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Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (Arch Bar Trucks)

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Dave,
 
Regarding a breakdown of various lots of early cars indicating truck types, I’m sure what you mean by “lot” as opposed to year built, but there is a breakdown on Page 10 of the March 2004 TKM (No. 8).  That breakdown is by “Group” (A through I) as defined by Dave Soderblom that lists starting and ending numbers in the series for each group, the year(s) the group was built, and the number of cars in the group when built and per ORER data for 1940, 1950, 1953, 1959, 1963 and 1968.  The next page has a breakdown by year(s) built showing body type, door type, door track, doorstop(s), end construction. brake system, hand brake, and, finally, trucks, both “As Built” and “In-Service.”
 
That two part article, incidentally, was written by Ben Hom and provides a wealth of information on these cars, including a July 1924 builder’s photo of PRR 569430 with 2D-F1 arch bar trucks.  (That car is just begging to be modeled.)  Part 2 begins on Page 10 of the April 2004 TKM and pertains largely to X29 boxcars in express service.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Dave Parker via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 6:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (Arch Bar Trucks)
 
Bruce:

My collection of X29 photos is very meager, and I have never seen a breakdown of the various lots of early cars that indicates which trucks were installed initially (but perhaps one exists?).  The builder's photos in RPCycdo suggest that it was not a chronological progression from arch-bars to 2D-F8s -- anything but.

That said, I have exactly TWO in-service photos known to be from from the 1930s.  The one of 570826 (RW = 3-31), and the attached Hagley photo that is dated 4-5-34 (my modeling year).  Atrociously small sample size, but both do sport arch-bars.

The one X29 that I have completed has 2D-F8s, but the next one?  Hmmm...

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: HO Wine Door Locks

Bruce Smith
 

Mike,


I would go with the Westerfield. They are both made for the H21 and the Westerfields are finer detailed. The Bowser part includes the side of the door as well as the latch.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mike turner <yardcoolie1968@...>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 10:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Wine Door Locks
 
Who makes the most accurate HO scale Wine door locks?

The target cars are various SOU steam era hoppers.

A search turned up these.

Westerfield 1171 wine door lock set of 4 $2.50

Bowser 1-74077 H21 left wine door lock $0.35

Bowser 1-74078 H21 right wine door lock $0.35

Others?

Thx.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35





Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (Arch Bar Trucks)

Dave Parker
 

Bruce:

My collection of X29 photos is very meager, and I have never seen a breakdown of the various lots of early cars that indicates which trucks were installed initially (but perhaps one exists?).  The builder's photos in RPCycdo suggest that it was not a chronological progression from arch-bars to 2D-F8s -- anything but.

That said, I have exactly TWO in-service photos known to be from from the 1930s.  The one of 570826 (RW = 3-31), and the attached Hagley photo that is dated 4-5-34 (my modeling year).  Atrociously small sample size, but both do sport arch-bars.

The one X29 that I have completed has 2D-F8s, but the next one?  Hmmm...

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: HO Wine Door Locks

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Curt I just ordered some 
Fenton 


On Mar 23, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


I use the brass ones from Custom Finishing.  Available from Walthers and in stock.  I didn’t know Bowser had a detail part.  

Curt Fortenberry 


Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (Arch Bar Trucks)

Bruce Smith
 

Dave,


Actually, it appears that very few of the 1st series of cars were even built with arch bar trucks. I have photos including a builders photo of 569091, built 5-24 with 2D-F8 trucks. And yes, I have seen evidence of truck changes in far less time than 6 years. Remember, these were the "new" flagship cars, and if cars in the same series were getting newer trucks, it is not at all unreasonable to think that the PRR might have switched the trucks out on these cars, even within months of their being built. Note too that the car Claus mentioned, 570862 was built in 10-24... so newer than the one above. Not sure what was happening there or if the arch bars are a temporary replacement on this car.


In this case, lacking photo evidence of arch bars on X29s past 1932 as the extreme date, I wouldn't model them that way, any time later than about 1930, unless modeling that specific car.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 10:16 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (Arch Bar Trucks)
 
Bruce:

OK, but what is the evidence that the PRR bothered to swap out the arch-bar trucks within ~6 years of construction on the early X29s that were so equipped?  Unless somebody has a cache of photos that I have not seen, the evidence into and through the 1930s is minuscule relative to the number of cars built.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA






High Point Thomasville & Denton

David
 

HPT&D 405 is not one of the tall ARA boxes; rather, it is an ex-N&W B-7 (rebuilt from their class BS) with a 1920s Viking peaked roof (not the Viking Corrugated roof of the 1930s).

David Thompson


Re: HO Wine Door Locks

Curt Fortenberry
 


I use the brass ones from Custom Finishing.  Available from Walthers and in stock.  I didn’t know Bowser had a detail part.  

Curt Fortenberry 


Re: Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

Tim O'Connor
 


Were these cars built brand new, or were they rebuilds of older cars? I have several shots of cars without
the end doors.

