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Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for the extra Rock Island data and the Excel file, Eric. These details are fascinating.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 9:43 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Good Morning, Everyone...

I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:

 

Marks   Series                            Qty                Date      Builder

RIA&L    261000-261124  125         1912       WSC

CRI&P   261125-261449  325         1912       WSC

CRI&P   261450-261949  500         1913       PUL

 

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Eric Hansmann
 

The photo was taken at the DL&W Jersey City facilities in 1929. The top level may be a coal unloading dock to transfer coal from rail to barge or ship.

 

I do not know the function of the second level.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Wiggs
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 2:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Can anyone identify the structure with two or maybe three levels of track loading?  I presume the top level is for trucks.

 

Davo in Orlando


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Eric Lombard
 

Hello Everyone, again...

Rupert, I purposely did not include series rebuilt, or renumbered, or both. The rebuilt and renumbered series you list is indeed in the data. 
A couple of additional photos of the Pullman lot. All the RI series had auto end doors.



On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:56 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Etched freight car ladders

Scott
 

Those look kind of like the ladders that came in the Railyard Models kits.

Ever since I switched to using the little metal brake from UMM-USA the YMW ladder stiles have been a breeze.  I dont see switching from them.  I put the link below for the bender.  I dont use the screw in it as shown.  I just squeeze down when bending.  I do wish YMW had ladder stiles with an extra rung so they can be cut to a custom length to better match a prototype with uncommon ladders.

http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?cPath=21_225&products_id=59

Scott McDonald


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Rupert Gamlen
 

Eric

You can add CB&Q class XA-10 cars to your list. 46000-46481 were rebuilt at the company’s Aurora shops in 1926 from XA-5’s numbered 45000-45499 which had originally been built in 1913 by Haskell & Barker.

The dimensions and appearance of the two classes was very similar but, judging by the pairs of door stops, I think the car in the photo is an XA-10.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 5:31 a.m.
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hello, again...

 

Curiosity led me to see what my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I searched: New-built series; Inside length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in service 1928 or built new 1929. the data come from equipment diagrams, the ORER, the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and historical publications. 

 

The resulting output, 18,841 cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build dates in the form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the data are reduced from the complete data set available for each series.

 

There are some interesting series! One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends trucks  can be picked out.

 

Enjoy

 


Re: SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-25 - ACCURATE MODEL

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

Basic answer to your question: No.

The prototype photos appear to show crimped seams. I don't know whether all of them did - the
cars came from two builders over a period of two years for both the SP and the T&NO.

The GN box cars appear to have lap seams.

In HO scale, most modelers ignore the difference - it's rather subtle, especially from 2 or more feet away.
I don't know anyone who chooses a carbody based on the style of seams, except perhaps when two
equally good, suitable bodies are available - and that is rare, indeed.

A C&BT body has many other issues. The Intermountain body is the correct height, with the correct door
width, and the correct number and spacing of the panels. And the ends are roof are separate. That's why
Ted (and many kitbashers, including me) use the Intermountain 10-0 bodies. Intermountain also makes a
10 panel 10-0 body with 6 foot doors to model the B-50-27 SP box cars.

Tim O'

On 5/6/2019 2:37 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
A while back Speedwitch offered a kit for the Southern Pacific B-50-25 12 panel boxcar. Comments at the time as well as in the Speedwitch instructions
indicated that the car was not totally accurate as the car body in the kit was an Intermountain 12 panel boxcar based on a Great Nofrthern prototype.

Years earlier Richard Hendrickson did an article in (I believe) Rail Model Journal on cutting down a taller CB&T 12 panel boxcar in order to do thie B-50-25.
When I look at p;rototype photos the discrepancy seem to be in the panel seems. Would cutting down a CB&T car and combining it with the Speedwitch parts
result in a more accurate model?

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: B&O C-16 Question

Nelson Moyer
 

Could C-16 cars have gone off line loaded with storage mail like express boxcars that didn’t have end doors? I need to know that before I add steam and signal lines. If they never went off line, I’ll paint and decal the car for a C-16 returned to M-53 freight service.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Van Wagoner via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O C-16 Question

 

I passed you question over to the B&O group and here's the answer:

Having a pass-through electrical circuit for a C-16 express car makes little sense. These cars did not have end doors for access while in a train.  Also, according to their equipment diagram, they had a pass-though steam line, indicating no heat was provided in them. 

 

As such, the cars likely did not go off B&O lines. Interchanged express cars had to have heat and car-end access in a train. Express cars usually had some kind of lighting in them as well, often by means of a terminal connection.

 

These cars were often worked (being loaded and unladed) in dark, covered, terminal areas. The only available light being that of the open side door (no windows),more light would be needed inside the cars, especially at night. So that fixture may have been a provision to power added lights inside the car for express workers, by use of a terminal connection - maybe at 110 volts?. 

 

Nothing is mentioned about interior lights in the C-16 and C-17 diagrams. But the C-15 express car diagram notes 'head end electric' lighting. Car and head-end lighting circuits in the past were often 32 volt systems. 


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Bill Welch
 

Eric you missed this group of 100 cars, only SS 50-footers built by a southeastern RR AFAIK: http://archive.nmra.org/Photographs.aspx?c=118&i=23478&PageIndex=0&rm=165

This photo appears in the Kline/Culotta NMRA book I believe.

Bill Welch


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

David Wiggs
 

Can anyone identify the structure with two or maybe three levels of track loading?  I presume the top level is for trucks.
 
Davo in Orlando


SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-25 - ACCURATE MODEL

Andy Carlson
 

Bill-
DO NOT CUT DOWN a CB&T shops car. Lot of work for a poor result.

