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Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Douglas Harding
 

I have not been able to open the links Clause has shared. But here is a photo containing some Carnation Milk reefers. It is of the Pacific Coast Condensed Milk Co plant of Oregon ILL., with a string of dark colored reefers lettered Carnation. They don’t match the Athearn scheme, but are Carnation reefers.

 

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/BRHS/library/photo_collections/viewer.php?library=Historical&folder=Network-Industries&image=1

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: SEEKING HELP ON AUTO CAR UNDERFRAME

Tim O'Connor
 


The cars may (probably?) have had the chain tubes like other SP A-50 class box cars, but other
than that I expect the underframes were of conventional AAR design.

Tim O'


On 4/18/2019 11:05 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
I have posted a question several times looking for help on the underframe layout for Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.
This is one of the very few times that I have not received a reply.

I may get lucky if I expanded my search a bit.  This car was built in 1947 by Pressed Steel Car Co.  Possibly someone knows about a similar car built by Pressed Steel Co. at the same time that would probably have shared the same underframe.

Thanks in advance for any leads:

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 4/4/19 1:29 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcar flour loading topic

The paper is either lining paper folded around the door post and tacked as the recent flour load photos show or paper tacked over the door opening to make a dust tight seal. Either way the ends of the roll paper stuck out past the door when it was closed. I should think narrow strips of thin paper like cigarette paper attached with matte medium should model it well.
Dennis Storzek


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Jim Gates
 

It says on the page their kits are HO scale.

Jim Gates
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On Thu, 4/18/19, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yeah, More Resin Coming
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2019, 2:42 PM

All-Interesting that a company would develop a website and not state the scale that their product targets.HO may be a default assumption but there are modelers in other scales
Charlie Vlk


SEEKING HELP ON AUTO CAR UNDERFRAME

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I have posted a question several times looking for help on the underframe layout for Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.
This is one of the very few times that I have not received a reply.

I may get lucky if I expanded my search a bit.  This car was built in 1947 by Pressed Steel Car Co.  Possibly someone knows about a similar car built by Pressed Steel Co. at the same time that would probably have shared the same underframe.

Thanks in advance for any leads:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 4/4/19 1:29 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcar flour loading topic

The paper is either lining paper folded around the door post and tacked as the recent flour load photos show or paper tacked over the door opening to make a dust tight seal. Either way the ends of the roll paper stuck out past the door when it was closed. I should think narrow strips of thin paper like cigarette paper attached with matte medium should model it well.
Dennis Storzek


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Douglas Harding
 

Charlie the 2nd paragraph on their home page states their first release is HO scale. And if you bothered to read the “about” link you will learn their primary focus is HO scale, but they do plan to offer products in other scales.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yeah, More Resin Coming

 

All-

Interesting that a company would develop a website and not state the scale that their product targets.

HO may be a default assumption but there are modelers in other scales….

Charlie Vlk

 

 

RESINATOR ALERT: Another way to be separated from your money—New Resin Company launches—http://nationalscalecar.com/

 


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Rupert Gamlen
 

See Burlington Bulletin 28 page 26

Carnation had six BREX cars, repainted in 1932, CMX 4201-4206 and 40 former FGE 36000 series cars (1933) CMX 6400-6439. They had a large red, white, green and black Carnation tin to the left of the doors. There were also Union Refrigerator Transit cars including URTX 23214 with a similar design.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NMZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 12:00 p.m.
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

 


I've yet to see a photo of any prototype "Carnation" billboard paint scheme. If they existed it would
have been most likely before the 1930's.


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Tim O'Connor
 


I've yet to see a photo of any prototype "Carnation" billboard paint scheme. If they existed it would
have been most likely before the 1930's.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

That ginormous URL doesn’t open anything.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 3:36 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

 

Hi Richard, Tony, and List Members,

 

I assume we are trying to compare the Athearn body and paint scheme shown at the link below...

 

 

with the Carnation wood reefers shown in the rediculously long link below...

 

 

 

Is that right?

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, December 1962

 

Richard Townsend wrote:

> A question I have asked before, but never gotten a suitable answer: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

  Certainly not on the Athearn body. There was a similar though not identical scheme on a pre-1934 billboard car. I suspect Athearn winged it on that one, possibly using current Carnation advertising.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history








Re: Scratchbuilding a car in styrene

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

My off-topic inquiry did reveal that lapped profile boards did make it into car interiors and floors for their intrinsic ability to provide a tighter car for grain and other loads.

