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Re: Gondola Load

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Ron,

Are you talking about the WP boxcar? I'm not sure a good version has ever been offered lettered WP by anyone (lots of Athearns, but they had the wrong square corners). The most correct model is Intermountain stock number 40899, an undecorated AAR 10' 6" boxcar with 6' doors and 5/5 Dreadnaught W-section ends.

The Branchline car was their stock number 1612, a 1947 car with 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends and a 7' door. Branchline's car came with silver lettering. It should have been white, and this was corrected on the special run Branchline did for the PCR NMRA.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 4/1/19 1:18 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
Is this the Branchline model?  I built one a few years back, but I'm not sure that car is on the layout currently for me to check, and I can't immediately find the old Branchline catalog pages.  I'm not sure Atlas has re-run this car, but the Branchline kits show up all the time on eBay, or at least the ones where the number produced was in excess of the number actually sold or built.  Some less-common kits don't show up very often, but I haven't looked for this one since the one I built is in proportion to the number I needed.  I think I've probably built just about all the ones I really need, having rejected a few that just aren't close enough to be correct for me, but I counted recently and I think I'm over 70 finished ones, just over half of the total number of XM cars in service on my railroad.  I'd probably still buy a few more, especially if I want parts for something.

Ron Merrick

Re: a fun glimpse into the Western Union operation

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

I don't think these are Western Union cars. In fact, they might not be occupied camp cars at all. No smoke jacks or ventilators visible. They do look like they were originally open-end passenger cars  that had the  end platforms removed and the roofs cut back to match.

To my eyes, they most resemble early D&RGW  camp cars that were built new around 1880. The last example sat on narrow-gauge trucks at Durango for many years. If it still exists, it is more then likely the oldest surviving camp car in the world.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2019 5:08 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] a fun glimpse into the Western Union operation

John and Friends,

I wonder if the two cars to the left of the locomotives in this view are Western Union. They appear to be converted passenger or head end cars. This is Roper Yard on the D&RGW, circa 1947. Not a diesel in sight!

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmoaug02_1.html

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff
Photo Study: Lackawanna Gondola 67198

Bob Chaparro
 

Re: Gondola Load

mopacfirst
 

Sorry, the replies get separated from the original message by a day or two, but "this" refers to the WP car on the doughnut siding from the B&O photo.

Ron Merrick
Re: Gondola Load

mopacfirst
 

Is this the Branchline model?  I built one a few years back, but I'm not sure that car is on the layout currently for me to check, and I can't immediately find the old Branchline catalog pages.  I'm not sure Atlas has re-run this car, but the Branchline kits show up all the time on eBay, or at least the ones where the number produced was in excess of the number actually sold or built.  Some less-common kits don't show up very often, but I haven't looked for this one since the one I built is in proportion to the number I needed.  I think I've probably built just about all the ones I really need, having rejected a few that just aren't close enough to be correct for me, but I counted recently and I think I'm over 70 finished ones, just over half of the total number of XM cars in service on my railroad.  I'd probably still buy a few more, especially if I want parts for something.

Ron Merrick
Re: reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car

anthony wagner
 

My bad it should be 1-1-50 ORER. TW

On Monday, April 1, 2019, 11:52:08 AM CDT, anthony wagner <anycw1@...> wrote:


NJI&I, a subsidiary of the Wabash. poss ibly 3500-3599 1 car in my 1-1-80 ORER. I'd guess its a clone of several thousand WAB cars in various 40000 thru 49000 number series  with 11' or 12' doors as both ordinary XM box cars or XAR auto or XME and XAP auto parts cars. Tony Wagner
On Monday, April 1, 2019, 10:17:05 AM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
Any thoughts on the reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car shown in ght eimage linked below? The resolution is just not quite good enough...
 
 
Thanks for ideas in advance.
 
Claus Schlund
 
Re: reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car

anthony wagner
 

NJI&I, a subsidiary of the Wabash. poss ibly 3500-3599 1 car in my 1-1-80 ORER. I'd guess its a clone of several thousand WAB cars in various 40000 thru 49000 number series  with 11' or 12' doors as both ordinary XM box cars or XAR auto or XME and XAP auto parts cars. Tony Wagner

On Monday, April 1, 2019, 10:17:05 AM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
Any thoughts on the reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car shown in ght eimage linked below? The resolution is just not quite good enough...
 
 
Thanks for ideas in advance.
 
Claus Schlund
 
Re: Gondola Load

mopacfirst
 

Coming from a fellow piping engineer, I agree the cylindrical section (what I would call a spool piece) and the rectangular section are probably for air or exhaust gas rather than for water.  If there are two symmetrical or identical loads, my guess is that these were a subcontract for something specific in a bigger facility.

Ron Merrick
Re: Gondola Load

Nelson Moyer
 

Boomer Pete is a pen name used by Al Kalmbach in Model Railroader articles. He used to primarily for teaching purposes to encourage prototypical modeling and operation.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 9:03 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondola Load

 

Some of us have no idea who Boomer Pete is/was. Wondering if there is a way on the opening page of this group to have a yet to be authored and agreed upon "Ten Commandments of Freight Cars?"

Commandment 1)  XM Boxcars went everywhere

Bill Welch

Re: reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"Any thoughts on the reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car shown in [the] image linked below? The resolution is just not quite good enough..."
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM86520 

NJI&I (New Jersey, Indiana, &  Illinois), a subsidiary of the Wabash.  I don't have ORER info with me at work today, but it looks like a potential kitbash of the Walthers 50 ft fantasy automobile boxcar.


