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Western Pacific Model and Decal Guide
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Friends,
Many years ago I compiled a list of HO freight car and caboose models suitable for the Western Pacific, Sacramento Northern and Tidewater Southern up to 1958. I long ago lost that list, but member R.J. Dial had a copy, and made many comments, corrections and additions. It is now revised and updated with decal suggestions. Additional material is welcome, but I reserve the right decide what is appropriate. The list is attached for your enlightenment and approval. I believe as an attachment it will be automatically saved to our group's files section. If not, I will eventually post a copy there with any changes the group wants. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
Paul R Greenwald
Built one if these in 1960 or 1961 while in high school. Still have it (packed away after downsizing). Have to dig it out when we get back from FL.
-- Paul R Greenwald PRRT&HS #1802 NMRA #129229
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
Steve SANDIFER
That was the first Ambroid Kit I ever built. I sold it a few years ago as it did not match my layout or era.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:31 AM To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
Ambroid Western Union Material Car ad, October 1959 issue of Model Railroader. Ben Hom
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
That is because they were narrow-gauge cars used on the narrow gauge parts of the Denver & Rio Grande Western in Colorado. Two of them still exist; what was once 301 is on the Cumbres & Toltec; the former 302 is at the Colorado Railroad Museum.
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John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
-----Original Message----- From: Frank Pearsall <plans@...> To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2019 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car Good evening:
I have a number of 1/4” drawings in my collection for:
Western Union Telegraph Co., Outfit Car No. 301 (32’)
Western Union Telegraph Co., Outfit Car No. 302 (32’)
Western Union Telegraph Co., Outfit Car No. 303 (32’)
Interesting they were so much shorter than the one being discussed.
Frank A. Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.
On Mar 28, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Don Valentine wrote:
"...the prototype for that Western Union car hung around on the B&M for some years in the Connecticut River Valley. Harry Frye and I first ran across it one
Saturday in the early 1970's at the west end of the former Greenfield, Mass. station site on a siding of the westbound Fitchburg Div. main. By the early 1980's it had been moved to the East Deerfield Yard where it sat for some additional years. From there it disappeared but whether it was simply moved again to some unknown location or scrapped I cannot state. Sorting through a large box of older negatives and photos here in recent weeks I ran across a photo of it taken in Greenfield these many years ago. I have always felt the Ambroid model was a fairly good rendition of this unusual piece of equipment. Perhaps I should find the photo again, scan it an post it here."
WUTX 7559 at East Deerfield MA, November 17, 1973, Steve Brayton photo, posted on George Elwood's website:
Ben Hom
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Re: Grain Loading Limit Stencils
Jack Mullen
Also of interest, at least for the unseen-interior-detail obsessive, is the inside door for the lumber door.
Jack Mullen
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
Frank Pearsall
Good evening:
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I have a number of 1/4” drawings in my collection for: Western Union Telegraph Co., Outfit Car No. 301 (32’) Western Union Telegraph Co., Outfit Car No. 302 (32’) Western Union Telegraph Co., Outfit Car No. 303 (32’) Interesting they were so much shorter than the one being discussed. Frank A. Pearsall Brevard, N.C.
On Mar 28, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote: Don Valentine wrote: "...the prototype for that Western Union car hung around on the B&M for some years in the Connecticut River Valley. Harry Frye and I first ran across it one Saturday in the early 1970's at the west end of the former Greenfield, Mass. station site on a siding of the westbound Fitchburg Div. main. By the early 1980's it had been moved to the East Deerfield Yard where it sat for some additional years. From there it disappeared but whether it was simply moved again to some unknown location or scrapped I cannot state. Sorting through a large box of older negatives and photos here in recent weeks I ran across a photo of it taken in Greenfield these many years ago. I have always felt the Ambroid model was a fairly good rendition of this unusual piece of equipment. Perhaps I should find the photo again, scan it an post it here." WUTX 7559 at East Deerfield MA, November 17, 1973, Steve Brayton photo, posted on George Elwood's website: Ben Hom _._,_._,_
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
Indeed. The Soo, the Chicago & Northwestern, the Georgia, the Nickel Plate, and the Frisco all had ex-Western Union cars among their nonrevenue equipment. The Nickel Plate seems to have had the most.
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John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
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From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Mar 28, 2019 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car Interestingly, the Soo Line had one of these cars on their work equipment roster after WWII. Turns out the Chicago -Twin Cities telegraph line was owned by Western Union and the Soo rented a couple wires for company business. This made WU responcibilityfor the line maintenance and gang was assigned. When the Soo later bought the pole line, the assigned maintenance equipment was part of the transaction. I wouldn't doubt other roads had similar transactions.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: Grain Loading Limit Stencils
On Mar 28, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
This is a good photo of the fill lines stenciled inside a boxcar to indicate the limit for loading grain by type:That does deep-end[sic] in part on the scale. I know some obsessive sorts working in larger outdoor scales who might. -- ^<@<.@* }"_# | -@$&/_% !(^I@|=> ;`+$?^? ,#"~|)^G
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
gary laakso
Thanks, Ben! It has the bottom sill that another throwback, Train-Miniature featured on its plastic boxcars.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mick Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 11:27 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
Don Valentine wrote: "...the prototype for that Western Union car hung around on the B&M for some years in the Connecticut River Valley. Harry Frye and I first ran across it one Saturday in the early 1970's at the west end of the former Greenfield, Mass. station site on a siding of the westbound Fitchburg Div. main. By the early 1980's it had been moved to the East Deerfield Yard where it sat for some additional years. From there it disappeared but whether it was simply moved again to some unknown location or scrapped I cannot state. Sorting through a large box of older negatives and photos here in recent weeks I ran across a photo of it taken in Greenfield these many years ago. I have always felt the Ambroid model was a fairly good rendition of this unusual piece of equipment. Perhaps I should find the photo again, scan it an post it here."
WUTX 7559 at East Deerfield MA, November 17, 1973, Steve Brayton photo, posted on George Elwood's website:
Ben Hom
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
Benjamin Hom
Don Valentine wrote: "...the prototype for that Western Union car hung around on the B&M for some years in the Connecticut River Valley. Harry Frye and I first ran across it one Saturday in the early 1970's at the west end of the former Greenfield, Mass. station site on a siding of the westbound Fitchburg Div. main. By the early 1980's it had been moved to the East Deerfield Yard where it sat for some additional years. From there it disappeared but whether it was simply moved again to some unknown location or scrapped I cannot state. Sorting through a large box of older negatives and photos here in recent weeks I ran across a photo of it taken in Greenfield these many years ago. I have always felt the Ambroid model was a fairly good rendition of this unusual piece of equipment. Perhaps I should find the photo again, scan it an post it here." WUTX 7559 at East Deerfield MA, November 17, 1973, Steve Brayton photo, posted on George Elwood's website: Ben Hom
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
Dennis Storzek
Interestingly, the Soo Line had one of these cars on their work equipment roster after WWII. Turns out the Chicago -Twin Cities telegraph line was owned by Western Union and the Soo rented a couple wires for company business. This made WU responcibilityfor the line maintenance and gang was assigned. When the Soo later bought the pole line, the assigned maintenance equipment was part of the transaction. I wouldn't doubt other roads had similar transactions.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: PRR gon with some kind of metal product load
Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
The Budd company was a major (road) truck-trailer and automotive supplier, particularly wheels, before, during and after its side production of passenger railroad cars. The Hunting Park facility was where Budd manufactured all of its original stainless early ‘30s experimental, Burlington, ATSF, B&M, etc. cars (and locomotive bodies) up to 1948 when all railroad care production was moved to its new Red Lion plant. Apparently the Hunting Park plant depicted currently continued in operation for some decades after 1948 producing other Budd products.
Denny Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento, CA 95864
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
Tony Thompson
Ben Hom wrote:
I picked up one of these models at a swap meet, repaired a few "ouches," and have used it in my layout op sessions. It led me to discover that Southern Pacific, which I model, had its own telephone/telegraph lines in most areas, but also made use of Western Union lines in some other areas, and that WU did maintain its own lines. Even when the WU lines were not being used by SP, they often were built parallel to the tracks, so WU maintenance equipment is not out of place. I would never have learned any of that if I had not chosen to buy this model. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Sunshine GATX Type 17 Tank Cars - better instructions for building them
Probably Tom, I’m on the road and was going from memory and at my age that’s dangerous
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Fenton
On Mar 28, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:
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Re: Grain Loading Limit Stencils
Speak for yourself, Bob, ;) Indeed, many times these lines were on the sides of the cars near, or opposite the doors. As I work on a board by board interior for my HO scale PRR X31A, I intend to have at least one door fully open to show off the interior and
thus it would likely need this stenciling. Note that the reason that I am doing this is that the restorer of a prototype PRR X31A sent me some floor boars, which I am turning into HO scale floor, side and end boards for this model.
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Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Grain Loading Limit Stencils
This is a good photo of the fill lines stenciled inside a boxcar to indicate the limit for loading grain by type: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-09-30-18/X5239.jpg Probably something none of us would model, though. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
gary laakso
Ben, they even used the white wash technique to highlight the under body details for us!
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Actually, Ben, the prototype for that Western Union car hung around on the B&M for some years in the Connecticut River Valley. Harry Frye and I first ran across it one Saturday in the early 1970's at the west end of the former Greenfield, Mass. station site on a siding of the westbound Fitchburg Div. main. By the early 1980's it had been moved to the East Deerfield Yard where it sat for some additional years. From there it disappeared but whether it was simply moved again to some unknown location or scrapped I cannot state. Sorting through a large box of older negatives and photos here in recent weeks I ran across a photo of it taken in Greenfield these many years ago. I have always felt the Ambroid model was a fairly good rendition of this unusual piece of equipment. Perhaps I should find the photo again, scan it an post it here. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Sunshine GATX Type 17 Tank Cars - better instructions for building them
Tom Madden
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 04:39 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
????? The Type 17 was a GATC radial riveted tank. Sunshine's #99.x kit came with a cast tank body and wasn't offered with Warren decals. Are you thinking of Sunshine's earlier #36.x ACF insulated tank kit where you made the tank by forming a cast wrapper around a length of PVC pipe? That did come with Warren decals. Difficult kit. Both #99 and #36 kits were offered with Cities Service decals. Tom Madden
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Ambroid Western Union Material Car
Benjamin Hom
The Southeastern Railway Museum in Decatur, GA is restoring a Western Union tool car. Ben Hom
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