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Re: Ladder material?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Somebody used to make etched caboose ladders.  They were kind of a bear to assemble but you supplied wire to go through the etched stiles and soldered it all together.  The top ends of the stiles were hook-shaped so that the roof end could be bent to make an attachment tab, and since they were to be bent by the modeler, they could be made uneven to sit properly on a sloping or round roof.  I made a bunch of these for the Club’s caboose fleet.  Unfortunately I cannot recall “Somebody’s” name.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Sykes III via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:53 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ladder material?

 

You can buy caboose ladders already made with the loop in the top as parts from Athearn.

-- John

Change of Scale

Jeremy Dummler
 

All,
After many years of modeling in HO, my vision no longer will allow me to continue. I’m going to change scale upward and keep building.

That said, I have some HO equipment that now needs new homes. Anyone interested in seeing the list of kits or the photos of finished cars that are available, please contact me off-list. The equipment sold will fund the scale change.

Thank you,
Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL

Re: Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Could the cars have been built for the same type of service (aircraft parts) as the XA-14D raised roof single sheathed 50 ft DD Boxcars rebuilt in 1942 for B-26 Marauder wings and later the B-29 Superfortress fuselage housings applied to 69 FM-14 Flatcars in 1944?

Charlie Vlk  

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rupert Gamlen
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 1:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

 

Scott

20507 was a class XP-1A built in 1942 at Galesburg, one of only 10 in the class (20500-20509), with a mono rail and hoist, and an end door 9’ 1” x 10’.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 6:34 p.m.
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

 

Does anybody have any information on this car in the ebay page below?  It says it was taken in 1963 but it looks like its been around for a while.  Lots of little interesting details on it lime the roof to side transition and side rivit pattern.  I wonder if this was a rebuild of a single sheathed car?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-RAILROAD-SLIDE-CHICAGO-BURLINGTON-amp-QUINCY-20507-boxcar-TEXAS-1963-/143168131329?txnId=0

Scott McDonald

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Re: Piedmont & Northern Boxcar, another candidate for Vulcan ends

Dennis Storzek
 

As we discussed before, the ends with eight outward ribs were a Murphy product as used on an order of Pere Marquette cars, which in fact this may be because the P&N picked up a lot of second hand equipment.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Piedmont & Northern Boxcar, another candidate for Vulcan ends

Scott
 

That car is in really good shape for its age.  Looks like fresh paint for sure.  Thats an interesting car for sure.

Scott McDonald

Dollar Tree HO gondola or flat car loads

Steven D Johnson
 

Group,

 

I was in the local Dollar Tree store recently and happened to see some “Military Playset” toys.  One of the sets included an Army tank and some sort of short cylindrical apparatus mounted on a pedestal, all molded in plastic in “olive drab,” with black-painted “conduits” and silver “control boxes.”  I don’t know what these are supposed to represent, if anything, but they look similar to some industrial vessels I found on the internet.  The metal and plastic Army tank can be tossed or given to a kid. 

 

With a minimum of work, mainly on the seams on the vessel itself, and repainting, these look to make pretty good HO gondola or flat car loads.  I haven’t tried it, but it appears the vessel section could be removed from the pedestal.  There is enough space on the underside the pedestal to add weight if desired. 

 

Three of them fit nicely into a Proto 2000 gondola, as you can see here, with room for wood bracing around each unit.  These would look great as flat car loads too.

 

For $6.00 total, I bought enough for two car loads, and may go back for some more.  I  happened to be near a Dollar Tree store on the other side of Nashville, so went in to see if they had any different sets with other potential loads, but that store didn’t have any of those military sets at all.  So all stores apparently don’t carry the same items. 

 

Anyway, I thought some in the group would find this of interest.

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN 

 

 

 

Re: Piedmont & Northern Boxcar, another candidate for Vulcan ends

al_brown03
 

The P&N ends have eight "outie" ribs on each side, where the W&LE ends have six "innies".

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Piedmont & Northern Boxcar, another candidate for Vulcan ends

Bill Welch
 

After posting the info about the High Point Thomasville and Denton from the Prince book, it occurred to me that the Vulcan end car could likely be a Piedmont & Northern boxcar. Now not so sure as it appears rib count may be different. Interesting possibility however.

