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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

gary laakso
 

Thanks, Ben!  It has the bottom sill that another throwback, Train-Miniature featured on its plastic boxcars. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mick Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 11:27 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

 

Don Valentine wrote:

"...the prototype for that Western Union car hung around on the B&M for some years in the Connecticut River Valley. Harry Frye and I first ran across it one 

Saturday in the early 1970's  at the west end of the former Greenfield, Mass. station site on a siding of the westbound Fitchburg Div. main. By the early 1980's it had been moved to the East Deerfield Yard where it sat for some additional years. From there it disappeared but whether it was simply moved again to some unknown location or scrapped I cannot state. Sorting through a large box of older negatives and photos here in recent weeks I ran across a photo of it taken in Greenfield these many years ago. I have always felt the Ambroid model was a fairly good rendition of this unusual piece of equipment. Perhaps I should find the photo again, scan it an post it here."

 

WUTX 7559 at East Deerfield MA, November 17, 1973, Steve Brayton photo, posted on George Elwood's website:

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Don Valentine wrote:
"...the prototype for that Western Union car hung around on the B&M for some years in the Connecticut River Valley. Harry Frye and I first ran across it one 
Saturday in the early 1970's  at the west end of the former Greenfield, Mass. station site on a siding of the westbound Fitchburg Div. main. By the early 1980's it had been moved to the East Deerfield Yard where it sat for some additional years. From there it disappeared but whether it was simply moved again to some unknown location or scrapped I cannot state. Sorting through a large box of older negatives and photos here in recent weeks I ran across a photo of it taken in Greenfield these many years ago. I have always felt the Ambroid model was a fairly good rendition of this unusual piece of equipment. Perhaps I should find the photo again, scan it an post it here."

WUTX 7559 at East Deerfield MA, November 17, 1973, Steve Brayton photo, posted on George Elwood's website:


Ben Hom


Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

Dennis Storzek
 

Interestingly, the Soo Line had one of these cars on their work equipment roster after WWII. Turns out the Chicago -Twin Cities telegraph line was owned by Western Union and the Soo rented a couple wires for company business. This made WU responcibilityfor the line maintenance and gang was assigned. When the Soo later bought the pole line, the assigned maintenance equipment was part of the transaction. I wouldn't doubt other roads had similar transactions.
Dennis Storzek


Re: PRR gon with some kind of metal product load

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

The Budd company was a major (road) truck-trailer and automotive supplier, particularly wheels, before,  during and after its side production of passenger railroad cars.  The Hunting Park facility was where Budd manufactured all of its original stainless early ‘30s  experimental, Burlington, ATSF, B&M, etc.  cars (and locomotive bodies) up to 1948 when all railroad care production was moved to its new Red Lion plant. Apparently the Hunting Park plant depicted currently continued in operation for some decades after 1948 producing other Budd products. 

Denny
 
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864




Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

Tony Thompson
 

Ben Hom wrote:

Ambroid Western Union Material Car ad, October 1959 issue of Model Railroader.

     I picked up one of these models at a swap meet, repaired a few "ouches," and have used it in my layout op sessions. It led me to discover that Southern Pacific, which I model, had its own telephone/telegraph lines in most areas, but also made use of Western Union lines in some other areas, and that WU did maintain its own lines. Even when the WU lines were not being used by SP, they often were built parallel to the tracks, so WU maintenance equipment is not out of place. I would never have learned any of that if I had not chosen to buy this model.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Sunshine GATX Type 17 Tank Cars - better instructions for building them

O Fenton Wells
 

Probably Tom, I’m on the road and was going from memory and at my age that’s dangerous 
Fenton 


On Mar 28, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 04:39 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
Thanks Todd, I have a couple in inventory and appreciate your help.  I built the Warren kit years ago and sorta stumbled through it.
Fenton
 
?????  The Type 17 was a GATC radial riveted tank. Sunshine's #99.x kit came with a cast tank body and wasn't offered with Warren decals. Are you thinking of Sunshine's earlier #36.x ACF insulated tank kit where you made the tank by forming a cast wrapper around a length of PVC pipe? That did come with Warren decals. Difficult kit. Both #99 and #36 kits were offered with Cities Service decals.

Tom Madden
 
 


Re: Grain Loading Limit Stencils

Bruce Smith
 

Speak for yourself, Bob, ;) Indeed, many times these lines were on the sides of the cars near, or opposite the doors. As I work on a board by board interior for my HO scale PRR X31A, I intend to have at least one door fully open to show off the interior and thus it would likely need this stenciling. Note that the reason that I am doing this is that the restorer of a prototype PRR X31A sent me some floor boars, which I am turning into HO scale floor, side and end boards for this model.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Mar 28, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

This is a good photo of the fill lines stenciled inside a boxcar to indicate the limit for loading grain by type:
Probably something none of us would model, though.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Grain Loading Limit Stencils

Bob Chaparro
 

This is a good photo of the fill lines stenciled inside a boxcar to indicate the limit for loading grain by type:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-09-30-18/X5239.jpg

Probably something none of us would model, though.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

gary laakso
 

Ben, they even used the white wash technique to highlight the under body details for us!  

