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grab iron ladders

Clark Propst
 

One of the drawbacks for me is making the grab iron ladders on the ends of USRA style box cars. I looked over my stash of Evergreen styrene strips but didn't see anything I really liked. Any advice for the stiles would be appreciated.
Thanks,
CW Propst


Re: BLI NYC Steel Boxcar Photos Needed

Tim O'Connor
 


Michael are you specifically looking for the re-roofed cars with steel running boards per your photo,
or are you looking for cars as originally built with wood running boards (and the original roofs)?

Tim O'Connor



On 4/28/2019 5:40 PM, Michael Gross wrote:
Dear Friends,

I have reached an impasse with modifications to my BLI NYC 7/8 corrugated ends steel boxcar where it concerns the B-end and the lateral running board attachment hardware.  The RTR model is incomplete in those details, and the attached Steam Era Freight Car site photo does not have enough resolution to pick out fine details.

If anyone can lead me to a source of photos for the B-end or the running board attachment hardware, I would be most grateful.  I do not have a copy of Ted Culotta's October, 2006 Essential Freight Cars #24, NYC USRA Design Boxcars, so a PDF copy of that would be appreciated, as well.  One or more of Ted's Speedwitch Media books may have photos of these cars but as I am away from home for several weeks, I am unable to access them.

Thanks, in advance, for any assistance.

Cheers!
 
Michael Gross
On The Road - Lake Tahoe

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: BLI NYC Steel Boxcar Photos Needed

Corey Fischer
 

Heres the PDF 

Corey Fischer



On Apr 28, 2019, at 5:49 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:

I know this does not help on the road Michael, but---

RP CYC 21 likely has all you will need to finish up the BLI NYC cars.

Regards from chilly Western Penna.--Grove City----Mike 'Schleigh



On Sunday, April 28, 2019, 5:40:21 PM EDT, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:


Dear Friends,

I have reached an impasse with modifications to my BLI NYC 7/8 corrugated ends steel boxcar where it concerns the B-end and the lateral running board attachment hardware.  The RTR model is incomplete in those details, and the attached Steam Era Freight Car site photo does not have enough resolution to pick out fine details.

If anyone can lead me to a source of photos for the B-end or the running board attachment hardware, I would be most grateful.  I do not have a copy of Ted Culotta's October, 2006 Essential Freight Cars #24, NYC USRA Design Boxcars, so a PDF copy of that would be appreciated, as well.  One or more of Ted's Speedwitch Media books may have photos of these cars but as I am away from home for several weeks, I am unable to access them.

Thanks, in advance, for any assistance.

Cheers!
 
Michael Gross
On The Road - Lake Tahoe


Re: BLI NYC Steel Boxcar Photos Needed

Schleigh Mike
 

I know this does not help on the road Michael, but---

RP CYC 21 likely has all you will need to finish up the BLI NYC cars.

Regards from chilly Western Penna.--Grove City----Mike 'Schleigh



On Sunday, April 28, 2019, 5:40:21 PM EDT, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:


Dear Friends,

I have reached an impasse with modifications to my BLI NYC 7/8 corrugated ends steel boxcar where it concerns the B-end and the lateral running board attachment hardware.  The RTR model is incomplete in those details, and the attached Steam Era Freight Car site photo does not have enough resolution to pick out fine details.

If anyone can lead me to a source of photos for the B-end or the running board attachment hardware, I would be most grateful.  I do not have a copy of Ted Culotta's October, 2006 Essential Freight Cars #24, NYC USRA Design Boxcars, so a PDF copy of that would be appreciated, as well.  One or more of Ted's Speedwitch Media books may have photos of these cars but as I am away from home for several weeks, I am unable to access them.

Thanks, in advance, for any assistance.

Cheers!
 
Michael Gross
On The Road - Lake Tahoe


BLI NYC Steel Boxcar Photos Needed

Michael Gross
 

Dear Friends,

I have reached an impasse with modifications to my BLI NYC 7/8 corrugated ends steel boxcar where it concerns the B-end and the lateral running board attachment hardware.  The RTR model is incomplete in those details, and the attached Steam Era Freight Car site photo does not have enough resolution to pick out fine details.

If anyone can lead me to a source of photos for the B-end or the running board attachment hardware, I would be most grateful.  I do not have a copy of Ted Culotta's October, 2006 Essential Freight Cars #24, NYC USRA Design Boxcars, so a PDF copy of that would be appreciated, as well.  One or more of Ted's Speedwitch Media books may have photos of these cars but as I am away from home for several weeks, I am unable to access them.

Thanks, in advance, for any assistance.

Cheers!
 
Michael Gross
On The Road - Lake Tahoe


Re: CNW gondola underside

Rod Miller
 

On 4/28/19 8:03 AM, gary laakso wrote:
Here is a CNW gondola tossed in a derailment:
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-ps7B49v/A
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock
Wonderful photo. About a dozen clicks of the arrow at
the right of the image will take you to several views
of drop bottom gons, mostly western roads.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives,
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More
http://www.rodmiller.com


CNW gondola underside

gary laakso
 

Here is a CNW gondola tossed in a derailment:

 

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-ps7B49v/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Details On The Road

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
 

Wonderful detail.

 

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118  (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688  (Facsimile)

MPFan1@...

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Gross
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 6:03 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Details On The Road

 

Seems I get more modeling done in hotel rooms than at home.  One of the easiest projects on the road is adding small details, with a few parts and minimal tools.  The new door handles on this BLI NYC boxcar are a perfect example, with the molded handles replaced with flattened .008 brass rod.  It's a trifle "fiddley" as the flattened brass is quite delicate, but it makes for a lovely detail.  I did not use phosphor bronze as the harder wire was more resistant to being "squashed."
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


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Re: Details On The Road

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

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For anyone interested above is an example of the filked down door handles.  Obviously the top handle needs a little more refinement.

Bill Pardie


Re: NYC gons

Kevin McConnell
 

Ted, the picture for F&C Kit #6600 is lettered for NYC gondola #399574.  It corresponds to NYCL lot 528-G
built in 1926 by G.A.C Co in East Chicago.  The NYC General Arrangement Drawing for this gondola is
#Q-38634 and it shows these Gondolas as having a brake wheel type of brake.  In addition Wayner's
book "New York Central Cars" shows CCC&St.L gondola #72111 (lot 508-G), another High Side Drop
Bottom 110000 lb. Gondola, covered by the same drawing with a brake wheel.  Hope this helps,
sorry for the delay in answering.

Kevin McConnell


Re: Painting a real wood reefer kit.

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

I doubt that Andy would criticize those deep grooves - it's not in his nature to pick on such
models. :-) Most of us can appreciate older models with various deficiencies just as we can
appreciate newer efforts to reach museum quality perfection. And a well built model is
almost always appreciated!

Tim O'

On 4/27/2019 12:51 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

Above are two wood cars that I did many years ago (before the days of resin).  In the lower photo the wood car  I recall I used scalecoat on these cars without any sanding sealer except for the roofs.  I’m ssure that Andy Carlson would be critical of the deep groves, however, I feel that these cars still stand tall next to cars that have been completed in different media in rfecent times.

Bill Pardie

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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Details On The Road - Door Handles

Michael Gross
 

One of the great things about this forum is the wealth of knowledge from my fellows:  Tony Thompson's advice on metallurgy; George Toman's note concerning pliers; Bill Welch's use of larger diameter wire; Bill Pardie's suggestion to file rather than pinch the handle; Dennis Storzek's 1922 ARA drawing of door handle dimensions.  I may incorporate all of these ideas into my next attempt at door handles.

And, as Bill Pardie suggested, in the case of a molded plastic model like the BLI NYC steel box car, the handle size was, in fact, determined by the molded door anchors.

Thanks for all the advice!
Michael Gross
On The Road - Lake Tahoe, NV


Re: Details On The Road

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Dennis,
 
Thanks for the drawings.  Looks like my guestimates were pretty close.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 11:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Details On The Road
 
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 07:16 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
In most instances the width if the handle it dictated by the molded on anchors (just the handle is carved off in the cast doors).  I'm sure that someone has an accurate dimension that you  could use..
Here was the ARA recommendation from 1922:


Dennis Storzek


Re: Details On The Road

Tim O'Connor
 


Folks

Just FYI (a reminder) - Detail Associates included injected molded door handles in its #6213 set
of tack boards and door details. They are probably not as fine as the handmade wire handles but
they do have some fine detail that can only be appreciated under a microscope. :-)

Tim O'




On 4/27/2019 11:12 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 07:16 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
In most instances the width if the handle it dictated by the molded on anchors (just the handle is carved off in the cast doors).  I'm sure that someone has an accurate dimension that you  could use..
Here was the ARA recommendation from 1922:


Dennis Storzek

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PAINTING WOOD CARS II

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Sorry, my reploy to the p[ainting wood cars thread exca[ped before I scpould properly edit it.  I wanted to point out that in the lower photo the wood car is the one on the right adjacent to a resin and brass car.  Below is anotgher photo of the wood car.

AgainI I apologize for the fat foingers on the keyboard.

Bill Pardie

 


Re: Painting a real wood reefer kit.

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Above are two wood cars that I did many years ago (before the days of resin).  In the lower photo the wood car  I recall I used scalecoat on these cars without any sanding sealer except for the roofs.  I’m ssure that Andy Carlson would be critical of the deep groves, however, I feel that these cars still stand tall next to cars that have been completed in different media in rfecent times.

Bill Pardie


Re: Details On The Road

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 07:16 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
In most instances the width if the handle it dictated by the molded on anchors (just the handle is carved off in the cast doors).  I'm sure that someone has an accurate dimension that you  could use..
Here was the ARA recommendation from 1922:


Dennis Storzek


Re: D&RGW 65' mill gondola

jerryglow2
 

Ed Hawkins provided me excellent info on the missing info I referred to. It's operating instructions for the retauner vakve and obviously only goes on the left B-end. It will br included on my set.


Re: Details On The Road

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

In most instances the width if the handle it dictated by the molded on anchors (just the handle is carved off in the cast doors).  I'm sure that someone has an accurate dimension that you  could use..

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: George Corral <aileron44@...>
Date: 4/26/19 2:54 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Details On The Road

On modeling a boxcar door handle in HO.  I’m curious to know. 

 

What is the actual/typical prototype dimensions of the door handle Michael and others have modeled?

 

George Corral

La Grange, KY