Ben Hom
reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Any thoughts on the reporting marks for the 40ft single sheathed auto box car shown in ght eimage linked below? The resolution is just not quite good enough...
 
 
Thanks for ideas in advance.
 
Claus Schlund
 
Re: Maine Central Box Car 46205

Brian Rochon
 

Thanks Todd.  You are, of course, correct.

 

Brian Rochon

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 10:55 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Maine Central Box Car 46205

 

Ummm, in that era (1920s), I think MC is Michigan Central, part of the New York Central family, not Maine Central which has reporting marks MEC.

 

Todd Sullivan
Re: Michigan Central (NOT Maine Central) Box Car 46205

Benjamin Hom
 

Brian Rochon wrote:
"Today’s edition of the Erie Lackawanna E-Mail List Photo Archive (lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo) has four high resolution images of MC 46205, a wood-sheathed truss-rod box car, circa 1928-29."

http://lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo/listthumb.cgi?erielack-04-01-19
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-04-01-19/X6495.jpg

Todd Sullivan replied:
"Ummm, in that era (1920s), I think MC is Michigan Central, part of the New York Central family, not Maine Central which has reporting marks MEC."

Todd is correct - the NYCL Oval and large "Michigan Central" reporting marks are dead giveaways.


Ben Hom 
Re: Maine Central Box Car 46205

Todd Sullivan
 

Ummm, in that era (1920s), I think MC is Michigan Central, part of the New York Central family, not Maine Central which has reporting marks MEC.

Todd Sullivan
Re: Gondola Load

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"Some of us have no idea who Boomer Pete is/was."

Boomer Pete was a pen name that Al Kalmbach used to author various articles in Model Railroader.  The specific reference here is a piece written by him detailing the mix of home and foreign road freight cars.  He logically stated the mix should be a 50-50 mix of home road and foreign road cars, with foreign road cars weighed favoring proximity to the home road.  This idea gained unwarranted legitimacy as it was repeated in of John Armstrong's "Track Planning for Realistic Operations" (still worth getting an early edition, as later editions dropped a lot of material, and both are superior to what Kalmbach is currently offering with regards to books on model railroad operation).

The problem is that depending on the type of freight cars, this isn't the case, especially with general service cars as plain boxcars and flat cars, which tend to average out to national fleet averages.  For extensive e-mails on the subject, do a search on the late Tim Gilbert's e-mails in the group archive.  Or for a nice summary, see Tony Thompson's blog entries on the subject.


Ben Hom
Maine Central Box Car 46205

Brian Rochon
 

,_Today’s edition of the Erie Lackawanna E-Mail List Photo Archive (lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo) has four high resolution images of MC 46205, a wood-sheathed truss-rod box car, circa 1928-29. New images are posted daily by Patrick McKnight, Steamtown Historian/Archivist.

 

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring, MD
Re: Gondola Load

Bill Welch
 

Some of us have no idea who Boomer Pete is/was. Wondering if there is a way on the opening page of this group to have a yet to be authored and agreed upon "Ten Commandments of Freight Cars?"

Commandment 1)  XM Boxcars went everywhere

Bill Welch
Re: Gondola Load

Benjamin Hom
 

Fred Jansz wrote:
"A Western Pacific car on the B&O! Who would have [thought] that.

Bruce Smith wrote:
"Why?  A WP car on the B&O comes as no surprise at all to me. We’ve documented repeatedly on this list that boxcars traveled the entire country."

Because Boomer Pete lives on..."The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones."  It's sad how bad information in this hobby keeps getting passed on over and over again.


Ben Hom
Re: Gondola Load

Andy Carlson
 

My first thought was of a bean separator, such as used for Lima Beans. Not at all uncommon in California. Not many photos, as these were buried inside structures. I have such a bean separator I made dozens of years ago for a San Luis Obispo building.

Of course, the device is what it is, and our consensus doesn't necessary prove anything.
-Andy Carlson

On Monday, April 1, 2019, 5:56:50 AM PDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Bruce,

Thanks for the more high res view, but it doesn’t really appear to change anything from our January discussion. It appears to either be a penstock, or some similar water piping or part of some sort of ventilation system. Looking at the boxy parts on the end, they have some irregularities that make me think that they might be temporary protection for something as opposed to a permanent part of whatever this is.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:50 PM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Group,

John King offered a much higher resolution scan for consideration. The load and gon are much clearer than in the scan I shared at first. The load is headed west from Baltimore in 1952 about 14 miles west of Baltimore. Any additional thoughts on origin or contents?  

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD

<King Sentinel Photos OML2.jpg>
Re: Gondola Load

Bruce Smith
 

Fred,

Why?  A WP car on the B&O comes as no surprise at all to me. We’ve documented repeatedly on this list that boxcars traveled the entire country.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Apr 1, 2019, at 1:06 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Tim and others interested,
WP 20243 also caught my eye immediately of course.
A Western Pacific car on the B&O!
Who would have thaught that.
However 20243 is not from the 20001-20200 'shorty' 9'6" batch (issued by Speedwitch (K-114, white or silver lettering), I own 3 of these kits, all built now), but from the  1945-built Mt Vernon batch WP 20201-20550 which has the 10'6" IH.
regards, Fred Jansz

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