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Re: Always looking for tools

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Schuyler, have you used these when soldering?
Since they appear to be all plastic they might not
survive an encounter with heat.
Nelson, hang on to your clothes pins if you use
small clips during soldering.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===

Well, obviously, Rod, you have to >think< about
how you use your tools.

Schuyler

T-Z brake steps

Clark Propst
 

Hi, I'm modeling a car built in late 44 with a T-Z brake step. There's mention of that brand in RP Cyc 16, but I can't 'see' how to model one from the brief description.
As always any help in greatly appreciated!
CW Propst

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,


The kit was released last year at the PRRT&HS 50th annual meeting in Altoona. Literally a month prior, based on correspondence with Chuck, who sent me the deck drawings, I designed a mask to etch these myself... and did it. I have almost finished a TKM article on the decks. I just need to go back and alter the mask to account for the more prototypic deck width of the F&C model over the wider decks I built to the Athearn model.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, Al




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Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 5:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question
 
I just noticed this kit #8470 on the F&C website. Is it a relatively new release? Bruce, where is/was the source please for the etched deck plates?

Bill Welch

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Bill Welch
 

I just noticed this kit #8470 on the F&C website. Is it a relatively new release? Bruce, where is/was the source please for the etched deck plates?

Bill Welch

Re: What Are These?

mark_landgraf
 

These appear to be tensioning nuts for a diagonal bracing that would help transfer internal forces from shifting loads from the car end to the floor. The other end would penetrate the car floor near the body bolster. 

Remember that the corrugated car ends were to help stiffen the car ends so they could better absorb internal shock from shifting loads. 

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY


On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 3:17 PM, Rich C via Groups.Io
<rhcdmc@...> wrote:
Tim, I never seen marker brackets that low on the ends before, although to me it makes better sense when climbing the grabs and attaching them. They generally are in the middle quadrant on the ends.

Rich Christie

On Friday, March 22, 2019, 1:36:31 PM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Brackets to hold marker lamps?


On 3/22/2019 2:33 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

What is the purpose of this hardware (circled in red) on the end of the boxcar?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Bruce Smith
 

Chuck,

As soon as you did this, Steve Funaro came out with a beautiful resin kit.  I’m going to try to “Bill Welch Extreme Modeler” mine by sanding off the deck and using my etched brass deck pieces.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Mar 22, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Bill,
 
You can kit-bash the PRR F34.  See the Keystone Modeler #104, Spring 2018.
 
Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM
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Re: PRR X29 Boxcar (HO Scale) Was reservations needed

Donald B. Valentine
 

    That's certainly of interest. Thank you Garth.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: What Are These?

Donald B. Valentine
 

     To add a little more to this on truss rod cars not too much older than the DL&W car and Wabash car used to illustrate
these bolted braces the same style of castings and nuts could be found a bit lower on the ends of the cars, In that example
they were nuts on the ends of truss rods. The brace ends that you ask about, Bob, are a left over from the truss rod era.
For truss rod cars the ends of the truss rods went over the bolster and then angled up into the end of the car at a flatter angle 
than your photo indicates for the brace and sometimes they went straight from the bolster top into the end sill. I believe this was largely dependent on whether the end of the car was steel or wood construction and with the latter the truss rod end would more likely have gone straight to the end sill. Hope this further explanation helps.If not you might also look at the No. Pac. truss rod
car on pages 118 & 119 of the 1922 Car Builders Cyc. or similar drawings in almost any earlier edition. 

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: High Point Thomasville & Denton

Donald B. Valentine
 

     Thanks for the additional HPT&D photos, Bill. They sure hit the spot. Given that mine were taken in Sept. 1972 and seem to post date the latest photo by ten years I need to find it in the large box of photos and neg. I am sorting and post it as well. In my
photo the cars were painted and aluminum color and IIRC clearly stenciled "For Furniture Loading", which in the part of No. Car.
should not surprise anyone. Given that the younger generations don't like "case goods" (good quality hardwood furniture) and
seem to prefer IKEA I wonder how many of the better furniture manufacturers in that area survive as many further north no longer do.

