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Re: poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

Steve SANDIFER
 

You said “team track.” It may be “poultry market.”

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:34 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

 

Hi List Members,

 

Consider if you will for a moment this photo taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928...

 

 

On the left side of the image, at about mid-height, is a small yard that seems to consist of team tracks. There is a string on cars visible just to the right of a gantry crane. They appear to all be poultry cars. Too bad we cannot get sharper detail on this image.

 

A second image shows a somewhat better view of these - the cars are on the right side of the image above a business that seems to have a sign saying GEORGE BLAIR...

 

 

From what I have seen, it appears to be common practice for poultry cars to be delivered as a string for unloading at team track locations near major metropolitan areas.

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: SAL AF-4 and AF-3

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Nelson. I keep trying to get better at this 


On Apr 5, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Nice work, Fenton. I like you cars, so I’m going to finally have to look at adding some Southeastern roads to my roster. At resent I have no SAL cars and only one ACL car.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SAL AF-4 and AF-3

 

Here are two cars just finished.  The AF-4 was first and I didn't do a very good job on the Kadee roofwalk, the AF-3 was second and is much better almost excellent.  I'm learning. The AF-3 was a RC 40 DD , W corner car with Speedwitch doors and decals.  And yes I learned how to apply those decals better as well, thanks to members on this list. 
The AF-4 was greatly aided by information from Pat Wider, thanks Pat.  It's basically an early welded PS-1 with modified roof and ends.  Southwest Scale doors modified to be DD's and Speedwitch decals.  Still learning how to mount the Kadee brake steps so they are horizontal and not crooked.  Practice, practice,. practice....and hopefully I'll get better.
The AF-5 is next and we are making new doors and ends in resin for that.
Fenton


Georgia & Florida

George Courtney
 

I know the Georgia & Florida had some Alternate ARA single -sheathed boxcars with Dreadnaught ends form a Culotta RMC article.  These were the 8000 series.  Outside the Clinton, Oklahoma & Western where there any other similiar cars that didn't have radial roofs but did have Dreadnaught ends in the ARA Alternate boxcars?

Thanks
George Courtney


Re: poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

Eric Hansmann
 

As I’ve learned in RPM clinics on poultry cars presented by Kristin Dummler and Kaylee Zheng, it was more efficient and successful to transport live birds to market than dressed fowl. Transporting dressed birds across long distances wasn’t possible until mechanical reefers were introduced. By that time, the trucking industry had pecked away at live poultry transport.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

 

Claus it does appear to be poultry cars in the photos. And you are correct, strings of poultry cars did stream into large metro markets, esp those that served a Jewish population. Jewish dietary rules lead Jewish housewives to prefer live birds, vs dressed birds. New York City, the largest market, received 250 poultry cars a week in the 20s & 30s. Jersey City, location of the photos, was across the river from NYC, so it’s quite possible Jersey City  was receiving poultry. But Jersey City was home to many railroad piers that served NYC. The location of the photo is adjacent to the Hoboken terminal. Its more likely the cars were for delivery to NYC via a ferry ride.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:34 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

 

Hi List Members,

 

Consider if you will for a moment this photo taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928...

 

 

On the left side of the image, at about mid-height, is a small yard that seems to consist of team tracks. There is a string on cars visible just to the right of a gantry crane. They appear to all be poultry cars. Too bad we cannot get sharper detail on this image.

 

A second image shows a somewhat better view of these - the cars are on the right side of the image above a business that seems to have a sign saying GEORGE BLAIR...

 

 

From what I have seen, it appears to be common practice for poultry cars to be delivered as a string for unloading at team track locations near major metropolitan areas.

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: SAL AF-4 and AF-3

Nelson Moyer
 

Nice work, Fenton. I like you cars, so I’m going to finally have to look at adding some Southeastern roads to my roster. At resent I have no SAL cars and only one ACL car.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 1:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SAL AF-4 and AF-3

 

Here are two cars just finished.  The AF-4 was first and I didn't do a very good job on the Kadee roofwalk, the AF-3 was second and is much better almost excellent.  I'm learning. The AF-3 was a RC 40 DD , W corner car with Speedwitch doors and decals.  And yes I learned how to apply those decals better as well, thanks to members on this list. 
The AF-4 was greatly aided by information from Pat Wider, thanks Pat.  It's basically an early welded PS-1 with modified roof and ends.  Southwest Scale doors modified to be DD's and Speedwitch decals.  Still learning how to mount the Kadee brake steps so they are horizontal and not crooked.  Practice, practice,. practice....and hopefully I'll get better.
The AF-5 is next and we are making new doors and ends in resin for that.
Fenton


Re: 2019 St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet

Richard McQuade
 

Thanks for your quick replies. I saw the site about a week ago and couldn't remember how I got the address. Now that I see it I know that I got the address - right here!!!
Richard


