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Resin car Works kit update

Eric Hansmann
 

A Resin Car Works kit update has been posted to the RCW blog. A couple of new kits are coming soon.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/april-rcw-kit-updates/

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

 


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Thank you to National Scale Car for adding the Scale to the website.

There are a good number of N Scalers who are interested in correct STMFCs and do buy resin and rapid prototyped cars when offered in 1/160.   Admittedly, not as big a market as HO but still there….at least in pure numbers the volume of unbuilt kits on our shelves are less……

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 8:42 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yeah, More Resin Coming

 

Hi Don, Charlie, and List Members,

 

Don, I think Charlie DID reading all that was presented.

 

The web page you saw (and what we still see as of today) is NOT the same as the web page Charlie saw just a little while ago - the page has been changed. Someone (site owner maybe?) updated the page in the meantime to now indicate this is an HO scale endeavor. I myself had looked at the web site when Bill Welch first posted a link to it, and I also specifically noted in my mind that there was NO INDICATION of what scale was being discussed at that point in time.

 

I assume someone got back to the site owner, mentioned this, and they made a correction/update.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 6:19 AM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yeah, More Resin Coming

 

    Begging your pardon Charlie but you have made the same mistake that many of us often make of not reading all that is presented. The National Scale Car announcement makes it clear that their first intent is to produce HO Scale mini-kits to

enable modelers to use commonly available kits for conversion into more accurate National Steel Car prototypes built for the CNR and CPR with NSC III ends between 1954 and 1956. How much more clkear can they be?

 

My best, Don Valentine


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Douglas Harding
 

Actually Claus, your photo showing Carnation cars is taken at a different plant in a different state. Your photo is labeled as Berlin Wisconsin, the photo I linked is Oregon Illinois. Pacific Coast Condensed Milk had numerous plants around the country. It was actually started in the state of Washington in 1899 by EA Stuart. The name was changed to Carnation at a later time, but I suspect the lettering painted on buildings stayed for some time.

 

Here are a couple of links with information about the company.

 

https://www.milkproductsinc.com/aboutMilkProducts/companyHistory

https://carnationfarms.org/our-story/

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 9:27 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

 

Hi List Members,

 

Thanks everyone for letting me know I'm having a bad link day... sigh.

 

Perhaps we can try this without links - I will attach the images instead.

 

Attached are images of...

 

* the Athearn model

 

* Carnation prototype wood reefers - note the prototype image was taken at the same location as the photo linked by Doug Harding, but it is a different photo than Doug's showing the plant from a different vantage point.

 

* the drawing from Burlington Bulletin 28 page 26

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Nestle reefer?

Marty McGuirk
 

I'll go ahead and tack this question on to this thread. 


I know in "later" years (post 1950 or so) some NADX cars were painted blue and white and stenciled for Nestle. 


Can anyone provide photo evidence of earlier steam era freight cars (1920-1930) painted for Nestle service?


There was a Nestle Condensed Milk Plant along the Central Vermont during that time - I've seen some photos of cars spotted at the plant, but never a "Nestle" car. 


Just curious, with all this Carnation talk I figured I go ahead and ask. 


Marty McGuirk

Gainesville, VA

 

On April 19, 2019 at 11:27 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I don't think they are dark. The photo is dark. The cars probably are orange or orange-yellow.


On 4/19/2019 12:53 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

I have not been able to open the links Clause has shared. But here is a photo containing some Carnation Milk reefers. It is of the Pacific Coast Condensed Milk Co plant of Oregon ILL., with a string of dark colored reefers lettered Carnation. They don’t match the Athearn scheme, but are Carnation reefers.

 

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/BRHS/library/photo_collections/viewer.php?library=Historical&folder=Network-Industries&image=1

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org



 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


 


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Andy Carlson
 


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Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming (HO Scale Was NOT Stated)

Bob Chaparro
 

Yesterday morning there was NO scale indicated on the Home and About pages.
I contacted the owner who told me he planned to issues kits in other scale so that is why no scale was stated on those tabs.
He obviously changed his mind when he realized this was a marketing blunder.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't think they are dark. The photo is dark. The cars probably are orange or orange-yellow.


On 4/19/2019 12:53 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

I have not been able to open the links Clause has shared. But here is a photo containing some Carnation Milk reefers. It is of the Pacific Coast Condensed Milk Co plant of Oregon ILL., with a string of dark colored reefers lettered Carnation. They don’t match the Athearn scheme, but are Carnation reefers.

 

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/BRHS/library/photo_collections/viewer.php?library=Historical&folder=Network-Industries&image=1

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Bob Chaparro
 

The link didn't work because it was doubled.
This works: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/FE0AAOSwldlcrRWz/s-l1600.jpg
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Thanks everyone for letting me know I'm having a bad link day... sigh.
 
Perhaps we can try this without links - I will attach the images instead.
 
Attached are images of...
 
* the Athearn model
 
* Carnation prototype wood reefers - note the prototype image was taken at the same location as the photo linked by Doug Harding, but it is a different photo than Doug's showing the plant from a different vantage point.
 
* the drawing from Burlington Bulletin 28 page 26
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Don, Charlie, and List Members,
 
Don, I think Charlie DID reading all that was presented.
 
The web page you saw (and what we still see as of today) is NOT the same as the web page Charlie saw just a little while ago - the page has been changed. Someone (site owner maybe?) updated the page in the meantime to now indicate this is an HO scale endeavor. I myself had looked at the web site when Bill Welch first posted a link to it, and I also specifically noted in my mind that there was NO INDICATION of what scale was being discussed at that point in time.
 
I assume someone got back to the site owner, mentioned this, and they made a correction/update.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yeah, More Resin Coming

    Begging your pardon Charlie but you have made the same mistake that many of us often make of not reading all that is presented. The National Scale Car announcement makes it clear that their first intent is to produce HO Scale mini-kits to
enable modelers to use commonly available kits for conversion into more accurate National Steel Car prototypes built for the CNR and CPR with NSC III ends between 1954 and 1956. How much more clkear can they be?

My best, Don Valentine


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 09:53 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
with a string of dark colored reefers lettered Carnation.
When I see period photos of reefers where the black lettering disappears into the car side (note there appears to be two lines of lettering under the name) I immediately think orthochromatic film, and assume the sides are really yellow. Orthochromatic film characteristically renders yellows as very dark gray. If the sides were actually painted this dark, the lettering would have been a light color for contrast. I think the cars are really standard 'reefer' yellow with FCR ends (note the end lettering is white).

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Begging your pardon Charlie but you have made the same mistake that many of us often make of not reading all that is presented. The National Scale Car announcement makes it clear that their first intent is to produce HO Scale mini-kits to
enable modelers to use commonly available kits for conversion into more accurate National Steel Car prototypes built for the CNR and CPR with NSC III ends between 1954 and 1956. How much more clkear can they be?

My best, Don Valentine


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Richard Townsend
 

I’ve seen the URTX and FGE cars. They’re yellow with a single milk can. The Athearn car is white with two milk cans.

I’ve also seen a photo of a Carnation reefer that looks nothing like any of the above. It’s in the Carnation corporate history from last century some time (I don’t have access to my copy at this time to describe it).


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Douglas Harding
 

I have not been able to open the links Clause has shared. But here is a photo containing some Carnation Milk reefers. It is of the Pacific Coast Condensed Milk Co plant of Oregon ILL., with a string of dark colored reefers lettered Carnation. They don’t match the Athearn scheme, but are Carnation reefers.

 

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/BRHS/library/photo_collections/viewer.php?library=Historical&folder=Network-Industries&image=1

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: SEEKING HELP ON AUTO CAR UNDERFRAME

Tim O'Connor
 


The cars may (probably?) have had the chain tubes like other SP A-50 class box cars, but other
than that I expect the underframes were of conventional AAR design.

Tim O'


On 4/18/2019 11:05 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
I have posted a question several times looking for help on the underframe layout for Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.
This is one of the very few times that I have not received a reply.

I may get lucky if I expanded my search a bit.  This car was built in 1947 by Pressed Steel Car Co.  Possibly someone knows about a similar car built by Pressed Steel Co. at the same time that would probably have shared the same underframe.

Thanks in advance for any leads:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 4/4/19 1:29 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcar flour loading topic

The paper is either lining paper folded around the door post and tacked as the recent flour load photos show or paper tacked over the door opening to make a dust tight seal. Either way the ends of the roll paper stuck out past the door when it was closed. I should think narrow strips of thin paper like cigarette paper attached with matte medium should model it well.
Dennis Storzek


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Jim Gates
 

It says on the page their kits are HO scale.

Jim Gates
--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 4/18/19, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yeah, More Resin Coming
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2019, 2:42 PM

All-Interesting that a company would develop a website and not state the scale that their product targets.HO may be a default assumption but there are modelers in other scales
Charlie Vlk


SEEKING HELP ON AUTO CAR UNDERFRAME

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I have posted a question several times looking for help on the underframe layout for Southern Pacific A-50-16 40' auto car.
This is one of the very few times that I have not received a reply.

I may get lucky if I expanded my search a bit.  This car was built in 1947 by Pressed Steel Car Co.  Possibly someone knows about a similar car built by Pressed Steel Co. at the same time that would probably have shared the same underframe.

Thanks in advance for any leads:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 4/4/19 1:29 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcar flour loading topic

The paper is either lining paper folded around the door post and tacked as the recent flour load photos show or paper tacked over the door opening to make a dust tight seal. Either way the ends of the roll paper stuck out past the door when it was closed. I should think narrow strips of thin paper like cigarette paper attached with matte medium should model it well.
Dennis Storzek


Re: Yeah, More Resin Coming

Douglas Harding
 

Charlie the 2nd paragraph on their home page states their first release is HO scale. And if you bothered to read the “about” link you will learn their primary focus is HO scale, but they do plan to offer products in other scales.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Yeah, More Resin Coming

 

All-

Interesting that a company would develop a website and not state the scale that their product targets.

HO may be a default assumption but there are modelers in other scales….

Charlie Vlk

 

 

RESINATOR ALERT: Another way to be separated from your money—New Resin Company launches—http://nationalscalecar.com/

 


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Rupert Gamlen
 

See Burlington Bulletin 28 page 26

Carnation had six BREX cars, repainted in 1932, CMX 4201-4206 and 40 former FGE 36000 series cars (1933) CMX 6400-6439. They had a large red, white, green and black Carnation tin to the left of the doors. There were also Union Refrigerator Transit cars including URTX 23214 with a similar design.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NMZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, 19 April 2019 12:00 p.m.
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

 


I've yet to see a photo of any prototype "Carnation" billboard paint scheme. If they existed it would
have been most likely before the 1930's.


Re: is there a prototype for the paint scheme on the Carnation reefer?

Tim O'Connor
 


I've yet to see a photo of any prototype "Carnation" billboard paint scheme. If they existed it would
have been most likely before the 1930's.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts