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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
it's obviously a typo. the cars are obviously the same height (compare the doors) the cars are not listed in the 1975 ORER. probably in company service at the date of the photos.
On 3/21/2019 7:40 PM, Garth Groff
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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
Pierre Oliver
Would you settle for both ?
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Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On Mar 21, 2019, at 8:52 PM, David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Yes the forthcoming the B-5 from YarmouthWhich B5? The first batch of 500 had a flat roof and 5-4 ends, and the second order for 1,000 had a Murphy roof and 5-5 ends. In either case, they were no more statistically representative than any other half-dozen box car designs on N&W.
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Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
David
Yes the forthcoming the B-5 from YarmouthWhich B5? The first batch of 500 had a flat roof and 5-4 ends, and the second order for 1,000 had a Murphy roof and 5-5 ends. In either case, they were no more statistically representative than any other half-dozen box car designs on N&W. David Thompson
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David
And there were a few classes of rebuilt all-steel box cars too, yes?Yes, about half of the original class BS cars were rebuilt to widebody B7 and B7a in the late '40s, and the wagontop class B1 and B2 were rebuilt with new roofs and doors in the mid-'50s. David Thompson
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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Bruce and List Members,
Bruce wrote: “I don't believe that the arch bars lasted beyond 1930”
Images showing PRR X29 cars with archbar trucks are quite rare. But I do
have one image that post-dates 1930 showing a car equipped with archbar trucks.
Here is all I have on the topic:
I have a builders photo of brand new PRR 569430 equipped as such dated
7-24, painted in center bar no Keystone lettering.
I also have an in-service photo of PRR 570994 with archbar trucks and
center bar no Keystone lettering - no date indicated.
I have an in-service photo of an unidentified X29 with arch bar trucks an
center bar no Keystone lettering, date is given as 1926.
I also have an in-service photo of PRR 570862 dated Sep 1932 with archbar
trucks and circle Keystone lettering. The build date appears to read
10-24.
Claus Schlund
From: Bruce
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO
Scale) Ralph,
The old undec kits came with both brake sprues, so hopefully that would continue.
To clarify, the '28 style body, as used as a descriptor refers to the rivet and side sheet overlap pattern. The 1932-34 cars have a 1928 "body" with dreadnought ends.
All production except early was built with 2D-F8 trucks. The early cars may have switched to 2D-F8 in the later production of these cars, or they may have been converted later, but it would appear not much later. I don't believe that the arch bars lasted beyond 1930.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, Al From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ralph W. Brown
<rbrown51@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 9:12 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale) Hi Bruce, et al.,
Thanks for the heads up.
I’m interested in the undec kits, which I hope would come with KD brakes or
maybe parts for both KD and AB brakes. The Intermountain website lists
five undec kits with the notation “TBD” in the product status column. The
first two of those are described as “1928” bodies, RC-7000 with steel plate
ends, and RC-7001 with Dreadnaught ends. RC-7002 is described as having a
“1924” body with steel plate ends; RC-7003 is described as having an AAR body
with steel plate ends; and RC-7004 is described as having a “1924” body with
patches and steel plate ends. All five descriptions are silent with regard
to brakes.
According to the article in the March 2004 TKM, all except “those built in
1932 and 1934 had two-piece flat ends.” The Dreadnaught ends were used
only on the “final two production runs.”
The website doesn’t say anything about trucks either. The TKM article
states the the 1924 cars were built with 2D-F1 arch bar trucks, the majority of
which were later replace with 2D-F8 trucks. I infer from the article that
the 1928 and subsequent years’ cars were built with 2D-F8 trucks, although some
X29 boxcars, both freight and express service cars, were “seen” with 2D-F12
coil-elliptic trucks, but doesn’t say when. Also, at least PRR 100688,
“one of the last cars built,” was equipped at some point with GSC BX express
trucks, but again the article doesn’t say when.
Question: Anyone know when the 1924 cars’ 2D-F1 trucks were replaced with
2D-F8 trucks?
The TKM article contains a wealth of other information about the details of
these cars, as does another article in the April 2004 TKM dealing with X29
boxcars in express service.