Re: SAL AF-4 and AF-3

Paul Doggett
 

Fenton 

A good kit bashing job, did you drill holes for the Kadee roof walk? Last time I used one I cut of the fixings pegs and used canopy glue and got good results, I do like the slogan on the car.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 5 Apr 2019, at 19:53, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Here are two cars just finished.  The AF-4 was first and I didn't do a very good job on the Kadee roofwalk, the AF-3 was second and is much better almost excellent.  I'm learning. The AF-3 was a RC 40 DD , W corner car with Speedwitch doors and decals.  And yes I learned how to apply those decals better as well, thanks to members on this list. 
The AF-4 was greatly aided by information from Pat Wider, thanks Pat.  It's basically an early welded PS-1 with modified roof and ends.  Southwest Scale doors modified to be DD's and Speedwitch decals.  Still learning how to mount the Kadee brake steps so they are horizontal and not crooked.  Practice, practice,. practice....and hopefully I'll get better.
The AF-5 is next and we are making new doors and ends in resin for that.
Fenton

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RI 133510 from flour loading topic (Look At The Boards)

Andy Carlson
 



  Dave Parker wrote:


A few more thoughts:

Last, Andy I don't think one should have to count the boards on these SS cars.  The MCB/ARA recommended practice called for 5.25" square-edge T&G on all "outside framed" cars.  So a 9-0 IL car should have about 20 boards, and a 10-0 car about 23.  I zipped through about a dozen example photos for various roads, and I couldn't find any exceptions.

****************
I have done dozens of scale drawings for mid-century freight cars years ago, and all of them had no readily available drawings to assist me. Counting boards was essential for an accurate drawing. Not all cars, I discovered, had the same board dimensions. Some GN cars had different cars from the same class series with thin board samples and broad board samples. I found cars which had different board sizes on the same car. So to me, counting boards gave me 100% accuracy for at least the one car pictured! I guess what I am trying to say is please understand that not all cars were built with same size sheathings.

All of this talk is making me want to resume pattern making, a very fun part of this hobby.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
_._,_._,_


WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 8, No 1, April, 2019

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SAL AF-4 and AF-3

O Fenton Wells
 

Here are two cars just finished.  The AF-4 was first and I didn't do a very good job on the Kadee roofwalk, the AF-3 was second and is much better almost excellent.  I'm learning. The AF-3 was a RC 40 DD , W corner car with Speedwitch doors and decals.  And yes I learned how to apply those decals better as well, thanks to members on this list. 
The AF-4 was greatly aided by information from Pat Wider, thanks Pat.  It's basically an early welded PS-1 with modified roof and ends.  Southwest Scale doors modified to be DD's and Speedwitch decals.  Still learning how to mount the Kadee brake steps so they are horizontal and not crooked.  Practice, practice,. practice....and hopefully I'll get better.
The AF-5 is next and we are making new doors and ends in resin for that.
Fenton


Re: RI 133510 from flour loading topic (Look At The Boards)

Dave Parker
 

A few more thoughts:

I can't say I am a huge fan of the Gould/Tichy USRA car.  Yes, it's better than the many that have what is essentially horizontal V-groove siding.  But the offsets between adjacent boards are exaggerated -- quite a few seem to be ~0.3 inches scale.  This would only be prototypical if the tongues (7/16" thick) had failed completely.

I don't see this on lightly or moderately weathered cars.  The most common occurrence seems to be transverse cupping of the boards, suggesting the use of flat-sawn lumber rather than the preferred/recommended quarter-sawn.  Often, but not always, there are small but irregular gaps between the boards.  Peeling paint is not uncommon, but more rarely do I see checks and splits (shakes), at least on SS box cars.  These are not grain however, which you would not be able to discern in HO scale.

Andy, I like your pattern work just fine and would buy cars with such siding if I could find them.  The only one I currently have that really fills the bill is a Sunshine 91.5 B&M XM-1 (photo attached).  I don't know who did the pattern-work for Martin here, but I think is is very well done.  I am working on this kit now, and I appreciate Andy's heads-up about not obscuring the fine detail with paint (I have high hopes for my Vallejo acrylics).

Last, Andy I don't think one should have to count the boards on these SS cars.  The MCB/ARA recommended practice called for 5.25" square-edge T&G on all "outside framed" cars.  So a 9-0 IL car should have about 20 boards, and a 10-0 car about 23.  I zipped through about a dozen example photos for various roads, and I couldn't find any exceptions.

Thanks to all for an informative discussion.  I plan to continue hectoring manufacturers about this issue, and hope that you will too.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: 2019 St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet

Eric Hansmann
 

The St Louis RPM recently changed their web address due to their host switching to a new domain (IIRC). Here’s the new link. 

I do my best to keep an RPM event calendar up to date. I am dependent upon organizers, or friends of the events, providing an event name, date, location, and web address or contact point. Here’s the link to the RPM calendar. 

