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Clinic list posted for New England proto meet

Dave Owens
 

Hello all:

The 18th New England/Northeast Prototype Modelers Meet is Friday and
Saturday, May 31-June 1, 2019, at the Farmington Marriott in
Farmington, Connecticut.

This is a new location with improved facilities, including a large and
well-lit ball room for the model display area and for vendors,
manufacturers and our incredibly popular white elephant tables.

Vendors and manufacturers include Bob’s Photo, Funaro and Camerlengo,
Speedwitch Media, Yarmouth Model Works, Rocket Express, the E-L
Historical Society, Bethlehem Car Works, New England Rail Services,
Crusader Rail Services, Minuteman Scale Models/Scalecoat Paint,
Rapido, BEST Trains, Mask Island Decals, Short Line Products and the
Hobby Gallery.

A tentative clinic list and registration information is available on
our website, www.nerpm.org.

Links with our hotel code to get our special rate, which includes
breakfast and lunch, are also on our home page.

We’ll have more than 50 presentations, including several hands-on
clinics, scheduled for this year’s meet. Each night is capped by our
raffle of items donated by the hobby’s best manufacturers and
retailers.

On Sunday, several area home layouts will be open to those who attend the meet.

Registration is $30 in advance at $35 at the door. Please take the
time to register online or download a form from our site and send a
check. Preregistration lets us know people are coming!

If you have any questions, or would be interested in presenting a
clinic, please contact me at neprotomeet@gmail.com.

We hope to see you.

Thanks,

Dave Owens


Photo Study: Southern Boxcar 166561

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: Photo Study: DL & W Boxcar 12369

Dennis Storzek
 

The first photo is a good view of that diagonal tie rod anchor we discussed a while back.

Dennis Storzek


Photo Study: DL & W Boxcar 12369

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: MILWAUKEE GS drop bottom gondolas

gtws00
 

From a copy of the Milwaukee Rd Freight Car Diagram Book dated 2-4-60 there is a Diagram of the 93000 GS Drop bottom Gon and the date mentioned is Built 1949.
Brad I sent you some info off list
George Toman


Re: Attaching roofwalks, was SAL

O Fenton Wells
 

Ron, I too noticed the curl up at the ends.  On my first attempt I didn't hold the walk down in a solid way.  On the second attempt I drilled the holes a bit larger for some slack with the pins.  Held the walk down with a wood block and it is much better...except for a slight curl at the ends.  Work in progress.
Fenton


On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 8:55 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Rather than hijack another thread, I'll start a new one.

For awhile, I used quite a few Kadee roofwalks on other cars, especially pre-painted ones that had especially clunky originals or when I needed a steel one but the kit only provided a wood one.  This was after I quit using stainless ones, thin as they may be, but I got tired of spending an hour and consuming a couple of drill bits in hand drilling the holes for the corner grabs. 

With the Kadee ones, I at first trimmed off the little pins at the bottom of the end supports.  This was a mistake, because the roofwalks curled up quickly since the pins were what kept the ends in place.  So I drilled new holes for the pins, using ACC as before, and they held better.  On the roof, I did trim off the pin from the center of the lateral, but drilled and filed the holes in the roof for each of the (six?) pins along the centerline.  That was a fussy job, to get each one filed with enough play along the centerline that the walk would lay flat.  That too took some iteration.  I believe I mostly used shoe goo to hold them down, and it didn't take much.

That's the main reason why I'm a fan of the Branchline roofwalks.  By the way, some more came in the mail yesterday, so thank you, Mr. Hammill, if you're reading this.    With the Branchline roofwalks, I use plastic cement and hold them down with two or three stacks of stainless weights salvaged from CBT kits that I discarded long ago.  All you have to do is get the alignment checked at each end before you set the car aside.  Of course, I trim off the small pins and file (roughen) the space on the underside that interfaces with the roofwalk support.

For Gypsum expanded-metal roofwalks, I have a few spare Intermountain ones.  They're not great, but thin enough, and I trim off the large pins.  I bought a couple of the Kadee ones, so I guess I'll have to try those and the Morton ones.  One of the reasons I have spares is because I threw out some P-S kits when the Kadee ones, with more accurate paint and lettering, came along.  Of course I salvaged a lot of the parts other than the body.  My prototype built a lot of cars with P-S ends and/or roofs on riveted body with AAR underframe, so those will get used.

Back to Kadee, even the ones on original Kadee cars curl up at the ends sometimes.  Now my layout does often have the lights on all night (brainlessly forgetting to turn them off), but there's no outside sunlight to cause UV damage, and the temperature is reasonably constant, not too many days without heat or AC.  I'd love to know how to cure that problem, since I have several that I'll need to replace soon, and have already done so on some cars.  When the roofwalks are new in the blister pack or tube, they stay straight, including some I know are ten years or more old.  So something environmental is causing it.  The lights over the layout are fluorescent, mostly with one daylight tube and one cool while.  They're all the newer T8 in the main part of the room.

Comments?

Ron Merrick



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: SAL AF-4 and AF-3

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Jim. Yes the AF-3 was the second car and turned out much better, roofwalk wise that the AF-4.  I did learn from this group in regard to Canopy glue.  Still have a way to go however.
Fenton

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 5:23 PM James E Kubanick <jekuban@...> wrote:
Fenton,

Nice looking pair of cars. I've always had a soft spot for SAL graphics and they certainly look good here.

As to the running board issue, I'm sure you'll find a satisfactory solution through this Group. Personally, I like the Canopy Glue method.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 8:55:55 AM EDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Thanks George
fenton

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 7:35 AM gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A very nice pair of cars Fenton. Well done. I like that Black roof on the AF-3 . Well done.
George Toman



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Attaching roofwalks, was SAL

mopacfirst
 

Rather than hijack another thread, I'll start a new one.

For awhile, I used quite a few Kadee roofwalks on other cars, especially pre-painted ones that had especially clunky originals or when I needed a steel one but the kit only provided a wood one.  This was after I quit using stainless ones, thin as they may be, but I got tired of spending an hour and consuming a couple of drill bits in hand drilling the holes for the corner grabs. 

With the Kadee ones, I at first trimmed off the little pins at the bottom of the end supports.  This was a mistake, because the roofwalks curled up quickly since the pins were what kept the ends in place.  So I drilled new holes for the pins, using ACC as before, and they held better.  On the roof, I did trim off the pin from the center of the lateral, but drilled and filed the holes in the roof for each of the (six?) pins along the centerline.  That was a fussy job, to get each one filed with enough play along the centerline that the walk would lay flat.  That too took some iteration.  I believe I mostly used shoe goo to hold them down, and it didn't take much.

That's the main reason why I'm a fan of the Branchline roofwalks.  By the way, some more came in the mail yesterday, so thank you, Mr. Hammill, if you're reading this.    With the Branchline roofwalks, I use plastic cement and hold them down with two or three stacks of stainless weights salvaged from CBT kits that I discarded long ago.  All you have to do is get the alignment checked at each end before you set the car aside.  Of course, I trim off the small pins and file (roughen) the space on the underside that interfaces with the roofwalk support.

For Gypsum expanded-metal roofwalks, I have a few spare Intermountain ones.  They're not great, but thin enough, and I trim off the large pins.  I bought a couple of the Kadee ones, so I guess I'll have to try those and the Morton ones.  One of the reasons I have spares is because I threw out some P-S kits when the Kadee ones, with more accurate paint and lettering, came along.  Of course I salvaged a lot of the parts other than the body.  My prototype built a lot of cars with P-S ends and/or roofs on riveted body with AAR underframe, so those will get used.

Back to Kadee, even the ones on original Kadee cars curl up at the ends sometimes.  Now my layout does often have the lights on all night (brainlessly forgetting to turn them off), but there's no outside sunlight to cause UV damage, and the temperature is reasonably constant, not too many days without heat or AC.  I'd love to know how to cure that problem, since I have several that I'll need to replace soon, and have already done so on some cars.  When the roofwalks are new in the blister pack or tube, they stay straight, including some I know are ten years or more old.  So something environmental is causing it.  The lights over the layout are fluorescent, mostly with one daylight tube and one cool while.  They're all the newer T8 in the main part of the room.

Comments?

Ron Merrick


Re: SAL AF-4 and AF-3

James E Kubanick
 

Fenton,

Nice looking pair of cars. I've always had a soft spot for SAL graphics and they certainly look good here.

As to the running board issue, I'm sure you'll find a satisfactory solution through this Group. Personally, I like the Canopy Glue method.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 8:55:55 AM EDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Thanks George
fenton

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 7:35 AM gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A very nice pair of cars Fenton. Well done. I like that Black roof on the AF-3 . Well done.
George Toman



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Georgia & Florida

Eric Lombard
 

Hi, Bill...
The Alternate ARA design cars on those RRs are indeed in the database but do not meet George's criteria of Dreadnaught ends and peaked roof. The spreadsheet has a note that indicates if variants from these criteria are included  the number of series increases to 49.

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 12:07 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Missing from the Data Base are the Columbus & Greenville, Missouri Pacific, KCS, L&A and M&A.

Bill Welch


Volume 32 of the Nickel Plate Road Modeler's Notebook is now available!

Ray Breyer
 

The latest issue of the Nickel Plate Road Modeler’s Notebook is here!

 

http://nkphts.org/modelersnotebook/2019/April2019mn.pdf

 

This FREE online magazine is chock full of sizzling NKP modeling goodness, so download your copy today!