Anyway, here’s hoping the various painted and lettered cars get enough
reservations to move them on to production, and that the undec kits are produced
as well.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO
Scale) Folks, Please be aware, that at least based on the artwork displayed by
Intermountain, the brakes on these prospective car releases are incorrect.
The artwork (and description) indicates that these cars use the RC patch
panel tooling, which, to the best of my knowledge, was only done for the
mid-production (1928) body X29 by RC. Although not clear, the artwork appears to
show plate ends, which is expected. The artwork also show a transverse early AB
reservoir. These were only applied to the 1932 or later production X29s which
are distinguished by the application of Dreadnaught ends. Subsequent plate end
X29 conversions to AB brakes utilized the more well known AB reservoir, hung
longitudinally under the carbody. Thus the offering by IM is incorrectly
detailed with respect to the type and location of the brake reservoir (and some
minor differences with brake levers as well).
Regards
Bruce
Bruce F.
Smith
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the
windshield."
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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
Matt Herson
The capacity information on both cars is metric (KGS). Without doing the math they sure look like X29 cars. 5547 has a build date of 4-25 and 5598 build date 4-23 that CHP could have wrong. There are other type cars between the two numbers so the series in not all X29 cars.
Matt Herson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 7:41 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
Matt, On 3/21/19 2:24 PM, Matt Herson wrote:
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Re: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale) Was reservations needed
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Don,
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In 1958 the HPT&D owned four boxcars, conveniently numbered 401-404. They had a 10' IH, and were 3548 cu ft. I don't know if these were the cars you referenced or not. That said, circa 1944, MR published a "cyclopedia", from which I have a photocopy of an HPT&D 411 drawing, which had all the visual features of an X29 on steroids. The notes say the car was built in 1929. Sadly, this was an early wet photocopy I made in junior high school before clearer dry photocopiers became office necessities. The dimensional data is not legible, but appears to be 34XX or 35XX. The drawing, by the way, was scaled to 1/96. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 3/21/19 3:57 PM, Donald B. Valentine
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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Matt,
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If the capacity information given with the second photos is correct, 3879 cubic feet, CHP 5598 cannot be an X29. X29s had a capacity of 3034 cubic feet. That is even bigger than the X28's 3278 cubic feet. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 3/21/19 2:24 PM, Matt Herson wrote:
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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
Yes the forthcoming the B-5 from Yarmouth.
Bill Welch However, was there a better more representative XM car for the N&W (first half 1950s era) than the X29?Not really, no. Before 1925, the prewar 36' double-sheathed boxes in classes BG, BH, and BI (plus the ventilators in class BJ) would have been predominant. After 1955, 40' PS-1s would be a good representative. During the intervening thirty years, N&W would pick a particular design and buy or build 500, 1000, or 1500 of it, then after 5-7 years or so pick a significantly different design and buy or build several groups of that, etc. so that no single design comprised more than 20-30% of the box car fleet. David Thompso
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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
Bill Welch
. ..and if you looked at my PDF I highlight the differences in each of the six classes, including the length of the Running Boards where I had the information. Also covered is truck spacing for the models I am building.
Bill Welch
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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
And there were a few classes of rebuilt all-steel box cars too, yes?
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The N&W was frugal to a fault!
