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Re: End Mill Advice for ABS Plastic

Matt Goodman
 

Hi Jeff.  The first car will definitely be an experiment - both with the model and tooling/setup. With new side ribbing (vertical and horizontal), a change to the arch ends and other above-the-sill changes, I hope to get to at least a passing resemblance.

My medium-term goal is to build a train that resembles one in a 1936 aerial photo that shows a nice variety of gondolas, short/high 55t HPs and long/low 70t HUs - and a nice variety of coal grades in each.

But first, I need to cut those H2a ribs off! 

Matt Goodman
Columbus Ohio, US

On Apr 19, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Jeff Coleman <traininsp@...> wrote:

Matt

The HU was rebuilt and reclassified H3. Similar to H2/H2a but none look anything like the HU.
I've been wishing for that hopper 35 years. 

Jeff Coleman

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 4:48 PM Matt Goodman via Groups.Io <mgoodman312=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all.  I recently purchased a set of BLI N&W H2a hopper cars with the intent of back-dating them to something resembling an HU. Based on what I know, H2a’s are identical to H2s, which were rebuilt HUs.  So I figure the car is as good as any for a starting point, from a dimensions point of view.  Back dating the three hoppers to four might be a problem, but I’m ignoring that minor detail for now.

One of the back-dating steps is removing the vertical side ribs - the HU had fewer side panels than their offspring. I’m considering doing that with my mill.  Here’s my ask: I’m looking for advice on an appropriate end mill cutter type for use on plastic. My limited experience with milling has been confined to aluminum and brass, and on projects where surface finish wasn’t a driving factor.

I suspect I would need four flute, relatively small diameter mill to reduce bite and the possibility of tearing?  Advice on that and other related guidance is greatly welcome.

Matt Goodman
Columbus Ohio US




Re: End Mill Advice for ABS

Jeff Coleman
 

Matt

The HU was rebuilt and reclassified H3. Similar to H2/H2a but none look anything like the HU.
I've been wishing for that hopper 35 years. 

Jeff Coleman

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 4:48 PM Matt Goodman via Groups.Io <mgoodman312=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all.  I recently purchased a set of BLI N&W H2a hopper cars with the intent of back-dating them to something resembling an HU. Based on what I know, H2a’s are identical to H2s, which were rebuilt HUs.  So I figure the car is as good as any for a starting point, from a dimensions point of view.  Back dating the three hoppers to four might be a problem, but I’m ignoring that minor detail for now.

One of the back-dating steps is removing the vertical side ribs - the HU had fewer side panels than their offspring. I’m considering doing that with my mill.  Here’s my ask: I’m looking for advice on an appropriate end mill cutter type for use on plastic. My limited experience with milling has been confined to aluminum and brass, and on projects where surface finish wasn’t a driving factor.

I suspect I would need four flute, relatively small diameter mill to reduce bite and the possibility of tearing?  Advice on that and other related guidance is greatly welcome.

Matt Goodman
Columbus Ohio US



End Mill Advice for ABS

Matt Goodman
 

Hi all. I recently purchased a set of BLI N&W H2a hopper cars with the intent of back-dating them to something resembling an HU. Based on what I know, H2a’s are identical to H2s, which were rebuilt HUs. So I figure the car is as good as any for a starting point, from a dimensions point of view. Back dating the three hoppers to four might be a problem, but I’m ignoring that minor detail for now.

One of the back-dating steps is removing the vertical side ribs - the HU had fewer side panels than their offspring. I’m considering doing that with my mill. Here’s my ask: I’m looking for advice on an appropriate end mill cutter type for use on plastic. My limited experience with milling has been confined to aluminum and brass, and on projects where surface finish wasn’t a driving factor.

I suspect I would need four flute, relatively small diameter mill to reduce bite and the possibility of tearing? Advice on that and other related guidance is greatly welcome.

Matt Goodman
Columbus Ohio US


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Gents

I support Claus and Charlie; I too looked at the website soon after it was announced, and I believe the first release of the website did not mention what scale the kits were.  Since the site owner appears to have access in some way to what is said on this group, I will also make the comment that even now, the updated version does not make it particularly obvious what scale the kits are either - you have to read for quite a bit before encountering any mention of the scale.  It is far more user-friendly to be able to see at a glance the most relevant points concerning scale, era etc. in the title, not buried in the body of the description. 

In the same vein, it perhaps also needs to be clearer that the user must supply an Intermountain boxcar, by using bold text, underlining, colour highlight or suchlike.  After years of communicating information to people 'on the shop floor' who were building the ships that I was designing, I can speak from hard experience that it is just making life hard for yourself to assume everyone will pick out the important bits from what is written in front of them.

FWIW, I don't model in HO, and I have made life a bit harder for myself by restricting my era to pre-WW2, but I nevertheless find it very helpful in extending my knowledge when manufacturers, who have hopefully done their research quite carefully, include details of the era that a particular model/product are applicable to.

Regards
Paul Woods

Whangarei, NZ
NYCSHS #7172


Nscale markings

Andy Carlson
 

Only a pet peeve, but I find ioften in my postings of items for sale over the years that there are often some zellots who seem to fill their life's mission by asking "what Scale" for items with no mentioned scale. Aside from their latent wish to have more N scale items offered, I feel this is their way of bullying. People, if a scale is not mentioned, ASSUME that it is the defacto HO item.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Resin car Works kit update

Eric Hansmann
 

A Resin Car Works kit update has been posted to the RCW blog. A couple of new kits are coming soon.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/april-rcw-kit-updates/

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

 


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Thank you to National Scale Car for adding the Scale to the website.

There are a good number of N Scalers who are interested in correct STMFCs and do buy resin and rapid prototyped cars when offered in 1/160.   Admittedly, not as big a market as HO but still there….at least in pure numbers the volume of unbuilt kits on our shelves are less……

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 8:42 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yeah, More Resin Coming

 

Hi Don, Charlie, and List Members,

 

Don, I think Charlie DID reading all that was presented.

 

The web page you saw (and what we still see as of today) is NOT the same as the web page Charlie saw just a little while ago - the page has been changed. Someone (site owner maybe?) updated the page in the meantime to now indicate this is an HO scale endeavor. I myself had looked at the web site when Bill Welch first posted a link to it, and I also specifically noted in my mind that there was NO INDICATION of what scale was being discussed at that point in time.

 

I assume someone got back to the site owner, mentioned this, and they made a correction/update.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 6:19 AM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yeah, More Resin Coming

 

    Begging your pardon Charlie but you have made the same mistake that many of us often make of not reading all that is presented. The National Scale Car announcement makes it clear that their first intent is to produce HO Scale mini-kits to

enable modelers to use commonly available kits for conversion into more accurate National Steel Car prototypes built for the CNR and CPR with NSC III ends between 1954 and 1956. How much more clkear can they be?

 

My best, Don Valentine


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Douglas Harding
 

Actually Claus, your photo showing Carnation cars is taken at a different plant in a different state. Your photo is labeled as Berlin Wisconsin, the photo I linked is Oregon Illinois. Pacific Coast Condensed Milk had numerous plants around the country. It was actually started in the state of Washington in 1899 by EA Stuart. The name was changed to Carnation at a later time, but I suspect the lettering painted on buildings stayed for some time.

 

Here are a couple of links with information about the company.

 

https://www.milkproductsinc.com/aboutMilkProducts/companyHistory

https://carnationfarms.org/our-story/

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 9:27 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

 

Hi List Members,

 

Thanks everyone for letting me know I'm having a bad link day... sigh.

 

Perhaps we can try this without links - I will attach the images instead.

 

Attached are images of...

 

* the Athearn model

 

* Carnation prototype wood reefers - note the prototype image was taken at the same location as the photo linked by Doug Harding, but it is a different photo than Doug's showing the plant from a different vantage point.

 

* the drawing from Burlington Bulletin 28 page 26

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Nestle reefer?

Marty McGuirk
 

I'll go ahead and tack this question on to this thread. 


I know in "later" years (post 1950 or so) some NADX cars were painted blue and white and stenciled for Nestle. 


Can anyone provide photo evidence of earlier steam era freight cars (1920-1930) painted for Nestle service?


There was a Nestle Condensed Milk Plant along the Central Vermont during that time - I've seen some photos of cars spotted at the plant, but never a "Nestle" car. 


Just curious, with all this Carnation talk I figured I go ahead and ask. 


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, VA

 

On April 19, 2019 at 11:27 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I don't think they are dark. The photo is dark. The cars probably are orange or orange-yellow.


On 4/19/2019 12:53 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

I have not been able to open the links Clause has shared. But here is a photo containing some Carnation Milk reefers. It is of the Pacific Coast Condensed Milk Co plant of Oregon ILL., with a string of dark colored reefers lettered Carnation. They don’t match the Athearn scheme, but are Carnation reefers.

 

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/BRHS/library/photo_collections/viewer.php?library=Historical&folder=Network-Industries&image=1

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org



 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


 


Offered: Duane Buck Painted OMI GN MoW flatcar w/ signature

Andy Carlson
 


Hello-

I have a special maintenance of way Great Northern Flat car. Duane Buck recognized the accuracy of an Overland Models UP flat car. By adding rails and end beams, Duane made an accurate model of GN X 65368, a company service flat used for shipping locomotives and rolling stock after wrecks.