Tim O'Connor


On 3/23/2019 2:50 AM, Rupert Gamlen wrote:

Scott

20507 was a class XP-1A built in 1942 at Galesburg, one of only 10 in the class (20500-20509), with a mono rail and hoist, and an end door 9’ 1” x 10’.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 6:34 p.m.
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

 

Does anybody have any information on this car in the ebay page below?  It says it was taken in 1963 but it looks like its been around for a while.  Lots of little interesting details on it lime the roof to side transition and side rivit pattern.  I wonder if this was a rebuild of a single sheathed car?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-RAILROAD-SLIDE-CHICAGO-BURLINGTON-amp-QUINCY-20507-boxcar-TEXAS-1963-/143168131329?txnId=0

Scott McDonald



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: High Point Thomasville & Denton

 

I have found these additional HPT&D boxcar photos online over the years.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, March 22, 2019 at 11:26 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] High Point Thomasville & Denton

 

Here are few photos of the interesting cars. It looks like their doors were replaced in the late 1940's/early 1950's. Maybe that is when the broad light stripe was added. I am not sure if the stripe was white or cream. The original door is very interesting to me. The attached blurb is from one of my Richard Prince books, probably ACL or SAL. Ten of the cars were sold to West India Fruit.

If I can sort our the stripe color, I might do my Sunshine model in that scheme on one side, original scheme and door on the other side.

Bill Welch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Chuck Cover
 

Bruce,

 

RE: As soon as you did this, Steve Funaro came out with a beautiful resin kit.  

 

That was not the first time that F&C has come out with a new kit at the same time that I had done a kitbash. 😊  Looking forward to your TKM article on the F34 etching.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

 

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The Keystone Modeler articles on modeling G26 gondolas

Steven D Johnson
 

Group,

 

I’ve tried searching on-line for issues 9 and 10 of The Keystone Modeler, which have articles on modeling the  G26 gondola using the E&B Valley/Eastern Car Works kit.  Does anyone have pdf’s of these articles or links to them on-line?

 

Many thanks,

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

 


Re: Boxcar end

Paul Doggett
 

David

Thank you very much.

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

On 23 Mar 2019, at 13:49, David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Vulcan corrugated end, as used on W&LE single-sheathed box cars. See: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/25149059

David Thompson



Boxcar end

David
 

Vulcan corrugated end, as used on W&LE single-sheathed box cars. See: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/25149059

David Thompson


Boxcar end

Paul Doggett
 

Hi
The boxcar in this photo appears to have an unusual end, what type of end is this please.
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

Eric Lombard
 

Hello Everyone,

CB&Q 20500-20509
 This is a rara avis! In a series of only ten, a photo is an unexpected treat. These cars, built 1941-1942,  have inset side sills with brackets supporting the wider side sheathing. All other of the many 40-6 and 50-6 steel cars built new by the CB&Q have side sheets flush with the side sills. Maybe the 20500-20509 series are rebuilds? There is no note of this in equipment diagram but that they were built by CB&Q, Galesburg, IL. The reweigh date on #20507 looks like 5-7x? If somebody has more definitive information on this small series it would be great to hear from you!

20000-20024     25 XP-1     1940 Dreadnaught (
20025-20090     65 XP-1     1941-2 Dreadnaught (
20500-20509     10 XP-1A   1941-2 Auto end doors
20100-20199   100 XP-1B   1947 Dreadnaught Imp
20200-20299   100 XP-1B   1949 Dreadnaught Imp

1942     10  RBLT? Galesburg, IL.
1943(7)     10
1960(10)     10

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:33 AM Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
Does anybody have any information on this car in the ebay page below?  It says it was taken in 1963 but it looks like its been around for a while.  Lots of little interesting details on it lime the roof to side transition and side rivit pattern.  I wonder if this was a rebuild of a single sheathed car?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-RAILROAD-SLIDE-CHICAGO-BURLINGTON-amp-QUINCY-20507-boxcar-TEXAS-1963-/143168131329?txnId=0

Scott McDonald


Re: HO Wine Door Locks

Dennis Storzek
 

If I recall correctly the Westerfield parts model the locks used on some drop bottom gons and the shape of the mounting bracket is different than for a hopper. The Bowser parts were likely designed for one of their hopper kits. You might also be able to use the hopper doors from the Accurail twin or triple hopper detail sprue, available at accurail.com. those doors have the locks molded on.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

mopacfirst
 

Might be possible to combine the end door from a Proto boxcar with a Proto 50' single door body.

As a general practice, 50' single door cars with end doors were very rare, and the 1942 build date suggests something specifically built for a defense plant contract.  The hoist suggests something heavy like aircraft engines.

This car is probably well documented by Burlington specialists, so I hope one enlightens us.

Ron Merrick


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Pennsy Well-Hole Flats Question

Bill Welch
 

Thank you Bruce.

Bill Welch


Re: Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

Rupert Gamlen
 

Scott

20507 was a class XP-1A built in 1942 at Galesburg, one of only 10 in the class (20500-20509), with a mono rail and hoist, and an end door 9’ 1” x 10’.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 6:34 p.m.
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

 

Does anybody have any information on this car in the ebay page below?  It says it was taken in 1963 but it looks like its been around for a while.  Lots of little interesting details on it lime the roof to side transition and side rivit pattern.  I wonder if this was a rebuild of a single sheathed car?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-RAILROAD-SLIDE-CHICAGO-BURLINGTON-amp-QUINCY-20507-boxcar-TEXAS-1963-/143168131329?txnId=0

Scott McDonald

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Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

Scott
 

Does anybody have any information on this car in the ebay page below?  It says it was taken in 1963 but it looks like its been around for a while.  Lots of little interesting details on it lime the roof to side transition and side rivit pattern.  I wonder if this was a rebuild of a single sheathed car?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-RAILROAD-SLIDE-CHICAGO-BURLINGTON-amp-QUINCY-20507-boxcar-TEXAS-1963-/143168131329?txnId=0

Scott McDonald

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