On 3/21/2019 4:39 PM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
However, was there a better more representative XM car for the N&W (first half 1950s era) than the X29?Not really, no. Before 1925, the prewar 36' double-sheathed boxes in classes BG, BH, and BI (plus the ventilators in class BJ) would have been predominant. After 1955, 40' PS-1s would be a good representative. During the intervening thirty years, N&W would pick a particular design and buy or build 500, 1000, or 1500 of it, then after 5-7 years or so pick a significantly different design and buy or build several groups of that, etc. so that no single design comprised more than 20-30% of the box car fleet. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale) Was reservations needed
More info on the '23 design mod:
http://steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/hptd424main.html And I think this is the '37 design car : https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/original-w-negative-high-point-1933733409 and a nice story on the history book published posthumously after the author's untimely death https://www.the-dispatch.com/lifestyle/20101229/railroad-book-realizes-mans-last-wish Dave Bott Thursday, March 21, 2019, 3:57:31 PM, you wrote:
-- David Bott Sent from David Bott's desktop PC
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Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
David
However, was there a better more representative XM car for the N&W (first half 1950s era) than the X29?Not really, no. Before 1925, the prewar 36' double-sheathed boxes in classes BG, BH, and BI (plus the ventilators in class BJ) would have been predominant. After 1955, 40' PS-1s would be a good representative. During the intervening thirty years, N&W would pick a particular design and buy or build 500, 1000, or 1500 of it, then after 5-7 years or so pick a significantly different design and buy or build several groups of that, etc. so that no single design comprised more than 20-30% of the box car fleet. David Thompson
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
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Have you seen this photo from the Hagley? This is the interesting arrangement on the 1932 cars with "pre-war" Y-town doors, for those with plumbing questions. Of course, this is the left side of the car. Also, the attached arrangement shows the converted X29 u/f (on an X29B), with the more expected AB-converted equipments. Note that the middle part of the drawing is from above, not below, so triple valve is on left side, reservoir on right, facing forward from the "B" end. The "wide-out" cross-bearers of the X29 were not replaced with door-width cross-bearers on the X29B. As Bruce notes, it is a relatively easy conversion. Just make sure you use short levers. The "wishbone" triple valve mount is easily cobbled from scrap sheet, and the reservoir supports from "L" angle, if you want to. Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 5:35 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale) Wishful thinking. They have used the same arrangement on all their AB equipped cars since it’s what they tooled. Well what Red Caboose tooled. Intermountain’s fidelity to the prototype varies widely depending on the model and paint scheme. Brian J. Carlson On Mar 20, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@hotmail.com <mailto:npmoyer@hotmail.com> > wrote: Unfortunately, notifying Intermountain about errors in presence, absence, and location of detail parts and paint schemes on several pre-order releases hasn’t altered their behavior, as they continue to ignore the information provided. I preordered six X29 cars in good faith, hoping they knew what they were doing. I think I’ll hold off on those decorated cars and see if they offer undecorated kits that can be kitbased into correct cars. Apparently we can’t expect Intermountain to compete with Exact Rail or Tangent with respect to prototype details. Perhaps if enough people provided corrections and/or complained, they would listen, or is that just wishful thinking? Nelson Moyer From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 2:26 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale) Folks, Please be aware, that at least based on the artwork displayed by Intermountain, the brakes on these prospective car releases are incorrect. The artwork (and description) indicates that these cars use the RC patch panel tooling, which, to the best of my knowledge, was only done for the mid-production (1928) body X29 by RC. Although not clear, the artwork appears to show plate ends, which is expected. The artwork also show a transverse early AB reservoir. These were only applied to the 1932 or later production X29s which are distinguished by the application of Dreadnaught ends. Subsequent plate end X29 conversions to AB brakes utilized the more well known AB reservoir, hung longitudinally under the carbody. Thus the offering by IM is incorrectly detailed with respect to the type and location of the brake reservoir (and some minor differences with brake levers as well). Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale) Was reservations needed
Don,
There was a High Point, Thomasville, and Denton, and a High Point, Randleman, Ashboro and Southern. These were two different railroads. The first was acquired by the Winston-Salem Southbound in 1960. The second was acquired by the Southern Railway. The first had an IMWX HO scale model based upon the 1937 AAR design (if I got the acronym right). I do not know of a commercial product for the second. Dave Bott Thursday, March 21, 2019, 3:57:31 PM, you wrote:
-- David Bott Sent from David Bott's desktop PC
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Re: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale) Was reservations needed
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Hello Bill Welch, Have an X-29 question that relates to the differences in height you have pointed out between the real McCoy and the N&W version. Filing some photos taken in years past recently I came across a couple taken in 1972 near Thomasville, NC. As you might expect from the location these were High Point, Thomasville & Denton box cars that looked a lot like X-29's except that they, too, appear to have been taller. Being "Yo'all" rolling stock can you tell me much about them? Can't help but wonder if the HP & T & D is still around and, if so, if any of the cars survive as they would make great museum pieces in a places like Salisbury, NC. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Both are 1928+ style PRR X29's.
On 3/21/2019 2:24 PM, Matt Herson
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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
Matt Herson
Jim,
Ferrocaril de Chihuahua al Pacifico are post 1960 cars and look to be ex PRR X29. No number series but links for two cars:
https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=63957
https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=68122
Matt Herson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of np328
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 4:48 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
Of the one Bob listed: Baltimore & Ohio (OK – on the pdf, B&O has multiple entries – help?) (13642 - STMFC # 42330) Central RR of New Jersey - 21000-21799 (800 cars) Chicago Great Western - 85000 – 87998 (even car numbers only so, 1499) (STMFC 132758) Ferrocaril de Chihuahua al Pacifico (?) Lehigh & New England – 8001 – 8500 (500 cars) Maine Central – 5000 – 6003 (1003 cars) Nickel Plate Road - 2500 – 25999 (1000) Norfolk & Western – 41000 – 41999 (a notable 5000 cars.) Is this almost a signature N&W XM? United States Army (no numbers listed from the pdf) Jim Dick – St. Paul, MN
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Re: Weekend paint and decal project
Alexander,
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Good questions that I have anticipated for my presentation this weekend. There are a large number of printers that the company has produced the appropriate toner cartridge. They favor HP printers, but many manufacturers are represented. See https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/ghost-white-toner-for-your-printer/#tonerfinder I could find one for my Samsung printer for example, although due to special circumstances (insurance covered replacement for my old ALPS which was destroyed in house fire) I bought a wireless HP color laser printer on Amazon to use with the Ghost White at my workbench (where the ALPS used to be). The prices of color laser printers have gone down. It used to be you could not get even a decent one for less than $500. The HP Color Laser Jet M252dw model I bought a year ago only cost $200 and if I didn't already have the Samsung for my work, I would use the HP for all printing uses. It is fairly compact, and being wireless, it goes where ever I want so long as there is a power cord. Given that I don't print with my printer that often (maybe 1-2 times per week) I found that inkjet printers were cheaper, but the ink dried out regularly and I spent the amount of money the laser printer and cartridges cost within two years. So I switched and have not used up anything but the black cartridge in my Samsung over the past 4 years. So price wise, I'm coming out far ahead. And the answer to your second question is: YES. I find the HP printer's cartridges easy to swap. I save the plastic cap that came on the new one and just swap which one it is on when I swap black for white or vice versa. I store the one I'm NOT using in the bubble wrap and box the Ghost White arrived in. It takes me less than 30 seconds to make the swap out of the box, into the printer and out of the printer into the box. Dave Wednesday, March 20, 2019, 3:56:22 PM, you wrote: > Dave, > Good start -- and obviously you can print another set to get the E. > I have a couple of questions about Ghost White decals > -- What printers can use them? In particular, only laser printers, which tend to be more expensive and larger footprint > on a desk? > -- Can the Ghost White toner be inserted when needed and replaced with black for normal use? > Thanks > Alex Schneider
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> From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of A&Y Dave in MD > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 8:45 PM > Subject: [RealSTMFC] Weekend paint and decal project > Friday night, I had some leftover Tru Color paint in my airbrush cup after painting my pulp racks, so I pulled out an > Ertl low side gon project car, removed trucks and deck, then painted it black. I had a steam era image from 1929 showing > a Southern gondola during construction work at Duke University. So I put together some graphics in Adobe Illustrator to > match on Sunday and printed the decal sheet. Tonight I applied the decals. I was in too much of a hurry and screwed up > the E, but I managed to finish the whole car on all sides. I added Tahoe trucks and I need to replace some grabs and > stirrup steps, but I think it came out decent. Next one will have corner gussets, vertical brake wheel, scale couplers, > and proper K brakes. But at least now I have one more example for my presentation on Ghost White decals at the > Greensburg RPM meet. See you at my talk 4pm Saturday. The car will be on display. > Dave Bott > -- David Bott Sent from David Bott's desktop PC
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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale)
James Brewer
The N&W BP/BPa is actually based on the PRR X28, not X29. Jim Brewer
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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