Thanks again Bill,  Don Valentine
 

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Chuck Cover
 

Bill,

 

You can kit-bash the PRR F34.  See the Keystone Modeler #104, Spring 2018.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Bill Welch
 

Yes I have the little B&M kit. I am looking at these three PRR kits:

8170 - PRR F29 Depressed Center Flatcar ONE PIECE BODY with Decals and Buckeye Trucks Less Wheels $44.99

8470 - PRR F34 ONE PIECE BODY Heavy Duty Flat Car with Trucks and Decals $49.99

6940 - PRR F33 Well Hole Flatcar ONE PIECE BODY With Decals and Trucks Less Wheels $41.99

Bill Welch

Re: High Point Thomasville & Denton

Bill Welch
 

Sunshine offered kits for both West India Fruit and HPT&D. I have both fortunately. They were among the last offered.

BTW, it has not been mentioned but CNJ had a similar 1.5 door car, sans Duryea underframe w/a Hutchins roof, also done by Sunshine

Bill Welch

Re: What Are These?

Dennis Storzek
 

As others have said they are the anchor castings for diagonal rods that attach to the side sill in the vicinity of the body bolster. These were common on double sheathed wood frame cars with steel ends. All the NYCS 36 and 40 foot DS cars had them and the feature carried over into the USRA DS boxcar. Single sheathed cars typically made use of a flat strap for the same function.

Dennis Storzek

Re: High Point Thomasville & Denton

Roger Huber
 

Bill,

Thanks for the great pictures. That really is an interesting door. I don't think I've seen that style before. Wonder if anyone makes one in HO scale?

oldline1

Re: What Are These?

Rich C
 

Tim, I never seen marker brackets that low on the ends before, although to me it makes better sense when climbing the grabs and attaching them. They generally are in the middle quadrant on the ends.

Rich Christie

On Friday, March 22, 2019, 1:36:31 PM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Brackets to hold marker lamps?


On 3/22/2019 2:33 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

What is the purpose of this hardware (circled in red) on the end of the boxcar?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Attachments:

Re: What Are These?

Paul Doggett
 

Aa ATSF Bx11 you can clearly see the diagonal brace.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

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On 22 Mar 2019, at 18:50, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

An adjustable diagonal brace it’s quite prominent on this Wabash car the ATSF also had them on I think the Bx11 but that was external.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

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On 22 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Brackets to hold marker lamps?


On 3/22/2019 2:33 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

What is the purpose of this hardware (circled in red) on the end of the boxcar?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Attachments:

Re: What Are These?

Paul Doggett
 

An adjustable diagonal brace it’s quite prominent on this Wabash car the ATSF also had them on I think the Bx11 but that was external.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

image1.jpeg


On 22 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Brackets to hold marker lamps?


On 3/22/2019 2:33 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

What is the purpose of this hardware (circled in red) on the end of the boxcar?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Attachments:

Re: What Are These?

Tim O'Connor
 


Brackets to hold marker lamps?


On 3/22/2019 2:33 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

What is the purpose of this hardware (circled in red) on the end of the boxcar?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

What Are These?

Bob Chaparro
 

What is the purpose of this hardware (circled in red) on the end of the boxcar?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

And, if you really want more: ;)

PRR also had classes FN and FNA, that were real well hole flats. Originally 37 (!) FN were constructed between 1902 and 1915, for transporting things like ship screws, suspended in the hole on blocking, for maximum vertical clearance. Twenty FN were converted to FNA between 1926 and 1929 by putting in a floor that could be removed in pieces. That floor was only 17" above the rails. Aside from these, there were only a handful of similar cars. F&C's B&M well flat is another great model.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 12:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Hi Bill,

It appears there were only two Class F28 flats car, 435491 and 435492, both built at Altoona in August of 1927.

There were sixteen Class F33 flat cars, built in multiple orders between 1938 and 1942.

The foregoing info is from the PRRT&HS’s flat car book. Thank you Elden Gatwood and Al Buchan.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com


From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 12:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Hoping one of the PRR modelers here can can help me. Which of their Well Hole Flats was most common, their F28 or the F33?

Thank you!
Bill Welch