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Re: grab iron ladders
WILLIAM PARDIE
In Response to Gary Ray’s question the bolt heads wee embossed with a NWSL riveter.
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Bill Pardie
On Apr 29, 2019, at 8:22 AM, frograbbit602 via Groups.Io <frograbbit602=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Cornel University collection
mopacfirst
I looked at Denver, and realized I have photos taken from some of the exact same spots. Many of the Denver shots were taken from the bridges over the Union Station and yards areas.
The really sobering thought is that the photos I shot in early 70s are now closer in time to when these photos were taken than to the present day, and while there would be some slight differences between what I saw and what these photographers saw, the difference between then and now is so incredibly greater. Ron Merrick
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Re: NJI&I Boxcar
Peter Weiglin
Here's the first part of the Wikipedia entry on the New Jersey, Indiana and Illinois Railroad. It'll be a conversation piee, all right.
Peter Weiglin = = = The NJI&I was originally created by the Singer Sewing Machine Company in order to transport their products from South Bend, IN, to a connection with the Wabash Railroad in Pine, Indiana. The line began service in 1905 and officially operated on only 11.4 miles of track. The line ran between South Bend and Pine, Indiana, where it met the Wabash Railroad. Up until and through World War I the line offered two passenger trains round trip daily to Detroit. In the 1930s passenger service was discontinued. The Wabash had purchased the line in 1926 but continued to operate it as a separate railroad. The major customers included Singer Manufacturing and The Studebaker Company. The NJI&I continued in service until 1982 when the Norfork Southern absorbed the line. Despite both manufacturers going out of business in the early 1960s and early 1970s, the line continued to operate for several other smaller customers. The name is derived from the three states Singer had plants in at the time of charter. The railroad was eventually taken over by the Wabash and operated through the Norfolk and Western takeover. The line continued to service several customers until the NS-Conrail takeover allowed NS to access their customers via the former New York Central Chicago line. The line was abandoned and removed in the late 1990s.
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Re: grab iron ladders
Sorry Nelson, Yes I’m outside smoking dinner (chicken) on my new smoker.
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On my phone my fingers give out. I’ll email you after dinner from my keyboard regarding how I handled end grab ladders Fenton
On Apr 29, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
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Re: grab iron ladders
Nelson Moyer
Fenton, I think you hit send prematurely. There’s no message from you.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 3:08 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] grab iron ladders
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
mopacfirst
Steve, thanks for the reference. I have all my RMJ and MM issues marked with small sticky tabs at the top, listing cars I would build (and by now, often have built) but not all the magazine holders are equally accessible in my bookshelves.
There was a Sunshine one on ebay last week, which of course was produced before the Proto car appeared. Since my branchline connected more of less directly to St. Louis, I figured there was an off chance that one of these cars would have come to Wichita on occasion. Ron Merrick
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Re: grab iron ladders
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Cornel University collection
Dave Nelson
1655 photographs from the US Presidents railroad commission, all in 1960 (I’m assume 1960 inclusive is out cutoff date). All subjects, incl. freight cars.
Enjoy.
Dave Nelson
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MDT Reefer End Paint Color
Nelson Moyer
The few color photos I have of MDT reefers show the ends to be on the brown end of boxcar red. What’s a good off the shelf paint color or custom paint mix for these ends? I’ve used Tru Color, Model Master, Model Flex, and Scalecoat II, so any of those paints are fine for this project. I’m low on Floquil and Poly Scale colors, so those probably aren’t available to me.
Nelson Moyer
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Re: grab iron ladders
Gary Ray
Very nice. How did you do the bolt detail on the brake platform, roofwalk, and roofwalk platform supports?
Thanks, Gary Ray Magalia, CA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:55 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] grab iron ladders
For a USRA car I haved used brass styles. The outer is from one of Pierre’s etched ladders and the inner is strip brass.
Bill PArdie
On Apr 28, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
I used either Evergreen HO scale 1x2 or 1x3 for the stiles on some CB&Q SS boxcars, don’t remember which. The Q was notorious for using multiple short stile sections on the right side of the end ladders for some classes. I can dig up the detail if it would help.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
One of the drawbacks for me is making the grab iron ladders on the ends of USRA style box cars. I looked over my stash of Evergreen styrene strips but didn't see anything I really liked. Any advice for the stiles would be appreciated.
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Re: grab iron ladders
Nelson Moyer
0.005 in. brass would be hard to drill without distortion, it would be hard to mount grab irons without bending the stiles, and the stiles probably wouldn’t probably hold their shape on the car. Any car handling could completely destroy the ladder. Stainless steel would be a better material for stiles that thin.
I had to replace the partial stile castings on several Sunshine SS boxcar kits with HO scale 1 x2 styrene strip material. Stiles for the end ladders had to be drilled for 2, 3, or 4 grab irons depending on car class. Drilling the holes and installing the grab irons was tedious to say the least.
This raises the question, how much can you cheat on material dimensions where scale dimensions are too fragile in modeling practice? There must be a happy medium between Athearn blue box sill steps and scale fidelity.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] grab iron ladders
The outer stile is 2" x 2" angle, which is pretty common for ladder stiles on freight cars. The inner stile is problematic, as it is 1/4" x 2" flat stock, so should really only be .003" thick in HO scale. .005" thick brass shim stock is
likely the best bet.
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
Steve SANDIFER
St. Louis
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 1:48 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturers Railway Mather box
Would this be the Manufacturer’s Railway reportedly out of St. Louis or the similarly named railroad that switched the Western Electric Hawthorne works in Cicero, IL? (the latter owned by AT&T?).
Denny
Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento, CA 95864
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Re: CNW gondola underside
Larry Smith
There is a good chance the cars originated here in Birmingham from ABC Coke works. They are now owned by Drummond Coal out of Jasper, AL. I saw a lot of these cars parked at the plant in Tarrent many years ago. Yes they did have a lot of different varieties of them Larry Smith
On Monday, April 29, 2019, 1:16:07 PM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
L&N coke box car. The L&N rebuilt a variety of cars for coke service. My Dad photographed one in Pueblo Colorado (CF&I Steel) in the late 1960's. They probably also made it to Provo, to the USS Geneva works. Met coal & coke from east of the Mississippi was a common sight in Colorado, even to the very end of steel making in Colorado. Tim O'Connor On 4/29/2019 1:26 PM, Brian Termunde
via Groups.Io wrote:
Some nice stuff on the site. You can click on the
"X" in the upper right to get to thumbnails of the photos.
In doing so, I came across one car and I was wondering if
it is the prototype of Walthers "Jailbox" car?
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-6Mf2Vm5/A
And Thanks for sharing the link Gary!
Take Care,
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
Denny,
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It’s the Anheuser-Busch owned railroad out of St. Louis
Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
Would this be the Manufacturer’s Railway reportedly out of St. Louis or the similarly named railroad that switched the Western Electric Hawthorne works in Cicero, IL? (the latter owned by AT&T?).
Denny Denny S. Anspach, MD Sacramento, CA 95864
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Re: RP Cyc's #20 - #25, was BLI NYC Steel Boxcar Photos Needed
I don't recall precisely but I think they were always less than $30 each.
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They were a capital B bargain!
On 4/29/2019 2:25 PM, Allen Cain wrote:
Can anyone help me out and let me know what the last RPC's were selling for when they came out? --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Manufacturers Railway Mather box
Steve SANDIFER
Richard Hendrickson was the consultant to Proto on these cars. MRS leased a number of the Mather cars between mid 1930s to the late 1950s. Paint scheme and number are correct. A review of the cars was in the Railmodel Journal, August 2003.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
How correct is this car?
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Re: RP Cyc's #20 - #25, was BLI NYC Steel Boxcar Photos Needed
Allen Cain
Can anyone help me out and let me know what the last RPC's were selling for when they came out? Thanks, Allen Cain
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Re: grab iron ladders
frograbbit602
Clark I would use 2x2, I use .020x.020” Evergreen strip styrene, for the stile near the corner and a 1x2 for the other stile, the side toward the center of the car over the corrugation.
Lester Breuer
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Re: CNW gondola underside
L&N coke box car. The L&N rebuilt a variety of cars for coke service. My Dad photographed one in Pueblo Colorado (CF&I Steel) in the late 1960's. They probably also made it to Provo, to the USS Geneva works. Met coal & coke from east of the Mississippi was a common sight in Colorado, even to the very end of steel making in Colorado. Tim O'Connor
On 4/29/2019 1:26 PM, Brian Termunde
via Groups.Io wrote:
Some nice stuff on the site. You can click on the "X" in the upper right to get to thumbnails of the photos. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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