Bill Welch

Re: Vulcan Boxcar ends back on Shapeways

Brent Greer
 

Dr. Dave Campbell has re-released these ends on his Shapeways site:


The Vulcan vertical-rib end as used on the Wheeling 27000's has been added to my available products at Shapeways.


Brent


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 9:49 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar end
 
Vulcan corrugated end, as used on W&LE single-sheathed box cars. See:
https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/25149059

David Thompson



Re: HO Wine Door Locks

al_brown03
 

FWIW, Wine door locks are catalogued on the current Westerfield site.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: HO Wine Door Locks

Tim O'Connor
 


I concur. I've used the Westerfield wine locks and they look very good.

One other possibility might be Arrowhead Models. I don't know whether Blaine offers detail
parts yet but I think the H39 hopper cars have that detail.

Tim O'


On 3/24/2019 12:44 AM, al_westerfield wrote:

The dies were cut for me by Grandt Line.  I don’’t know if the current owner was able to retrieve them when Grandt went out of business. – Al Westerfield





I would go with the Westerfield. They are both made for the H21 and the Westerfields are finer detailed. The Bowser part includes the side of the door as well as the latch.

Bruce Smith


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: The Keystone Modeler articles on modeling G26 gondolas

Steven D Johnson
 

Thank you, George, and Mike, for responding so quickly.  I’m sure there are others in the group who appreciate these as well.

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Hollwedel via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] The Keystone Modeler articles on modeling G26 gondolas

 

Here ya go Steve

 

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
2108 Buffalo Tundra Dr
Austin, TX 78754-5960

512-796-6883

proto.nscale@...

http://special.micro-trains.com/george-hollwedel.html
http://www.atlasrr.com/special.htm
http://intermountain-railway.com/n/sr/nsr.htm
http://www.bluford-shops.com/bluford_93_014.htm

 

 

 

On Saturday, March 23, 2019, 10:09:15 AM CDT, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote:

 

 

Group,

 

I’ve tried searching on-line for issues 9 and 10 of The Keystone Modeler, which have articles on modeling the  G26 gondola using the E&B Valley/Eastern Car Works kit.  Does anyone have pdf’s of these articles or links to them on-line?

 

Many thanks,

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

 

Re: HO Wine Door Locks

O Fenton Wells
 

I used the Westerfield Wine lock castings on the Southern ARA 70 ton 3 bay hoppers and they are very nice.
Just say'in
Fenton

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 11:08 AM dahminator68 via Groups.Io <dahminator68=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Al & All:  The Wine lock dies were sent to me by Grandt Line before hey shut down.  We also received a good supply of Wine Locks (#1171 ) that should hold us until we get someone else to make them.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Saturday, March 23, 2019, 9:44 PM, al_westerfield <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

The dies were cut for me by Grandt Line.  I don’’t know if the current owner was able to retrieve them when Grandt went out of business. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HO Wine Door Locks

 

Mike,

 

I would go with the Westerfield. They are both made for the H21 and the Westerfields are finer detailed. The Bowser part includes the side of the door as well as the latch.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mike turner <yardcoolie1968@...>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 10:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Wine Door Locks

 

Who makes the most accurate HO scale Wine door locks?

The target cars are various SOU steam era hoppers.

A search turned up these.

Westerfield 1171 wine door lock set of 4 $2.50

Bowser 1-74077 H21 left wine door lock $0.35

Bowser 1-74078 H21 right wine door lock $0.35

Others?

Thx.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35



 



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Re: HO Wine Door Locks

dahminator68
 

Hello Al & All:  The Wine lock dies were sent to me by Grandt Line before hey shut down.  We also received a good supply of Wine Locks (#1171 ) that should hold us until we get someone else to make them.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...

On Saturday, March 23, 2019, 9:44 PM, al_westerfield <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

The dies were cut for me by Grandt Line.  I don’’t know if the current owner was able to retrieve them when Grandt went out of business. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HO Wine Door Locks

 

Mike,

 

I would go with the Westerfield. They are both made for the H21 and the Westerfields are finer detailed. The Bowser part includes the side of the door as well as the latch.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mike turner <yardcoolie1968@...>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 10:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Wine Door Locks

 

Who makes the most accurate HO scale Wine door locks?