I’m awaiting info on a couple of RPM set, possibly, for later this year. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:49 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Try this  www.icgdecals.com/stlrpm 
Fenton

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:43 PM Richard McQuade via Groups.Io <richardmcquade=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Can anybody direct me to the website for this meet. I tried the RPM site and there wasn't anything there. I thought that the Meet would have its own site but if it does, I can't seem to find the proper address for it.
Thanks.
Richard McQuade



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Re: 2019 St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet

O Fenton Wells
 

Try this  www.icgdecals.com/stlrpm 
Fenton

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:43 PM Richard McQuade via Groups.Io <richardmcquade=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Can anybody direct me to the website for this meet. I tried the RPM site and there wasn't anything there. I thought that the Meet would have its own site but if it does, I can't seem to find the proper address for it.
Thanks.
Richard McQuade



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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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2019 St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet

Richard McQuade
 

Can anybody direct me to the website for this meet. I tried the RPM site and there wasn't anything there. I thought that the Meet would have its own site but if it does, I can't seem to find the proper address for it.
Thanks.
Richard McQuade


Re: poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

Douglas Harding
 

Claus it does appear to be poultry cars in the photos. And you are correct, strings of poultry cars did stream into large metro markets, esp those that served a Jewish population. Jewish dietary rules lead Jewish housewives to prefer live birds, vs dressed birds. New York City, the largest market, received 250 poultry cars a week in the 20s & 30s. Jersey City, location of the photos, was across the river from NYC, so it’s quite possible Jersey City  was receiving poultry. But Jersey City was home to many railroad piers that served NYC. The location of the photo is adjacent to the Hoboken terminal. Its more likely the cars were for delivery to NYC via a ferry ride.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:34 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

 

Hi List Members,

 

Consider if you will for a moment this photo taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928...

 

 

On the left side of the image, at about mid-height, is a small yard that seems to consist of team tracks. There is a string on cars visible just to the right of a gantry crane. They appear to all be poultry cars. Too bad we cannot get sharper detail on this image.

 

A second image shows a somewhat better view of these - the cars are on the right side of the image above a business that seems to have a sign saying GEORGE BLAIR...

 

 

From what I have seen, it appears to be common practice for poultry cars to be delivered as a string for unloading at team track locations near major metropolitan areas.

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


RPM-East wrap up

Eric Hansmann
 

It’s been a busy couple of weeks catching up after traveling to the RPM-East prototype modeler meet. I’ve posted a short trip summary on my DesignBuildOp blog with links to the RPM-East photo gallery. I thank John Albert, Larry Linger, and Andy Blenko for sharing event photos to beef up the gallery.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/04/05/2019-rpm-east-wrap-up/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Consider if you will for a moment this photo taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928...
 
 
On the left side of the image, at about mid-height, is a small yard that seems to consist of team tracks. There is a string on cars visible just to the right of a gantry crane. They appear to all be poultry cars. Too bad we cannot get sharper detail on this image.
 
A second image shows a somewhat better view of these - the cars are on the right side of the image above a business that seems to have a sign saying GEORGE BLAIR...
 
 
From what I have seen, it appears to be common practice for poultry cars to be delivered as a string for unloading at team track locations near major metropolitan areas.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: RI 133510 from flour loading topic (Look At The Boards)

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

The only kit (in HO) that I know of that made an attempt to do something like this is the Gould/Tichy USRA boxcar. Instead of scribing the wood boards Bill Gould placed the alternating boards at slightly different heights, giving the impression of separate boards without the highly out of scale groves so common in most models.

Bill Daniels


Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Metal Tank Car Kits

Tony Thompson
 

Garth Groff wrote:

Thanks for the tip, but I don't have an Athearn 10K tank. I have 8Ks and a 12.5K. The Mantua is a 10K though.

    My apologies for misreading your original post. Globe did make an 8000-gallon tank, but Athearn did not, thus my comment on what Athearn called their "shorty" tank. Your 8000-gallon cars must be Globe models. I discussed the crossovers between Athearn metal tanks, and Globe tank cars, in a blog post awhile ago. You can read it here:


The two companies and their offerings should not IMO be mingled.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Metal Tank Car Kits

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tony,

Thanks for the tip, but I don't have an Athearn 10K tank. I have 8Ks and a 12.5K. The Mantua is a 10K though.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 4/4/19 7:52 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Garth Groff wrote:

I have several of these Athearn/Globe cars I've scarfed up at train shows--an 8K twin dome, two 8K single domes, and a 12.5K with a single full-height dome  . . .

    Garth, if you measure an Athearn metal "shorty" tank car, you will find it is very close to 10,000 gallons. The measurement and calculation is simple, as I showed in a blog post some time back. If you're interested, here is a link:


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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
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