Re: Old square bottle Floquil paints.- Floquil Crystal Cote and Barrier
qmp211
Floquil Crystal Cote and Barrier are alcohol based products and had their own thinner.
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Re: Old square bottle Floquil paints. - Original Diosol Floquil Thinner formula
qmp211
Denny, "...38% by vol toluene , 41% by vol xylene and 21% by vol Solvesso 100 ( a long evaporation rate aromatic hydrocarbon solvent ). Getting the toluene and xylene is not difficult , but the Solvesso 100 is only available through chemical suppliers" Solvesso 100 solvent is a grade of Naptha.
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Re: Doors with inside detail
Bill Welch
Or buy one of these and harvest the doors: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=menzies+metal+lineboxcar&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=menzes+boxcar&LH_TitleDesc=0
Bill Welch
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Re: Old square bottle Floquil paints.
Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
Well, Ralph Brown has it….Glaze (I found someone, i.e. me..?... had written with a Sharpie on the glass itself a barely discernible ‘GLAZE”. I never really used it extensively, but as I recall, Floquil described it as “Floquil paint base minus pigments” If I also recall correctly, when added, it did impart a slight satin or egg shell character to the finish, and it was supposed to rejuvenate diminished Floquil paints in ways that just solvents alone were not able to do..
Other old “clear” square bottle Floquil products were Crystal Cote (like gin) -an alternate to Gloss Coat-; Barrier (like ginger ale), which application was required on styrene before Floquil could be applied, and Retarder- now reportedly clear…) a very useful additive in humid/un air-conditioned climates. I am taking note of Nelson Moyer’s and Jack Burgess’s experience with Floquil thinner (I have yet to determine whether it is still available under some new name). Jeff Coleman’ s experience with Xylene alone is attractive for its simplicity. These thinners ware useful for all Floquils, i.e. old and new….right? Denny Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento, CA 95864
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Re: Old square bottle Floquil paints.
I agree with Ralph - Glaze is an "amber clear" color - I suppose it could darken although I have
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not seen that happen. Maybe it's contaminated?
On 4/14/2019 1:43 AM, Ralph W. Brown wrote:
Hi Denny, --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Walthers HO 1944 AAR modified boxcar
Randy
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I don't know what to call them other than "AAR" cars with annotations (ends, roofs, interior height, etc) but I agree that 10-0 IH was a popular size after the war. The Southern Pacific never bought any 10-6 IH 40 foot cars and acquired 26,944 (by my count) "AAR" 40 foot 10-0 cars from 1936 to 1953. Tim O'Connor In regards to the terminology, best I can tell the 10’6” IH was added as an optional standard in 1941, and didn’t change again until 1947 when the 10’0” IH was removed from
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*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Doors with inside detail
Not true, at least not in all cases. Many doors had no interior lining. This photo attached shows the back side of corrugated doors. I agree with Tony, the aluminum foil should work fine - or you can use styrene strips glued to the back side of the door. Personally I have not bothered on cars I have modeled with an open or partially open door. You can only appreciate such details in close up photography. I'm leaning more towards Hendrickson's attitude that if you can't see it (easily, during normal use), then what's the point? Not that I don't appreciate the "museum" quality stuff... ;-) Tim O'
On 4/13/2019 4:48 PM, Brian Carlson via
Groups.Io wrote:
Steve. The steel ribs, actually steel bar only appeared on the outside of superior doors. The inside would be flat steel plate. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, February 1959
And Dennis, wasn't that roof panels mistake repeated on the original Proto 2000 50 foot car ?
Inexplicible mistake in both cases, assuming both of them had either photos or drawings to work from. Tim O'Connor =================================== Another oddity that no one has mentioned is the 50' boxcar roofs all seem to be missing a panel, being 14 panels rather than the correct 15. The panels themselves should be the same width as those on the 40' car, but are not. I have no idea why. Dennis Storzek -- *Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Doors with inside detail
steve_wintner
I wonder if you could carefully make an aluminum foil impression, and then mount that to the inside of the kit door.
If you mount it and trim it carefully, it would fit into the kit door opening, and look about right even though it's not in the correct position. Seems like it might be worth a try. Have fun Steve
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Re: Doors with inside detail
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Bob,
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The message from which you are quoting is gone off my machine. Your message, and those of several others, do not quote the thread. From my limited experience journal lids on early roller bearing conversions were painted yellow on some roads for recognition by the car tonks. I see no reason silver could not be used for the same purpose. Later some lines just removed the lids upon conversion. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 4/14/19 12:04 PM, Bob Chaparro via
Groups.Io wrote:
Anyone know why the journal lids on this car were painted...apparently silver?
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Re: Doors with inside detail
StephenK
Thanks to all for the info. It turns out I was mistaken--the doors are YOUNGSTOWN. This is what happens when you are elbow deep in several projects at once. Nevertheless, Dennis's link to the N&W Historical Society gave me good info. I am thinking now of using the aluminum foil idea and reinforcing it with glue or something on the outside for strength. This will only look good from one side, but, of course, I will keep the kit door with the car in case I decide to operate the car normally.
Steve Kay
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Re: Doors with inside detail
Anyone know why the journal lids on this car were painted...apparently silver?
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Old square bottle Floquil paints.
Jack Burgess
Denny….
I have been using the same thing as Nelson is using since Floquil was discontinued and it works just like Diosol…
Jack Burgess
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 6:37 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Old square bottle Floquil paints.
Testors offered Floquil Thinner and Brush Cleaner, (F110001) as a Diosol replacement. I bought two one pint cans back then, and it seems to work fine. Diosol is a mix of xylene and toluene and probably other chemicals, but I don’t know the percentages.
Nelson Moyer
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Re: Old square bottle Floquil paints.
Nelson Moyer
Testors offered Floquil Thinner and Brush Cleaner, (F110001) as a Diosol replacement. I bought two one pint cans back then, and it seems to work fine. Diosol is a mix of xylene and toluene and probably other chemicals, but I don’t know the percentages.
Nelson Moyer
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Re: Old square bottle Floquil paints.
Jeff Coleman
I have been using Xylene for 25 years with Floquil paints. The
clear Amber could be glase or high gloss. Jeff Coleman
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 3:17 AM Al Gest <alfredgest@...> wrote: As I remember “retarder” was clear and smelled like xylene; however, “glaze” was brown or rum colored.
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Re: Old square bottle Floquil paints.
As I remember “retarder” was clear and smelled like xylene; however, “glaze” was brown or rum colored.
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On Apr 14, 2019, at 6:51 AM, Denny Anspach <danspachmd@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Old square bottle Floquil paints.
Ralph W. Brown
Hi Denny,
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It has been quite some time since I've used it, but I suspect your unlabeled bottle of "dark rum" might be Floquil "glaze." In addition to imparting some luster, as opposed to gloss, to Floquil's otherwise flat finish, I recall it was recommended for making seriously thinned Floquil less "watery." Wish I could remember exactly how Floquil put it. Pax, Ralph Brown Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
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From: Denny Anspach Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 12:51 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Old square bottle Floquil paints. I have quite a few of the older square bottle Floquil paints that are still both useful and relatively easy to use. I am running out of Diosol solvent and looking for a substitute peer-grade air brush solvent. In California we cannot purchase automobile grade high quality lacquer thinner that would probably serve, having to make do with hardware store clean up grades (or a trip to Reno). Do listers have recommendations for a good substitute? Also, I have an unopened Floquil bottle (label gone) the contents of which seems to be that akin in color and thickness of a dark rum. I suspect this is Retarder, but do not know. Any ideas? Denny S. Anspach MD Sacramento CA
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Re: Walthers HO 1944 AAR modified boxcar
naptownprr
Thanks Randy, I didn't know that.
Jim
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Randy Hammill <nhrr@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 12:55 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers HO 1944 AAR modified boxcar The Improved Dreadnaught End was a trademarked design by Standard Railway Equipment Manufacturing Co (SREM).
Randy
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Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
-- — Randy Hammill Modeling the New Haven ! Railroad 1946-1954 | https//:blog.newbritainstation.com
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Re: Old square bottle Floquil paints.
Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
Danny, I have used Scalecoat thinner for years with no issues. The unknown bottle might be gloss as I believe the FQ retarder was clear. Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Saturday, April 13, 2019, 11:51:40 PM CDT, Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...> wrote:
I have quite a few of the older square bottle Floquil paints that are still both useful and relatively easy to use. I am running out of Diosol solvent and looking for a substitute peer-grade air brush solvent. In California we cannot purchase automobile grade high quality lacquer thinner that would probably serve, having to make do with hardware store clean up grades (or a trip to Reno). Do listers have recommendations for a good substitute? Also, I have an unopened Floquil bottle (label gone) the contents of which seems to be that akin in color and thickness of a dark rum. I suspect this is Retarder, but do not know. Any ideas? Denny S. Anspach MD Sacramento CA
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Re: Walthers HO 1944 AAR modified boxcar
Randy Hammill
The Improved Dreadnaught End was a trademarked design by Standard Railway Equipment Manufacturing Co (SREM).
Randy -- Randy Hammill Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 -- — Randy Hammill Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 | https//:blog.newbritainstation.com
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