed trucks and deck, then painted it black. I had a steam era image from 1929 showing a Southern gondola during construction work at Duke University. So I put together some graphics in Adobe Illustrator to match on Sunday and printed the decal sheet. Tonight I applied the decals. I was in too much of a hurry and screwed up the E, but I managed to finish the whole car on all sides. I added Tahoe trucks and I need to replace some grabs and stirrup steps, but I think it came out decent. Next one will have corner gussets, vertical brake wheel, scale couplers, and proper K brakes. But at least now I have one more example for my presentation on Ghost White decals at the Greensburg RPM meet. See you at my talk 4pm Saturday. The car will be on display.
Dave Bott
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8 hatch reefer question.
Scott
Do the series six 8 hatch reefers have the thermometer on both sides of the car or one side or neither? It seems I have run across photos of 8 hatch reefers that dont have the thermometer at least on one side.. But the images are pretty fuzzy.
Thanks Scott McDonald
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Re: Help With Wabash Tank Car ID
Jim Gates
That history is available here:
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https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b661737;view=1up;seq=1 According to this the name was borrowed from the German-American Provision Company. The implication is this is the company from whom Epstein obtained his original cars. Jim Gates --------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/18/19, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Date: Monday, March 18, 2019, 8:06 PM Max Epstein found a freight car leasing company in 1898 and in 1902, changed the name to German American. During WWI, the name changed, again, to General American, at least partly due to anti-German sentiment at that time. See http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/2681.html for some more details. There was a 50 year history book published in 1948 that shows up from time to time on eBay or other used book sites. Steve Hile
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID
Max Epstein found a freight car leasing company in 1898 and in 1902, changed the name to German American. During WWI, the name changed, again, to General American, at least partly due to anti-German sentiment at that time. See http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/2681.html for some more details. There was a 50 year history book published in 1948 that shows up from time to time on eBay or other used book sites.
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Re: UTLX X design dimensions
Although the early class X cars were about 6000 gallons capacity, most built later were 6500 gallon capacity and had 3 radial courses on the upper tank. Those converted to narrow gauge service were most likely these slightly larger and later tanks. Some details are in the book, but I did not attempt to define the narrow gauge usages, as there were several renumberings and a few cars that were designated as convertible (Class V cars) that could ride on either narrow or standard gauge trucks when required. There is a pretty complete roster from 1952 in the files section of this list. Those swing cars, I believe, are in the 55xxx range while the X cars are in the 88xxx series. See https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/files/UTLX%201-1952%20TANK%20CAR%20LIST.pdf. In HO the old MDC tank with Shapeways underframe and running boards models the 6000 gallon cars fairly well. Steve Hile
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>From: Earl Tuson >Sent: Mar 18, 2019 7:25 PM >To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io >Subject: [RealSTMFC] UTLX X design dimensions > >The 1906 CBD has plans for 6,000 gal UTLX X design tank cars: > >https://archive.org/details/carbuildersdict00mast/page/n315 > >This drawing shows the bolster centers to be 17, and the 5 horizontal course 76 ID tank length to be 25 >(266 over the heads.) > >PBL makes very high quality Sn3 equipment. Their 6,000 gallon tank molding is used in their Type V kit >and their modified, wide frame, Type X (converted by the prototype from normal standard gauge Type X >cars.) However, the PBL 3 horizontal course tank is ~77.5 OD but 266 long (28 over the heads,) with >19 bolster centers. > >Can anyone offer insight into these apparent discrepancies? > >Earl Tuson > > > >
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German-American Car Co. [Was "Help With Wabash Tank Car ID"]
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Johannes,
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Atlantic Seaboard Dispatch was formed in 1898 by a German immigrant named Max Epstein to lease freight cars to shippers. Initially they offered refrigerator cars. The firm was reorganized as the German-American Car Company. in 1902. When the company went public with its stock in 1916, the name was changed to General American Tank Car Company. This better reflected the most common type of car they were offering for lease at that time. The commonly repeated story is that name was changed to make the stock more attractive to investors because of anti-German feeling in the U.S. over the war in Europe, though this is not mentioned in the story linked below. You can read a brief history of the company at: http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/gatx-corporation-history/ . Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 3/18/19 5:49 PM, vapeurchapelon
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Hello Tony, being a German, I would be interested what exactly was german in that company. "Just" a German immigrant as a (co-)founder? Many thanks Johannes Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953Gesendet: Montag, 18. März 2019 um 16:28 Uhr Von: "Tony Thompson" <tony@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID Elden Gatwood wrote:I did some more looking, and am pretty convinced: the letters and numbers cast into the bolster looks like GATC predecessor German-American Car Company (hence, GATC, not "General American", as is commonly thought, even though that is the modern version); name changed during WW2 because of "German" as a then dirty word.Actually that would be World War 1, not 2. Elden probably mistyped, but I wouldn't want wrong info to slide out there. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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UTLX X design dimensions