And as somebody mentioned the term I was really thinking of was “lapstrake”.

I didn’t expect to see a website dedicated to Joanna’s not shiplap and I’m happy I asked.

Thanks,

Charlie Vlk


Re: Chicagoland FGEX Reefer

James E Kubanick
 

Great looking car, Bob. I have one to build and will try your clever technique on the scribing issue. Thanks for sharing with us.

Jim Kubanick

On Thursday, April 18, 2019, 11:40:22 AM EDT, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:


Very nicely done, and very innovative!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 4:36 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Hi Richard, Tony, and List Members,
 
I assume we are trying to compare the Athearn body and paint scheme shown at the link below...
 
 
with the Carnation wood reefers shown in the rediculously long link below...
 
 
 
Is that right?
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, December 1962

Richard Townsend wrote:

> A question I have asked before, but never gotten a suitable answer: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

  Certainly not on the Athearn body. There was a similar though not identical scheme on a pre-1934 billboard car. I suspect Athearn winged it on that one, possibly using current Carnation advertising.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history









Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi Richard, Tony, and List Members,
 
I assume we are trying to compare the Athearn body and paint scheme shown at the link below...
 

     Nothing at this link, Claus. But I am familiar with the white Athearn reefer scheme.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Tony Thompson
 


On Apr 18, 2019, at 1:36 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:

Hi Richard, Tony, and List Members,
 
I assume we are trying to compare the Athearn body and paint scheme shown at the link below...
 
 
with the Carnation wood reefers shown in the rediculously long link below...
 
 
 
Is that right?
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, December 1962

Richard Townsend wrote:

> A question I have asked before, but never gotten a suitable answer: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

  Certainly not on the Athearn body. There was a similar though not identical scheme on a pre-1934 billboard car. I suspect Athearn winged it on that one, possibly using current Carnation advertising.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history










is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, December 1962

Richard Townsend wrote:

> A question I have asked before, but never gotten a suitable answer: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

  Certainly not on the Athearn body. There was a similar though not identical scheme on a pre-1934 billboard car. I suspect Athearn winged it on that one, possibly using current Carnation advertising.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history









Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Interesting that a company would develop a website and not state the scale that their product targets.

HO may be a default assumption but there are modelers in other scales….

Charlie Vlk

 

 

RESINATOR ALERT: Another way to be separated from your money—New Resin Company launches—http://nationalscalecar.com/


 


Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, December 1962

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Townsend wrote:

A question I have asked before, but never gotten a suitable answer: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?
Certainly not on the Athearn body. There was a similar though not identical scheme on a pre-1934 billboard car. I suspect Athearn winged it on that one, possibly using current Carnation advertising.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Throwback Thursday: Athearn Rolling Stock Ad, Model Railroader, December 1962

Richard Townsend
 

A question I have asked before, but never gotten a suitable answer: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?


new email and Facebook page

 

Because of hackers I’ve had to start from scratch.  My new email address is almmr87@....  My new Facebook page is Al Westerfield, with a top photo of 2 freight cars, and my photo superimposed.  Any of my Facebook friends, will you please send friend requests, so I can get back up to speed.  Thanks. – Al Westerfield

 

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From: Michael Gross
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 8:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Chicagoland FGEX Reefer

 

Very nicely done, and very innovative!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

 


Re: Chicagoland FGEX Reefer

Michael Gross
 

Very nicely done, and very innovative!
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

 

To populate my new layout, I pick up freight cars with Kadee couplers at train shows.  I try to keep the average at about $4.00 apiece.  One was a Varney metal box car, at least 65 years old.  It took some doing to get the car to NMRA standards, but it runs fine now, and looks acceptable. – Al Westerfield

 

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From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 7:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Tuesday: Varney Metal Freight Car Kits

 

Lee Thwaits asked:
"My first kits were Varney wood & cardboard & Mantua metal.  When did Varney switch to metal?"


A check of Varney catalogs at HO Seeker shows the wood and cardboard kits (with stamped metal doors and ends and embossed sides) still listed in the 1948 catalog, but the 1950 catalog shows the metal kits.
https://www.hoseeker.net/varneymiscellaneous.html  

 

 

Ben Hom