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Re: SP stock cars being loaded with what appears to be crates of fruit

Bob Chaparro
 

This may explain the livestock cars:

" The Virden Packing Company was a meat and fruit canner and fruit packer with origins in Sacramento but eventually headquartered in San Francisco. The Virden Company was incorporated in 1919[1]. The company started out as a meat packer, but expanded in 1919-1922 into the canned fruit business, describing themselves as "A New California Packer"[2]. Supposedly, peaches was one of their specialties. Both meat and fruit were canned under the Campfire brand.

The company had major stockyards in South San Francisco (next to Swift)[4] and Sacramento. Starting around 1920, Virden bought several canneries in succession, first buying Emeryville's Western Canning in May 1921[5] from the Chinese-American Mee family. They then bought United Canneries of Oakland at the foot of 9th Street in 1922, according to February 1922 Canning Age The United Canneries plant had cost $500,000 to build, and had a capacity of 400,000 cases. "H.L. Lafler, industrial engineer, undertook the transfer." Virden also bought the then-idle Salsina Packing and Canning Company on Lincoln Ave. in San Jose for $115,000, hoping to use it for fruit and meat canning[6]. Wholesale Grocery Review  says that 8,000 tons of fruit will be canned there. There were also signs that Virden owned Pioneer Fruit Company in 1920's according to lawsuit from Zellerbach Paper going after Virden for unpaid bills. Virden also canned olives for the California Olive Growers Association according to Pacific Rural Press, Oct. 15, 1921. Western Canner and Packer  similarly mentioned that they'd be handling the entire pack for the association through the Emeryville and Tulare canneries."

From: http://vasonabranch.com/packing_houses/index.php?title=Virden_Packing

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Carbon Black

Bob Chaparro
 

Santa Fe Railway advertisement promoting carbon black. Only one partial photo of a carbon black hopper being loaded.

https://ia800702.us.archive.org/12/items/SantaFeRailroad1939A/Santa%20Fe%20Railroad%20-1939A.jpg

Click on image to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Petaluma & Santa Rosa freight cars

Tim O'Connor
 


A friend of mine (now deceased) had an entire album of P&SR photographs that he found
at a flea market. I sure wish I knew what became of his incredible collection of photos. I was
worried they'd disappear and knowing what was in the collection I haven't seen any of them
surface so far, even after a few years...

Tim O'


On 4/22/2019 11:07 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
I don't know if Petaluma & Santa Rosa freight cars were interchanged or not, but they were rarely photographed.
 
Here are two box cars, at the link below.
 
 
Some general information on the railroad can be gotten at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

steel gon OSL 25703 in 1910 Sacramento CA

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A great view of steel gon OSL 25703 in 1910 Sacramento CA...
 
 
More info at the link below.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

SP stock cars being loaded with what appears to be crates of fruit

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Linked below is a great image showing SP stock cars being loaded with what appears to be crates of fruit in 1924. The image is large and high resolution, it may take a while to download...
 
 
Additional info can be found at the link below.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

Petaluma & Santa Rosa freight cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I don't know if Petaluma & Santa Rosa freight cars were interchanged or not, but they were rarely photographed.
 
Here are two box cars, at the link below.
 
 
Some general information on the railroad can be gotten at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

Re: [GNgoat] WFEX express reefer in pullman green?

Doug Paasch
 

I don’t know if the CSRM site has photos.  The link was to www.archive.org and they do have CSRM photos there, along with a lot of other stuff.  I never knew until getting this link on the GN group that archive.org had any railroad stuff.  I’ve been using that site for years to get old radio programs.  Now I see it has train stuff, too!

 

Here is a link to a collection from CSRM on archive.org  https://archive.org/details/californiastaterailroadmuseum?&sort=-downloads&page=2

 

And thanks for confirming the color of the WFE reefer.

 

Doug Paasch

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [GNgoat] WFEX express reefer in pullman green?

 

Not sure about the expert part but I think this car is probably something like Pullman Green with white or Dulux gold stenciling.

Doug or anyone, I am curious has the CSRM started digitizing and posting their photo collection?

Bill Welch

Re: Tarbell Standard Oil Book

Eric Hansmann
 

Ida Tarbell’s work is also available as a PDF download. Here’s one of the sites.

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7196550M/The_history_of_the_Standard_Oil_Company.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 7:52 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tarbell Standard Oil Book

 

Good Friends,

In the past we've talked about an early work on Standard Oil. I'm not sure if this is same the book, but a reprint of Ida Tarbell's 1904 THE HISTORY OF THE STANDARD OIL COMPANY is currently available in remainder from my favorite bookseller. Edward R. Hamilton ( HamiltonBook.com ) has the book in paperback for $11.95. Shipping and handling is $4 (order online and its $4 per book; print the order out and pay by check and it is a flat rate of $4 no matter how many books you order). Sales taxes for most states are now being collected. Their stock number is 2804395.

I'm not connected in any way with Hamilton, except as a satisfied customer.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

AMB SP caboose

Paul Doggett
 

Just finished the AMB caboose I was a good kit to build after the Wright Trak SP caboose. The ladders were a bit fiddly but they do provide a jig which helps.





Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Re: [GNgoat] WFEX express reefer in pullman green?

Bill Welch
 

Not sure about the expert part but I think this car is probably something like Pullman Green with white or Dulux gold stenciling.

Doug or anyone, I am curious has the CSRM started digitizing and posting their photo collection?

Bill Welch

Re: HO combo kit-WP/MP/ToP 50' auto boxcar resin/plastic

Rich C
 

Andy  If not spoken for,  I will take it

Rich Christie 

On Sunday, April 21, 2019, 8:48:44 PM CDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Hello-

Today I was clearing out some areas of my upstairs and came across a box with resin casting culls, parts I cast about 23 years ago and deemed not saleable due to some air bubble pockets.

The WP 50' double door auto box resin car parts inspired me to make a shameless plug for getting some lunch money. Many know that MDC/Roundhouse brought out a styrene kit for the same prototype and with molded on ladders, grabs and brake gear some work is required to do a Richard Hendrickson to it.

Well, my offer--- Purchase the pair of resin sides and ends from my kit and replace the plastic parts with the resin cast parts. The Donor MDC kit (which I am including with this purchase) will supply the underframe, roof, plus the doors.

My ends are a bit wider than the roundhouse ends, so some adjusting will be required, something that most of us do many times.

Besides eliminating the tedium of fileing off grabs and brake housings, the modeler will get closer to scale boards on the single sheathed sides.

I am offering the following.....

1 new MDC MoP 50' DD auto box car donor kit with Youngstown doors and non-auto end/door ends.
1 Intermountain Apex power brake gear
1 pair of resin sides
1 A resin end with lumber loading door
1 B resin end

Offered for $65, free shipping to the US. The buyer will get the actual parts pictured.

I only have enough parts for this one set of parts. My feelings will not be hurt if anyone wishes to post that this is a ripe-off price. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. Contact me off-list at <midcentury@...> if any questions arrive. I may be away from my computer until Monday afternoon.

Thanks,
Andy Carlson    Ojai CA





Re: a nice view of SP 74740 40ft stock car blt 1924

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi Ralph,

    The day we don't learn something new is a wasted day.

My best, Don Valentine

Re: what company owns the express reefer in the image below

Jack Mullen
 

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for finding an exception. That's exactly why I said "typically didn't" instead of "never". Actually, this seems a good instance of the exception validating the rule, if the inclusion of ice bunkers was intended to make them suitable for non-milk service.

Jack Mullen

Re: what company owns the express reefer in the image below

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 12:52 PM, Jack Mullen wrote:
Milk tanks didn't need icing, so no hatches. Offhand I can't think of any exceptions. Cars for handling milk in cans typically didn't have ice hatches either. 

Isn't it wonderful how a little dirt and an oblique photo angle can render the lettering invisible?   ;^)

Jack Mullen
Hi Jack,

Never say never. The Soo Line built ten cars they classified as milk cars in 1925 (which had the NP style roof) that also had ice hatches. While the cars were lettered MILK, I think the Soo was hedging their bet on the cars, and as I recall they were built with collapsible bunkers so they could double as express reefers.

Dennis Storzek

Re: [GNgoat] WFEX express reefer in pullman green?

Doug Paasch
 

I am cross-posting this to the STMFC group as Bill Welch is the expert on WFE cars.

 

Bill, what would you say the body and lettering colors are on this WFE reefer?  Looks like the one to its right is WFE yellow.  But 103 is darker.

https://archive.org/details/cscrm_000269 

Thanks,

    Doug Paasch

 

From: GNgoat@groups.io <GNgoat@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mac McCulloch via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 4:26 PM
To: GNgoat@groups.io
Subject: Re: [GNgoat] WFEX express reefer in pullman green?

 

Todd,

 

Your first sentence is wrong. Cars 100-199 were bought by WFE in 1930/31. This is the first photo I have seen of this series. I researched entire GN/WFE reefer fleet for our book 'The Rusty Dusty' which is available at GNRHS Company Store.

 

The rest of your post is correct.

 

Mac McCulloch

 

On Sunday, April 21, 2019, 4:01:41 PM CDT, Tom Todd via Groups.Io <gntrains1@...> wrote:

 

 

It looks like a pre-Western Fruit Express.  WFE was founded soon after the establishment if the Fruit Grower's Express.  WFE and FGE shared cars.  The FGE originally was an East Coast outfit.  A lot of their traffic was in the Spring, taking Florida produce North.  The WFE brought fruit East in the Fall.  Both companies profited from car sharing.

 

Tom Todd

Great Northern Fan

 

On Sunday, April 21, 2019, 11:28:36 AM PDT, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

 

 

The Steam Era Freight Car group:

 

https://archive.org/details/cscrm_000269 

 

It appears to be in Pullman green with yellow lettering.

 

Gary Laakso

HO combo kit-WP/MP/ToP 50' auto boxcar resin/plastic

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

Today I was clearing out some areas of my upstairs and came across a box with resin casting culls, parts I cast about 23 years ago and deemed not saleable due to some air bubble pockets.

The WP 50' double door auto box resin car parts inspired me to make a shameless plug for getting some lunch money. Many know that MDC/Roundhouse brought out a styrene kit for the same prototype and with molded on ladders, grabs and brake gear some work is required to do a Richard Hendrickson to it.

Well, my offer--- Purchase the pair of resin sides and ends from my kit and replace the plastic parts with the resin cast parts. The Donor MDC kit (which I am including with this purchase) will supply the underframe, roof, plus the doors.

My ends are a bit wider than the roundhouse ends, so some adjusting will be required, something that most of us do many times.

Besides eliminating the tedium of fileing off grabs and brake housings, the modeler will get closer to scale boards on the single sheathed sides.

I am offering the following.....

1 new MDC MoP 50' DD auto box car donor kit with Youngstown doors and non-auto end/door ends.
1 Intermountain Apex power brake gear
1 pair of resin sides
1 A resin end with lumber loading door
1 B resin end

Offered for $65, free shipping to the US. The buyer will get the actual parts pictured.

I only have enough parts for this one set of parts. My feelings will not be hurt if anyone wishes to post that this is a ripe-off price. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. Contact me off-list at <midcentury@...> if any questions arrive. I may be away from my computer until Monday afternoon.

Thanks,
Andy Carlson    Ojai CA





Re: a nice view of SP 74740 40ft stock car blt 1924

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Don,
 
My experience with things like this is with glass negs.  I had no idea there was a similar phenomenon with celluloid negs.  One can still learn things every day.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:19 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] a nice view of SP 74740 40ft stock car blt 1924
 
Not necessarily a glass plate negative though it could be. As Jerry Best taught me years ago this is what is known as having the film emulsion "reticulate". I've seen it happen on celluloid negatives as well and have a few from the late Phillip H. Bonnet that have done this. It can be reversed, again as Jerry Best explained to me, but the cost is almost always prohibitive.
 
Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: a nice view of SP 74740 40ft stock car blt 1924

Donald B. Valentine
 

Not necessarily a glass plate negative though it could be. As Jerry Best taught me years ago this is what is known as having the film emulsion "reticulate". I've seen it happen on celluloid negatives as well and have a few from the late Phillip H. Bonnet that have done this. It can be reversed, again as Jerry Best explained to me, but the cost is almost always prohibitive.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: PFE 50187

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim,

In Tony's PFE book he mentions records that claim some, perhaps 200, had R-30-12 underframes. So far no proof has surfaced. I believe they were all R-30-13s, except for their Hutchins roofs on the first 2,000, but am open to learning otherwise.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 4/21/19 3:48 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

I thought that all of the Western Pacific PFE reefers were R-30-13 clones. The attached photo
gives a pretty good view of the underframe.

Tim


On 4/21/2019 2:30 PM, Garth Groff wrote:
Tony,

Could you please comment on this photo? Is the underframe the illusive R-30-12 type we've all be hoping for, or an R-30-13? The underframe is pretty dark, but the bolster ends are showing slightly.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 4/21/19 10:50 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: some more images that may be of interest...

Andrew
 

Great photos. Thanks Claus.