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

   Actually, Ben, the prototype for that Western Union car hung around on the B&M for some years in the Connecticut River Valley. Harry Frye and I first ran across it one 
Saturday in the early 1970's  at the west end of the former Greenfield, Mass. station site on a siding of the westbound Fitchburg Div. main. By the early 1980's it had been
moved to the East Deerfield Yard where it sat for some additional years. From there it disappeared but whether it was simply moved again to some unknown location or 
scrapped I cannot state. Sorting through a large box of older negatives and photos here in recent weeks I ran across a photo of it taken in Greenfield these many years ago.
I have always felt the Ambroid model was a fairly good rendition of this unusual piece of equipment. Perhaps I should find the photo again, scan it an post it here.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Sunshine GATX Type 17 Tank Cars - better instructions for building them

Tom Madden
 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 04:39 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
Thanks Todd, I have a couple in inventory and appreciate your help.  I built the Warren kit years ago and sorta stumbled through it.
Fenton
 
?????  The Type 17 was a GATC radial riveted tank. Sunshine's #99.x kit came with a cast tank body and wasn't offered with Warren decals. Are you thinking of Sunshine's earlier #36.x ACF insulated tank kit where you made the tank by forming a cast wrapper around a length of PVC pipe? That did come with Warren decals. Difficult kit. Both #99 and #36 kits were offered with Cities Service decals.

Tom Madden
 
 


Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

Benjamin Hom
 

The Southeastern Railway Museum in Decatur, GA is restoring a Western Union tool car.


Ben Hom



Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

Peter Ness
 

Thanks to all who took the time to inform me about the intent of “hot fuel proof”. While I did build a couple balsa (or basswood…) aircraft models as a kid, they were rubber band powered. By the time I was “old enough” for motor powered aircraft, they were already made of plastic and metal. Sometimes I’m sorry to have missed some of the earlier technologies,,,,

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

 

Peter Ness asked:

"Why on the green earth would one need a cement that is “hot fuel proof”?  Was that an attempt to say non-flammable?"

 

It's meant to market the glue to the flying model airplane community.


Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The exhaust of model aircraft engines, especially when poorly adjusted, sprayed hot unburned, and partially burned, fuel and fuel-residue all over the model. I’ve seen them get quite “gooey” as a result. This often destroyed the painted finish. If it soaked in, it could weaken glue joints.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Mar 28, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

For the "hot fuel proof" question, Ambroid was also marketed to model airplane builders. 
When fueling a powered model, it was certainly possible to spill some fuel.  It would be really  
disappointing to have the engine fall off because the fuel had dissolved the wood bonds where 
it was mounted.  
Chuck Peck

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:02 AM Peter Ness <prness@...> wrote:

Ben, Thank you for continuing to post these “blasts for the past”  This ad is actually from before my time (I was  4 and did not receive my Lionel train set from Santa until two months later in that year).

 

Questions to those who may know;

What made Ambroid “The Universal” Liquid cement?

Why on the green earth would one need a cement that is “hot fuel proof”?  Was that an attempt to say non-flammable?

 

In my early modeling years, including all types of models, I used plastic cement from Testors, Revell, or Pla. One time I ended up with a tube of Duco cement which I never could figure out how to use properly and at the time was convinced it was made for neither plastic nor wood adhesion.  In my early teens I discovered Goo, which remained my go-to alternate glue (after Testors and Elmers) for many years.  For a long time I also had a tin of rubber cement which is now back in vogue as a weathering/aging material of sorts.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:31 AM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

 

Ambroid Western Union Material Car ad, October 1959 issue of Model Railroader.





Ben Hom

 





Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

Charles Peck
 

For the "hot fuel proof" question, Ambroid was also marketed to model airplane builders. 
When fueling a powered model, it was certainly possible to spill some fuel.  It would be really  
disappointing to have the engine fall off because the fuel had dissolved the wood bonds where 
it was mounted.  
Chuck Peck

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:02 AM Peter Ness <prness@...> wrote:

Ben, Thank you for continuing to post these “blasts for the past”  This ad is actually from before my time (I was  4 and did not receive my Lionel train set from Santa until two months later in that year).

 

Questions to those who may know;

What made Ambroid “The Universal” Liquid cement?

Why on the green earth would one need a cement that is “hot fuel proof”?  Was that an attempt to say non-flammable?

 

In my early modeling years, including all types of models, I used plastic cement from Testors, Revell, or Pla. One time I ended up with a tube of Duco cement which I never could figure out how to use properly and at the time was convinced it was made for neither plastic nor wood adhesion.  In my early teens I discovered Goo, which remained my go-to alternate glue (after Testors and Elmers) for many years.  For a long time I also had a tin of rubber cement which is now back in vogue as a weathering/aging material of sorts.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:31 AM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

 

Ambroid Western Union Material Car ad, October 1959 issue of Model Railroader.





Ben Hom

 


Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Peter Ness asked:
"Why on the green earth would one need a cement that is “hot fuel proof”?  Was that an attempt to say non-flammable?"

It's meant to market the glue to the flying model airplane community.

_._,_._,_


Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

Peter Ness
 

Ben, Thank you for continuing to post these “blasts for the past”  This ad is actually from before my time (I was  4 and did not receive my Lionel train set from Santa until two months later in that year).

 

Questions to those who may know;

What made Ambroid “The Universal” Liquid cement?

Why on the green earth would one need a cement that is “hot fuel proof”?  Was that an attempt to say non-flammable?

 

In my early modeling years, including all types of models, I used plastic cement from Testors, Revell, or Pla. One time I ended up with a tube of Duco cement which I never could figure out how to use properly and at the time was convinced it was made for neither plastic nor wood adhesion.  In my early teens I discovered Goo, which remained my go-to alternate glue (after Testors and Elmers) for many years.  For a long time I also had a tin of rubber cement which is now back in vogue as a weathering/aging material of sorts.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:31 AM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car

 

Ambroid Western Union Material Car ad, October 1959 issue of Model Railroader.





Ben Hom

 


Re: Off-line replies to some email addresses

Eric Hansmann
 

And I replied to the wrong list. 

Where is my coffee??


Eric


On March 28, 2019 at 6:42 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

I've noticed some email addresses are converted to a funky format on Groups.io replies. I see this for Mike's address below, and Todd's is similar.

"Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io" <mike_schleigh@...>

 


That isn't Mike's address but one that is converted to Groups.io when he posts here. Yahoo and AOL addresses seem to be converted like this. Just copy the address and paste into WORD or wordpad to edit. Remove the @groups.io portion and replace that = sign before yahoo or aol with @ and you should have a working address to reply offline. Copy your edited work and paste it into the To line of your offline message. Viola.


Eric

List admin



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On March 28, 2019 at 6:18 AM "Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io" <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:

 
Hello Todd Sullivan!

I have some material on this issue to share off line but your address is not working for me.  Please respond directly by email or call me at 724-458-7405.

Regards----Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.  724-458-7405

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 11:08:05 PM EDT, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Hello tank car resinators,

Several weeks ago, I offered to compile a better set of instructions for building Sunchine's GATX Type 17 tank cars.  They are attached as an Excel workbook.  Since I'm not sure how to load such files to the groups.io site and this group, I'll let someone else do that.

A couple of caveats: 
1) I have built 4 kits up through step 31, and I am confident that there won't be further changes in the sequence of the steps.
2)  I have not provided photos of the cars yet.  I hope to do that this weekend, and will publish another revision of the instructions when I do.

Please note that the Notes are on a separate tab in the Excel workbook.

Questions, comments and corrections are always welcome.

Todd Sullivan


 


 




 


 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Off-line replies to some email addresses

Eric Hansmann
 

I've noticed some email addresses are converted to a funky format on Groups.io replies. I see this for Mike's address below, and Todd's is similar.

"Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io" <mike_schleigh@...>


That isn't Mike's address but one that is converted to Groups.io when he posts here. Yahoo and AOL addresses seem to be converted like this. Just copy the address and paste into WORD or wordpad to edit. Remove the @groups.io portion and replace that = sign before yahoo or aol with @ and you should have a working address to reply offline. Copy your edited work and paste it into the To line of your offline message. Viola.


Eric

List admin



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On March 28, 2019 at 6:18 AM "Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io" <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:

 
Hello Todd Sullivan!

I have some material on this issue to share off line but your address is not working for me.  Please respond directly by email or call me at 724-458-7405.

Regards----Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.  724-458-7405

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 11:08:05 PM EDT, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Hello tank car resinators,

Several weeks ago, I offered to compile a better set of instructions for building Sunchine's GATX Type 17 tank cars.  They are attached as an Excel workbook.  Since I'm not sure how to load such files to the groups.io site and this group, I'll let someone else do that.

A couple of caveats: 
1) I have built 4 kits up through step 31, and I am confident that there won't be further changes in the sequence of the steps.
2)  I have not provided photos of the cars yet.  I hope to do that this weekend, and will publish another revision of the instructions when I do.

Please note that the Notes are on a separate tab in the Excel workbook.

Questions, comments and corrections are always welcome.

Todd Sullivan


 


 




Re: Ladder material?

william darnaby
 

I have made my own by forming Detail Associates flat brass to the desired shape.  The stiles are then soldered together and drilled for the rungs so the holes are assured to line up.  The stiles are then separated and reassembled like a kit with the rungs made from wire.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 1:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ladder material?

 

I'm looking for a supply of the sharp or acute angled top SP caboose ladders.  No help available from Walthers on spare parts for their SP C-30 caboose. I have bent the Athearn sheet metal stampings in the past but want a proper SP style of styles.

A robust stainless or strong flexible delrin plastic similar to what Kadee uses would be wonderful. Ironic that Kadee does make these for their N scale Microtrains C-30 caboose.

Pierre
I checked both Yarmouth and Elgin sites and did not see any reference/illustration of the former Sylvan ladders to see if they had the right style of style bend.

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