Earl Tuson
The 1906 CBD has plans for 6,000 gal UTLX X design tank cars:
https://archive.org/details/carbuildersdict00mast/page/n315 This drawing shows the bolster centers to be 17’, and the 5 horizontal course 76” ID tank length to be 25’ (26’6” over the heads.) PBL makes very high quality Sn3 equipment. Their 6,000 gallon tank molding is used in their Type V kit and their modified, wide frame, Type X (converted by the prototype from normal standard gauge Type X cars.) However, the PBL 3 horizontal course tank is ~77.5” OD but 26’6” long (28’ over the heads,) with 19’ bolster centers. Can anyone offer insight into these apparent discrepancies? Earl Tuson
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The Winter issue of The Keystone Modeler (#107) is now available
Folks,
The Winter 2019 issue of The Keystone Modeler (#107) is now available at the PRRT&HS web site:
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Assistant to the Webmaster, PRRT&HS
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID
vapeurchapelon
Hello Tony,
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being a German, I would be interested what exactly was german in that company. "Just" a German immigrant as a (co-)founder? Many thanks Johannes Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Montag, 18. März 2019 um 16:28 Uhr
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Re: PRR Flatcar
Charlie Vlk
The brakewheel and staff have been dismounted and are loose on the deck, being secured by the rod that is part of the load tie-down. There may be some additional hold-downs that we can't see.
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Soderblom Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 7:47 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR Flatcar Now that is a girder! Note the brake wheel is nowhere near the end… David Soderblom Baltimore MD USA drs@..., 410-338-4543
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID
Dave Parker
If the car was built pre-WWI, then by definition it was built to an MCB (not ARA) standard, and it almost certainly was Spec II (not III). Dave Parker Riverside, CA
On Monday, March 18, 2019, 12:32:46 PM EDT, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
You are correct, Tony! Thanks for catching that! Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 11:29 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID Elden Gatwood wrote: > I did some more looking, and am pretty convinced: the letters and numbers cast into the bolster looks like GATC predecessor German-American Car Company (hence, GATC, not "General American", as is commonly thought, even though that is the modern version); name changed during WW2 because of "German" as a then dirty word. Actually that would be World War 1, not 2. Elden probably mistyped, but I wouldn't want wrong info to slide out there. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 Blockedwww.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: steam era freight car images, dating from 1900 to 1942
Ralph W. Brown
Hi Bob,
In my case, it usually means try a different browser. For some
reason, browsers seem to be picky about some things. Google can be
particularly difficult at times, but none I’ve found are perfect.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Bob
Thompson
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 2:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] steam era freight car images, dating from
1900 to 1942 When
I try to access these images I get the following response: HTTP Status 404 - /luna/servlet/s/1xy326 type - Status report message - /luna/servlet/s/1xy326 description - The requested resource is not available. Apache Tomcat/7.0.67 Does anyone know what this means? I get the same response going to https://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu. I’m in the Great White
North (Canada).
Bob Thompson
North Saanich, BC
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Re: steam era freight car images, dating from 1900 to 1942
Bob Thompson
When I try to access these images I get the following response:
HTTP Status 404 - /luna/servlet/s/1xy326 type - Status report message - /luna/servlet/s/1xy326 description - The requested resource is not available. Apache Tomcat/7.0.67 Does anyone know what this means? I get the same response going to https://digitalcollections.uwyo.edu. I’m in the Great White North (Canada). Bob Thompson North Saanich, BC
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Re: NKP Consist (Rabbit Skins)
mopacfirst
I just looked at this image, and the accompanying information seems to say between 1917-1920.
Ron Merrick
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Re: NKP Consist (Rabbit Skins)
Here is a link to a photograph showing rabbit skins(?) about to be loaded into a Santa Fe refrigerator car in Liberal, Kansas: http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/228197/page/1 Of note is that SFRD 12801 (or is it 12901?), a Class Rr-U refrigerator car built in 1917 by AC&F. The accompanying information says the photograph was taken between 1910 and 1912, but this appears to be incorrect. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
You are correct, Tony! Thanks for catching that!
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 11:29 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Help With Wabash Tank Car ID Elden Gatwood wrote: I did some more looking, and am pretty convinced: the letters and numbers cast into the bolster looks like GATC predecessor German-American Car Company (hence, GATC, not "General American", as is commonly thought, even though that is the modern version); name changed during WW2 because of "German" as a then dirty word.Actually that would be World War 1, not 2. Elden probably mistyped, but I wouldn't want wrong info to slide out there. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 Blockedwww.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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