Offered for $129, shipping of $10 added for the US.  I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, PayPal is accepted. Contact me off-list for more (and better) pictures at <midcentury@...>
thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming (HO Scale Was NOT Stated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Yesterday morning there was NO scale indicated on the Home and About pages.
I contacted the owner who told me he planned to issues kits in other scale so that is why no scale was stated on those tabs.
He obviously changed his mind when he realized this was a marketing blunder.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't think they are dark. The photo is dark. The cars probably are orange or orange-yellow.


On 4/19/2019 12:53 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

I have not been able to open the links Clause has shared. But here is a photo containing some Carnation Milk reefers. It is of the Pacific Coast Condensed Milk Co plant of Oregon ILL., with a string of dark colored reefers lettered Carnation. They don’t match the Athearn scheme, but are Carnation reefers.

 

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/BRHS/library/photo_collections/viewer.php?library=Historical&folder=Network-Industries&image=1

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Bob Chaparro
 

The link didn't work because it was doubled.
This works: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/FE0AAOSwldlcrRWz/s-l1600.jpg
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Thanks everyone for letting me know I'm having a bad link day... sigh.
 
Perhaps we can try this without links - I will attach the images instead.
 
Attached are images of...
 
* the Athearn model
 
* Carnation prototype wood reefers - note the prototype image was taken at the same location as the photo linked by Doug Harding, but it is a different photo than Doug's showing the plant from a different vantage point.
 
* the drawing from Burlington Bulletin 28 page 26
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Don, Charlie, and List Members,
 
Don, I think Charlie DID reading all that was presented.
 
The web page you saw (and what we still see as of today) is NOT the same as the web page Charlie saw just a little while ago - the page has been changed. Someone (site owner maybe?) updated the page in the meantime to now indicate this is an HO scale endeavor. I myself had looked at the web site when Bill Welch first posted a link to it, and I also specifically noted in my mind that there was NO INDICATION of what scale was being discussed at that point in time.
 
I assume someone got back to the site owner, mentioned this, and they made a correction/update.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yeah, More Resin Coming

    Begging your pardon Charlie but you have made the same mistake that many of us often make of not reading all that is presented. The National Scale Car announcement makes it clear that their first intent is to produce HO Scale mini-kits to
enable modelers to use commonly available kits for conversion into more accurate National Steel Car prototypes built for the CNR and CPR with NSC III ends between 1954 and 1956. How much more clkear can they be?

My best, Don Valentine


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 09:53 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
with a string of dark colored reefers lettered Carnation.
When I see period photos of reefers where the black lettering disappears into the car side (note there appears to be two lines of lettering under the name) I immediately think orthochromatic film, and assume the sides are really yellow. Orthochromatic film characteristically renders yellows as very dark gray. If the sides were actually painted this dark, the lettering would have been a light color for contrast. I think the cars are really standard 'reefer' yellow with FCR ends (note the end lettering is white).

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Begging your pardon Charlie but you have made the same mistake that many of us often make of not reading all that is presented. The National Scale Car announcement makes it clear that their first intent is to produce HO Scale mini-kits to
enable modelers to use commonly available kits for conversion into more accurate National Steel Car prototypes built for the CNR and CPR with NSC III ends between 1954 and 1956. How much more clkear can they be?

My best, Don Valentine


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Richard Townsend
 

I’ve seen the URTX and FGE cars. They’re yellow with a single milk can. The Athearn car is white with two milk cans.

I’ve also seen a photo of a Carnation reefer that looks nothing like any of the above. It’s in the Carnation corporate history from last century some time (I don’t have access to my copy at this time to describe it).


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Douglas Harding
 

I have not been able to open the links Clause has shared. But here is a photo containing some Carnation Milk reefers. It is of the Pacific Coast Condensed Milk Co plant of Oregon ILL., with a string of dark colored reefers lettered Carnation. They don’t match the Athearn scheme, but are Carnation reefers.

 

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/BRHS/library/photo_collections/viewer.php?library=Historical&folder=Network-Industries&image=1

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: SEEKING HELP ON AUTO CAR UNDERFRAME

Tim O'Connor
 


The cars may (probably?) have had the chain tubes like other SP A-50 class box cars, but other
than that I expect the underframes were of conventional AAR design.

Tim O'


On 4/18/2019 11:05 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
I have posted a question several times looking for help on the underframe layout for Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.
This is one of the very few times that I have not received a reply.

I may get lucky if I expanded my search a bit.  This car was built in 1947 by Pressed Steel Car Co.  Possibly someone knows about a similar car built by Pressed Steel Co. at the same time that would probably have shared the same underframe.

Thanks in advance for any leads:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 4/4/19 1:29 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcar flour loading topic

The paper is either lining paper folded around the door post and tacked as the recent flour load photos show or paper tacked over the door opening to make a dust tight seal. Either way the ends of the roll paper stuck out past the door when it was closed. I should think narrow strips of thin paper like cigarette paper attached with matte medium should model it well.
Dennis Storzek


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts