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WP 19531
Anyone have the skinny on this WP PS-1 box car? I -think- it was renumbered
by from what? And has it been repainted as well? The photo date is 1956 but I can't make out when the car was built. The image is a scan of a slide that I own. Tim O' -- *Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
You're right! :-D Athearn shared the roof + ends mold with their other reefer - a wood sheathed rebuild with steel ends and roof. Some have said it's an R-40-24 but...
On 4/12/2019 4:40 PM, Garth Groff
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Tim, --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
Tony Thompson
Steve Hile wrote:
Ah, mine is different. I have always thought mine to be a Varney, with a one-piece metal body that is folded to shape, with stake pockets pressed outward (that is, they are part of the body, not a separate strip). Photo below. Tony Thompson
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Re: AB brakes for sale
Ted Schnepf
Hello, Have one package of Accurail AB brakes for sale. The pack has 30 AB brakes. Only $16.00 plus first class shipping of $5.00 if needed. contact off list railsunl@... Ted
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Ben and Dave,
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At least two ATSF way cars ended their days on the Central California Traction Co. as CCT 24-25. Originally repainted all-silver in the mid-1960s, later a black stripe along the windows was added. They ended up a brilliant red with huge heralds in the 1970s. The CCT was owned equally by the WP, SP and ATSF, and often drew their equipment from the parent roads. Enclosed is one of my late father's (Glenn G. Groff) photos from around 1967. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 4/12/19 3:06 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Tim,
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Thanks for digging this list out. If it is being edited in any way, let me note the ends of the 40' steel reefer don't match the photos in Tony's PFE book. The Athearn car has 4/3 ends. The R-40-23 had 3/3 ends. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 4/12/19 12:58 PM, Tim O'Connor
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Re: You have been removed from main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
John Hagan: You tell us to stop insulting Microsoft, and then you insult Google.
Moderator. Please remove John Hagan. He's guilty of his own complaint. Morgan Bilbo, PRR fan
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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company (W.I.F.) Box Car 323
Bill Welch
Looking at the fineness of detail in this photo—ladder stiles and rungs, the post or ring at the corner of the roof grab for example—this could easily be mistaken for "O" scale I think or the the real 1-to-1 thing. The cross section of the curved portion of the ladder stile just perfect.
Really well done Lester. Bill Welch
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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company (W.I.F.) Box Car 323
Garth
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The Atlantic Coast Line acquired the reporting marks, and still owned 5 cars lettered WIF in 1963, from series 300 to 349. Perhaps someone with a 1961 or 1962 ORER can tell us more. Tim O'Connor
On 4/12/2019 3:40 PM, Garth Groff
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Lester, --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Photo: Texas & Pacific Freight Yard
Dennis Storzek
I like the Kansas City Mexico & Orient boxcar to the right in the photo. As the KCM&O was acquired by the Santa Fe in 1928 that pretty much means this is a pre-depression view.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company (W.I.F.) Box Car 323
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Lester,
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Nice model. Where did their cars go when WIF was driven out of business by the Cuban Revolution? Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 4/12/19 7:48 AM, Lester Breuer
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After receiving a request from a friend I have added a new post for West India Fruit & Steamship Company (W.I.F.) Box Car 323 to my blog. If you are interested in viewing photos of finished car and writeup of build, you can on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:
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Re: West India Fruit & Steamship Company (W.I.F.) Box Car 323
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Lester,
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Nice model. Where did their cars go when WIF was driven out of business by the Cuban Revolution? Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 4/12/19 7:48 AM, Lester Breuer
wrote:
After receiving a request from a friend I have added a new post for West India Fruit & Steamship Company (W.I.F.) Box Car 323 to my blog. If you are interested in viewing photos of finished car and writeup of build, you can on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
Here is a snap shot of the metal car. It would appear
that they were only made for a brief time, as I see a 1954 ad in MR listing 40
and 50 foot flat cars as new. Just a few years later, Athearn moved into
plastic.
I have liked this model, but struggle just what to do with
it. It has 13 stake pockets, where its UP prototype had 14. And the
lettering is mushy and has Serves All The West on both sides. It is nice
and heavy with metal underframe center sill.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 11:35 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959 I have what I have always presumed to be an Athearn metal UP
flat car where the stake pockets pop up through openings in the car side.
However, it is a 53'6" length car that someone in the past has nicely
assembled. Is that what you are thinking of, Ben, or did they do
both?
Steve Hile From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 9:44 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959 James Lackner asked:
“And did any of these (in this advertisement), ever match a specific prototype? All that I have ever seen is "similar to, but not an exact match to...." The issue with these models, specifically, the two flat cars and the tank cars is that prototype matches are coincidental rather than intentional. This is why you see the caveat “similar to, but not an exact match.” Comments on Garth’s assessments: “Some but not many. The 40' flatcar (a hold-over from the metal kits, by the way) only has a Rutland Prototype.” Again, not an exact prototype, though a good starting point for models as illustrated by John Nehrich, Kyle Williams, and Will Gill in past articles in MR and RMC. Not just Rutland either; keep in mind that the Rutland was under NYC control between 1904-1911, so their freight car fleet reflected NYC design practices. In this case, this would be Lot 344-F and 345-F flat cars, originally built for the Michigan Central, later going to CASO and NYC during the late 1930s system renumbering. http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/caso-482857.jpg The metal flat car kits feature an interesting combination of stamped metal parts and castings, including a stamped metal strip of stake pockets that fit on the inside of the carbody. “Their 40' tank car is similar to SP, WP and UP 12K tanks, but has a lot of problems as it was a retool of their foobie 3-dome tank.” Not the tank car from this ad (the 40 ft “chemical” insulated tank car), which is a further development from the tank cars that Garth describes, which are the non-insulated single and three dome tank cars. What Garth says is true, but these models are salvageable and still the only non-brass game in town for the SP, WP, ad UP 12,000 gallon tank cars. Tony Thompson has a nice writeup on how to use these models on his blog. http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/05/modeling-sp-tank-cars.html Plus another writeup on salvaging the “Chemical” tank car model: http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2010/12/upgrading-old-models-2.html “Their 40' 10'6" IH square-corner boxcar was used only by two or three
railroads.”
Specifically, the combination of 10 ft 6 in IH, 5/5 square corner Dreadnaught ends, 10-panel sides, rectangular panel roof, and Youngstown door makes this ubiquitous model good for only three railroads: IC, SOO, DSS&A. This is one of the two most ill-used models of all time, decorated in any paint and lettering scheme applied to any prototype 40 ft boxcars, and some 50 ft and 36 ft prototypes too. “The hoppers aren't too bad.” None of them were in the ad that I posted…but since we’re discussing them: - The 40 ft offset quad is the ARA standard 70-ton quadruple hopper, with details modeling B&O Class W-2. It has not aged well, and the operating doors are especially overscale and toylike. It is the second of the two most ill-used models of all time, decorated in any hopper paint and lettering scheme and copied by many other manufacturers (Tyco, Rivarossi/Roco/AHM/Mehano, Cox/Bachmann) who offered even more bogus schemes. (There are actually quite a few legitimate paint schemes for these cars.) - The three twin hopper models were actually introduced in the early 1970s, making them latecomers in the Blue Box line. The offset twin is probably the nicest model in the Blue Box line; the composite twin is nice with the exception of reusing the offset model’s tooling for the interior, resulting in interiors that make absolutely no sense; the 7-side post model is a foobie that coincidentally is close to similar PRR and Virginian prototypes. It also suffers from reusing the offset model’s interior. Bill Keene asked: “Wasn't Athearn's stock car based upon a Union Pacific prototype?” Garth replied: “Supposedly, but I understand it is so bad that I didn't mention same. I seem to remember the roof panels are backwards.” UP Class S-40-12. https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Union-Pacific/UP-Freight-Cars/i-VCQBnhr/A The roof is the biggest issue – the diagonal panels are the mirror image of the prototype. Otherwise, it’s actually not too bad. Notes on other cars in the ad: - The derrick and work caboose are imagineered models to reuse the tooling for the 40 ft flatcar. - The containers on the frozen food gon are legit models of refrigerated containers, N&W IIRC. - The TOFC flat is basically a toy, though the trailers are a start for short trailers of the era. - The Auto Loader is patterned after an experimental Evans prototype, but is shortened to fit the Athearn 50 ft flat car. http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-EARLY-AUTORACK-STORY.jpg Garth wrote: “In my view, most Athearn cars are useful as fodder for conversions” and “Some features on most Athearn cars are prototype, and could be used for slice-and-dice conversions, but you still have to get rid of all the cast-on ladders and such. Often there are, or have been, better solutions available.” There are often better solutions available…but there’s immense learning value from these projects. The plastic is easy to work with; the models and parts are abundant and inexpensive if you take your time and keep looking, and the consequences of making mistakes during the learning process are fairly low. It’s easy to turn up your nose on these models, and going with better models is preferred, but there’s still a lot of fun to be had if you want to use up the ones you already have. Ben Hom
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
Benjamin Hom
Dave Lawler wrote: "I believe the Athe[a]rn, ATSF offset cupola steel caboose is a reasonable stand in for a group of Grand Trunk Western cars." They should be - GTW acquired 34 ex-ATSF waycars and kept them in service into the 1990s. Here's a model done by George Dutka. Ben Hom
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Photo: Texas & Pacific Freight Yard
Here is a link to an undated photo of a Texas & Pacific freight yard from the Portal To Texas History website: https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth853399/m1/1/?q=boxcar There is quite a variety of freight cars in the photo and I'm sure many of you can establish a date range for this photo. One clue I see is a Santa Fe refrigerator car on the left. If you zoom in on the photo you'll notice this car has Garland ventilators on its roof. This car may be either a Class Rr-O or a Rr-P reefer. Some of the Rr-O class cars received Garland ventilators in late 1908 as a retrofit. The Rr-P reefer came into service beginning in 1910 and some of these also were equipped with Garland ventilators. Enjoy the photo. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
Benjamin Hom
Tony Thompson wrote: "Another Athearn "raw material" model of significance is the 50-foot gondola (really about 48 feet). Though it has no prototype and is evidently a shortened 52'6" car, it can be, and has been, used to model lots of prototypes, often by splicing in one more panel from a sacrifice car. It was also the basis for a Shake 'n' Take model at Cocoa Beach a few years ago, cutting it down to a 40-foot DT&I car (originally devised by Richard Hendrickson). I summarized my own construction of that project in a blog post, which if you're interested is at this link: https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/01/shake-n-take-modeling-project-dt.html The Athearn gondola's rivets are somewhat oversize and the ends useless, and the end panels on the side are an unusual arrangement . . . but the model has had its uses over the years." Richard's articles in the September/October 1982 and November/December 1982 issues of Prototype Modeler are still favorites. The second article is online at Trainlife and include C&O, DT&I, EJ&E, and SP conversions. Ben Hom
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
Dave Lawler
I believe the Athern, ATSF offset cupola steel caboose is a reasonable
stand in for a group of Grand Trunk Western cars.
Dave Lawler
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
Tony Thompson
Another Athearn "raw material" model of significance is the 50-foot gondola (really about 48 feet). Though it has no prototype and is evidently a shortened 52'6" car, it can be, and has been, used to model lots of prototypes, often by splicing in one more panel from a sacrifice car. It was also the basis for a Shake 'n' Take model at Cocoa Beach a few years ago, cutting it down to a 40-foot DT&I car (originally devised by Richard Henrickson).
I summarized my own construction of that project in a blog post, which if you're interested is at this link: The Athearn gondola's rivets are somewhat oversize and the ends useless, and the end panels on the side are an unusual arrangement . . . but the model has had its uses over the years. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Bucyrus decals?
Jerry Michels
Thanks Steve
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
Clark
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Isn't the Athearn car too tall compared to the prototype cars? That would seem to be an argument for scratch building the sides if one wanted to be completely accurate. Tim O'
On 4/12/2019 1:26 PM, Clark Propst
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I used Athearn sides on this kitbash. In retrospect might have been just as quick to scratch the sides with better sill relief. Might be done in the same amount of time it took to cut the Athearn sides loose and fix? --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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