The target cars are various SOU steam era hoppers.

A search turned up these.

Westerfield 1171 wine door lock set of 4 $2.50

Bowser 1-74077 H21 left wine door lock $0.35

Bowser 1-74078 H21 right wine door lock $0.35

Others?

Thx.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35



 

Re: Ladder material?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Rich,
 
I remember Taurus Products brass caboose ladders:
 
https://www.oldpullman.ch/kleinteile-rollmaterial-metall/30256-707-101-ho-caboose-ladders-kit-.html
 
These certainly look much better than any stamped and bent "ladder strip".
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Ladder material?
Speaking of ladders....
Does anyone currently manufacture metal ladder material in long pieces that can be cut to desired length?  I’ve been scratchbuilding cabooses and have found that I do not have the material to fabricate the ladders that include the rails that go up onto the roof. The individual ladder pieces need to be at least 13’ (HO) long so that the rungs can be removed along a portion and stiles bent into the roof. The only material I’ve found so far is stuff leftover from old wood kits. Ladders by Yarmouth model works are not long enough and Plastruct material does not bend sufficiently. Any ideas welcome. 

Rich Gibson
Golden, CO

Re: Kind of interesting CB&Q boxcar.

Rich C
 

There are a few other railroads that had these also, Santa Fe and New York Central to name a couple. Ted Culotta has an excellent kitbashing article in:




Rich Christie

On Saturday, March 23, 2019, 7:32:19 AM CDT, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


Might be possible to combine the end door from a Proto boxcar with a Proto 50' single door body.

As a general practice, 50' single door cars with end doors were very rare, and the 1942 build date suggests something specifically built for a defense plant contract.  The hoist suggests something heavy like aircraft engines.

This car is probably well documented by Burlington specialists, so I hope one enlightens us.

Ron Merrick

Re: Ladders for freight cars

gtws00
 

Great article Lester. Some good modeling tips.
George Toman

Re: Ladder material?

John Sykes III
 

You can buy caboose ladders already made with the loop in the top as parts from Athearn.

-- John

Re: Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (Arch Bar Trucks)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Dave,
 
There may be a typo in your email. I suspect I have the same photo, but the road number is PRR 570862, not 570826 as you stated in your email - 6 and 2 got reversed.
 
To confirm, my image is a broadside of the car, panted with circle Keystone, with a large gas holder tank in the left background of the image. And of course archbar trucks as you stated. Is yours the same?
 
The information I have on the image indicates the photo was taken Sep 1932.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reservations Needed: PRR X29 Boxcar (Arch Bar Trucks)

Bruce:

My collection of X29 photos is very meager, and I have never seen a breakdown of the various lots of early cars that indicates which trucks were installed initially (but perhaps one exists?).  The builder's photos in RPCycdo suggest that it was not a chronological progression from arch-bars to 2D-F8s -- anything but.

That said, I have exactly TWO in-service photos known to be from from the 1930s.  The one of 570826 (RW = 3-31), and the attached Hagley photo that is dated 4-5-34 (my modeling year).  Atrociously small sample size, but both do sport arch-bars.

The one X29 that I have completed has 2D-F8s, but the next one?  Hmmm...

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: HO Wine Door Locks

 

The dies were cut for me by Grandt Line.  I don’’t know if the current owner was able to retrieve them when Grandt went out of business. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HO Wine Door Locks

 

Mike,

 

I would go with the Westerfield. They are both made for the H21 and the Westerfields are finer detailed. The Bowser part includes the side of the door as well as the latch.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mike turner <yardcoolie1968@...>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 10:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Wine Door Locks

 

Who makes the most accurate HO scale Wine door locks?

The target cars are various SOU steam era hoppers.

A search turned up these.

Westerfield 1171 wine door lock set of 4 $2.50

Bowser 1-74077 H21 left wine door lock $0.35

Bowser 1-74078 H21 right wine door lock $0.35

Others?

Thx.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35