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Re: High Point Thomasville & Denton

Donald B. Valentine
 

     Thanks for the additional HPT&D photos, Bill. They sure hit the spot. Given that mine were taken in Sept. 1972 and seem to post date the latest photo by ten years I need to find it in the large box of photos and neg. I am sorting and post it as well. In my
photo the cars were painted and aluminum color and IIRC clearly stenciled "For Furniture Loading", which in the part of No. Car.
should not surprise anyone. Given that the younger generations don't like "case goods" (good quality hardwood furniture) and
seem to prefer IKEA I wonder how many of the better furniture manufacturers in that area survive as many further north no longer do.

Thanks again Bill,  Don Valentine
 

Re: What Are These?

Donald B. Valentine
 

     To add a little more to this on truss rod cars not too much older than the DL&W car and Wabash car used to illustrate
these bolted braces the same style of castings and nuts could be found a bit lower on the ends of the cars, In that example
they were nuts on the ends of truss rods. The brace ends that you ask about, Bob, are a left over from the truss rod era.
For truss rod cars the ends of the truss rods went over the bolster and then angled up into the end of the car at a flatter angle 
than your photo indicates for the brace and sometimes they went straight from the bolster top into the end sill. I believe this was largely dependent on whether the end of the car was steel or wood construction and with the latter the truss rod end would more likely have gone straight to the end sill. Hope this further explanation helps.If not you might also look at the No. Pac. truss rod
car on pages 118 & 119 of the 1922 Car Builders Cyc. or similar drawings in almost any earlier edition. 

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale) Was reservations needed

Donald B. Valentine
 

    That's certainly of interest. Thank you Garth.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Bruce Smith
 

Chuck,

As soon as you did this, Steve Funaro came out with a beautiful resin kit.  I’m going to try to “Bill Welch Extreme Modeler” mine by sanding off the deck and using my etched brass deck pieces.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Mar 22, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Bill,
 
You can kit-bash the PRR F34.  See the Keystone Modeler #104, Spring 2018.
 
Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM
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Re: What Are These?

mark_landgraf
 

These appear to be tensioning nuts for a diagonal bracing that would help transfer internal forces from shifting loads from the car end to the floor. The other end would penetrate the car floor near the body bolster. 

Remember that the corrugated car ends were to help stiffen the car ends so they could better absorb internal shock from shifting loads. 

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY


On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 3:17 PM, Rich C via Groups.Io
<rhcdmc@...> wrote:
Tim, I never seen marker brackets that low on the ends before, although to me it makes better sense when climbing the grabs and attaching them. They generally are in the middle quadrant on the ends.

Rich Christie

On Friday, March 22, 2019, 1:36:31 PM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Brackets to hold marker lamps?


On 3/22/2019 2:33 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

What is the purpose of this hardware (circled in red) on the end of the boxcar?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Bill Welch
 

I just noticed this kit #8470 on the F&C website. Is it a relatively new release? Bruce, where is/was the source please for the etched deck plates?

Bill Welch

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,


The kit was released last year at the PRRT&HS 50th annual meeting in Altoona. Literally a month prior, based on correspondence with Chuck, who sent me the deck drawings, I designed a mask to etch these myself... and did it. I have almost finished a TKM article on the decks. I just need to go back and alter the mask to account for the more prototypic deck width of the F&C model over the wider decks I built to the Athearn model.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al




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Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 5:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question
 
I just noticed this kit #8470 on the F&C website. Is it a relatively new release? Bruce, where is/was the source please for the etched deck plates?

Bill Welch

T-Z brake steps

Clark Propst
 

Hi, I'm modeling a car built in late 44 with a T-Z brake step. There's mention of that brand in RP Cyc 16, but I can't 'see' how to model one from the brief description.
As always any help in greatly appreciated!
CW Propst

Re: Always looking for tools

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Schuyler, have you used these when soldering?
Since they appear to be all plastic they might not
survive an encounter with heat.
Nelson, hang on to your clothes pins if you use
small clips during soldering.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===

Well, obviously, Rod, you have to >think< about
how you use your tools.

Schuyler

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

mopacfirst
 

I still haven't seen the 8470 on the F&C website.  But at least now I know what it is...

Ron Merrick

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,


We did the F28, F29, and F33 on PRRPro recently. Here's some brief information about the three kits you list, which overlap two of these projects...


F29 - 20 cars, 2 groups of 10, 1927 and 1929. Excellent models of both series available in HO from Railworks. F&C 8171 model covers the first group with 3F-F1 Kiesel trucks and 8170 covers the second group with 3F-F2 buckeye trucks.


F33 - as noted 16 cars, built in 2 lots, 1938 and 1942, with 3F-F2 and 3F-F3 Buckeye trucks (no real visible difference. I built the F&C kit. Here is a brief review. The body is copy cast from an early brass car that was billed as an F33, but which in reality is a very similar C&O car. If you care, you will need to sand the "bumps" off the upper decks as they were not present on the F33. I did that and duplicated the rivets with Archers. I removed the faux wooden decking in the well and replaced it with laser cut decks by AMB. Those are beautiful, but the removal was a nightmare.... I might pass if I thought about doing it again. The trucks... ah the trucks... all three of these cars are going to use F&C's resin trucks. I tried to find metal trucks for the F33 that worked, to no avail. Railworks did make these trucks but I couldn't find a set. I ended up breaking the resin ones, and then gluing them together and using them. I also discovered that the center screw mount would not work only after setting the trucks up to do that, but there is an offset mount and I HIGHLY recommend you use it. As always with F&C, there are some additional details to add to improve the looks of the car. I do like how the model came out, but it was more work than the simple kit implied and, of course, it weighs...next to nothing.


F34 - 3 cars built, 2 in 1938 and the 3rd in 1943.


So, for shear numbers, the F29 is the winner, but either he F29 or F33 give you a workable model that can handle some unique loads.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 3:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question
 
Yes I have the little B&M kit. I am looking at these three PRR kits:

8170 - PRR F29 Depressed Center Flatcar ONE PIECE BODY with Decals and Buckeye Trucks Less Wheels $44.99

8470 - PRR F34 ONE PIECE BODY Heavy Duty Flat Car with Trucks and Decals $49.99

6940 - PRR F33 Well Hole Flatcar ONE PIECE BODY With Decals and Trucks Less Wheels $41.99

Bill Welch

HO Wine Door Locks

mike turner
 

Who makes the most accurate HO scale Wine door locks?

The target cars are various SOU steam era hoppers.

A search turned up these.

Westerfield 1171 wine door lock set of 4 $2.50

Bowser 1-74077 H21 left wine door lock $0.35

Bowser 1-74078 H21 right wine door lock $0.35

Others?

Thx.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35

Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

Scott
 

Does anybody have any information on this car in the ebay page below?  It says it was taken in 1963 but it looks like its been around for a while.  Lots of little interesting details on it lime the roof to side transition and side rivit pattern.  I wonder if this was a rebuild of a single sheathed car?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-RAILROAD-SLIDE-CHICAGO-BURLINGTON-amp-QUINCY-20507-boxcar-TEXAS-1963-/143168131329?txnId=0

Scott McDonald

Re: Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

Rupert Gamlen
 

Scott

20507 was a class XP-1A built in 1942 at Galesburg, one of only 10 in the class (20500-20509), with a mono rail and hoist, and an end door 9’ 1” x 10’.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 6:34 p.m.
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

 

Does anybody have any information on this car in the ebay page below?  It says it was taken in 1963 but it looks like its been around for a while.  Lots of little interesting details on it lime the roof to side transition and side rivit pattern.  I wonder if this was a rebuild of a single sheathed car?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-RAILROAD-SLIDE-CHICAGO-BURLINGTON-amp-QUINCY-20507-boxcar-TEXAS-1963-/143168131329?txnId=0

Scott McDonald

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Bill Welch
 

Thank you Bruce.

Bill Welch

Re: Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

mopacfirst
 

Might be possible to combine the end door from a Proto boxcar with a Proto 50' single door body.

As a general practice, 50' single door cars with end doors were very rare, and the 1942 build date suggests something specifically built for a defense plant contract.  The hoist suggests something heavy like aircraft engines.

This car is probably well documented by Burlington specialists, so I hope one enlightens us.

Ron Merrick

Re: HO Wine Door Locks

Dennis Storzek
 

If I recall correctly the Westerfield parts model the locks used on some drop bottom gons and the shape of the mounting bracket is different than for a hopper. The Bowser parts were likely designed for one of their hopper kits. You might also be able to use the hopper doors from the Accurail twin or triple hopper detail sprue, available at accurail.com. those doors have the locks molded on.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

Eric Lombard
 

Hello Everyone,

CB&Q 20500-20509
 This is a rara avis! In a series of only ten, a photo is an unexpected treat. These cars, built 1941-1942,  have inset side sills with brackets supporting the wider side sheathing. All other of the many 40-6 and 50-6 steel cars built new by the CB&Q have side sheets flush with the side sills. Maybe the 20500-20509 series are rebuilds? There is no note of this in equipment diagram but that they were built by CB&Q, Galesburg, IL. The reweigh date on #20507 looks like 5-7x? If somebody has more definitive information on this small series it would be great to hear from you!

20000-20024     25 XP-1     1940 Dreadnaught (
20025-20090     65 XP-1     1941-2 Dreadnaught (
20500-20509     10 XP-1A   1941-2 Auto end doors
20100-20199   100 XP-1B   1947 Dreadnaught Imp
20200-20299   100 XP-1B   1949 Dreadnaught Imp

1942     10  RBLT? Galesburg, IL.
1943(7)     10
1960(10)     10

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:33 AM Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
Does anybody have any information on this car in the ebay page below?  It says it was taken in 1963 but it looks like its been around for a while.  Lots of little interesting details on it lime the roof to side transition and side rivit pattern.  I wonder if this was a rebuild of a single sheathed car?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-RAILROAD-SLIDE-CHICAGO-BURLINGTON-amp-QUINCY-20507-boxcar-TEXAS-1963-/143168131329?txnId=0

Scott McDonald

Boxcar end

Paul Doggett
 

Hi
The boxcar in this photo appears to have an unusual end, what type of end is this please.
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Boxcar end

David
 

Vulcan corrugated end, as used on W&LE single-sheathed box cars. See: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/25149059

David Thompson