 

Volume 32 of the Notebook features a trip down memory lane while chasing a NKP 759 fantrip in 1970, a visit to a multi-level LE&W District layout, modeling the 17000-series 36-foot auto boxcars, and much more.

 

Ray Breyer

Elgin, IL

Editor, Nickel Plate Road Modeler’s Notebook

Contributing Editor, Nickel Plate Road Magazine

Modeling the NKP through Central Illinois in 1929


MILWAUKEE GS drop bottom gondolas

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,

I am seeking info on the build date and car series for these.    Any assistance appreciated!

Thanks,

Brad Andonian


Re: Georgia & Florida

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Missing from the Data Base are the Columbus & Greenville, Missouri Pacific, KCS, L&A and M&A.

Bill Welch


Re: Georgia & Florida

Eric Lombard
 

Good Morning, George...

I have attached the results of an abbreviated database search. Some of the series included have been identified as "Alternate ARA" in secondary references. All have Dreadnaught ends with peaked roof and other appropriate superficial visual characteristics. More information on the spreadsheet.

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 5:05 PM George Courtney via Groups.Io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I know the Georgia & Florida had some Alternate ARA single -sheathed boxcars with Dreadnaught ends form a Culotta RMC article.  These were the 8000 series.  Outside the Clinton, Oklahoma & Western where there any other similiar cars that didn't have radial roofs but did have Dreadnaught ends in the ARA Alternate boxcars?

Thanks
George Courtney


Re: SAL AF-4 and AF-3

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks George
fenton

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 7:35 AM gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A very nice pair of cars Fenton. Well done. I like that Black roof on the AF-3 . Well done.
George Toman



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: SAL AF-4 and AF-3

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Lester
fenton

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 8:44 AM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:
Fenton, fine looking cars.  Running boards not always perfect on the prototype either.  Thanks for sharing.
Lester Breuer



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: SAL AF-4 and AF-3

Lester Breuer
 

Fenton, fine looking cars.  Running boards not always perfect on the prototype either.  Thanks for sharing.
Lester Breuer


Re: SAL AF-4 and AF-3

gtws00
 

A very nice pair of cars Fenton. Well done. I like that Black roof on the AF-3 . Well done.
George Toman


Re: poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

Douglas Harding
 

An interesting comment Eric. Because dressed birds were commonly transported in leased ACF 40’ wood ice reefers from the late 20’s on. Many poultry packing houses in Iowa shipped dressed birds long before mechanical reefers existed. The proper mixture of ice and salt even allowed for shipping of frozen birds, which was just about the only way turkeys were shipped, as live turkeys do not ship well, shippers experienced high losses when attempting to ship live turkeys.

 

My understanding for the high numbers of live birds being shipped by rail was basically the kosher market. Most housewives preferred the dressed bird ready to cook variety when going to the market.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 2:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

 

As I’ve learned in RPM clinics on poultry cars presented by Kristin Dummler and Kaylee Zheng, it was more efficient and successful to transport live birds to market than dressed fowl. Transporting dressed birds across long distances wasn’t possible until mechanical reefers were introduced. By that time, the trucking industry had pecked away at live poultry transport.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

 

Claus it does appear to be poultry cars in the photos. And you are correct, strings of poultry cars did stream into large metro markets, esp those that served a Jewish population. Jewish dietary rules lead Jewish housewives to prefer live birds, vs dressed birds. New York City, the largest market, received 250 poultry cars a week in the 20s & 30s. Jersey City, location of the photos, was across the river from NYC, so it’s quite possible Jersey City  was receiving poultry. But Jersey City was home to many railroad piers that served NYC. The location of the photo is adjacent to the Hoboken terminal. Its more likely the cars were for delivery to NYC via a ferry ride.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:34 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] poultry cars - photos taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928

 

Hi List Members,

 

Consider if you will for a moment this photo taken on the DL&W in Jersey City in 1928...

 

 

On the left side of the image, at about mid-height, is a small yard that seems to consist of team tracks. There is a string on cars visible just to the right of a gantry crane. They appear to all be poultry cars. Too bad we cannot get sharper detail on this image.

 

A second image shows a somewhat better view of these - the cars are on the right side of the image above a business that seems to have a sign saying GEORGE BLAIR...

 

 

From what I have seen, it appears to be common practice for poultry cars to be delivered as a string for unloading at team track locations near major metropolitan areas.

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: 2019 St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet

Douglas Harding
 

Richard, according to John Golden about two weeks ago “Our old St. Louis RPM website died.  The new one can be found at www.icgdecals.com/stlrpm

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard McQuade via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 12:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 2019 St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet

 

Can anybody direct me to the website for this meet. I tried the RPM site and there wasn't anything there. I thought that the Meet would have its own site but if it does, I can't seem to find the proper address for it.
Thanks.
Richard McQuade

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