The SP 12 panel needs an extra 8-rung ladder, as the IM kits followed the GN's use of a 7-rung end ladder with a drop grab used for the 1st (bottom) step. The doors are wrong, but South West Scale models has 3 doors which are correct for the SP 12 panels. The kit's trucks need replacing-many SP cars used A-3 ride controls. You will need replacement steel running boards and different power brake set(s).
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, May 6, 2019, 11:37:17 AM PDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


A while back Speedwitch offered a kit for the Southern Pacific B-50-25 12 panel boxcar.  Comments at the time as well as in the Speedwitch instructions
indicated that the car was not totally accurate as the car body in the kit was an Intermountain 12 panel boxcar based on a Great Nofrthern prototype.

Years earlier Richard Hendrickson did an article in (I believe) Rail Model Journal on cutting down a taller CB&T 12 panel boxcar in order to do thie B-50-25.
When I look at p;rototype photos the discrepancy seem to be in the panel seems.  Would cutting down a CB&T car and combining it with the Speedwitch parts
result in a more accurate model?

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie



Re: B&O C-16 Question

Chris Van Wagoner
 

I passed you question over to the B&O group and here's the answer:
Having a pass-through electrical circuit for a C-16 express car makes little sense. These cars did not have end doors for access while in a train.  Also, according to their equipment diagram, they had a pass-though steam line, indicating no heat was provided in them. 
 
As such, the cars likely did not go off B&O lines. Interchanged express cars had to have heat and car-end access in a train. Express cars usually had some kind of lighting in them as well, often by means of a terminal connection.
 
These cars were often worked (being loaded and unladed) in dark, covered, terminal areas. The only available light being that of the open side door (no windows),more light would be needed inside the cars, especially at night. So that fixture may have been a provision to power added lights inside the car for express workers, by use of a terminal connection - maybe at 110 volts?. 
 
Nothing is mentioned about interior lights in the C-16 and C-17 diagrams. But the C-15 express car diagram notes 'head end electric' lighting. Car and head-end lighting circuits in the past were often 32 volt systems. 


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Claus,
 
I just took a closer look.  They’re actually mules and wagon!  Great.
 
Thanks again.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 2:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
 
Hi Claus,
 
Nice pic.  Gotta love those horse and wagon shots.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
 
Hi Eric,
 
Yes, apparently the 'mystery car' is a Rock Island car. It is not IC.
 
Compare the 'mystery car' in the link below...
 
 
...with the attached example of the RI car series that seems to match. According to my Dec 1930 ORER this is series RI 261000-261949. This agrees with Eric's candidate list.
 
Thanks Eric!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Lombard
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
 
Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:
 
Marks Series         Qty Date Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL
 
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Claus,
 
Nice pic.  Gotta love those horse and wagon shots.
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
 
Hi Eric,
 
Yes, apparently the 'mystery car' is a Rock Island car. It is not IC.
 
Compare the 'mystery car' in the link below...
 
 
...with the attached example of the RI car series that seems to match. According to my Dec 1930 ORER this is series RI 261000-261949. This agrees with Eric's candidate list.
 
Thanks Eric!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Lombard
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929
 
Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:
 
Marks Series         Qty Date Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL
 
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Garth and List Members,
 
Also note that the ONLY east-coast railroad listed was ERIE.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Friends,

This list is very interesting. Note the SP and subsidiaries are the top owners with 3,100 cars, followed by the GN with 2,550, the NP with 2,000, UP with 1,501, CMStP&P with 1,000, and even the little WP with 250. All of these western railroads were heavily involved in lumber shipments, and despite being classed as XA or XF, these cars were often used for high-grade lumber.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 5/6/19 1:31 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
Eric,
 
I wonder if the boxcar without the doors isn't a Rock Island car, built by Pullman in 1913 with the heavy side sill.  Like the attached photo.  The photo is too blurry to read the road name.
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 3:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.

The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very interesting. 

Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-25 - ACCURATE MODEL

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

A while back Speedwitch offered a kit for the Southern Pacific B-50-25 12 panel boxcar. Comments at the time as well as in the Speedwitch instructions
indicated that the car was not totally accurate as the car body in the kit was an Intermountain 12 panel boxcar based on a Great Nofrthern prototype.

Years earlier Richard Hendrickson did an article in (I believe) Rail Model Journal on cutting down a taller CB&T 12 panel boxcar in order to do thie B-50-25.
When I look at p;rototype photos the discrepancy seem to be in the panel seems. Would cutting down a CB&T car and combining it with the Speedwitch parts
result in a more accurate model?

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

This list is very interesting. Note the SP and subsidiaries are the top owners with 3,100 cars, followed by the GN with 2,550, the NP with 2,000, UP with 1,501, CMStP&P with 1,000, and even the little WP with 250. All of these western railroads were heavily involved in lumber shipments, and despite being classed as XA or XF, these cars were often used for high-grade lumber.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 5/6/19 1:31 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
Eric,
 
I wonder if the boxcar without the doors isn't a Rock Island car, built by Pullman in 1913 with the heavy side sill.  Like the attached photo.  The photo is too blurry to read the road name.
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 3:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.

The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very interesting. 

Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Excellent work there, Eric! I especially like the column entitled "SIDE PATTERN" - very imaginative.
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Hello, again...

Curiosity led me to see what my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I searched: New-built series; Inside length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in service 1928 or built new 1929. the data come from equipment diagrams, the ORER, the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and historical publications. 

The resulting output, 18,841 cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build dates in the form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the data are reduced from the complete data set available for each series.

There are some interesting series! One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends trucks  can be picked out.

Enjoy

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:56 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Eric Lombard
 

Hello, again...

Curiosity led me to see what my database could produce for "50" ft cars built before the end of 1929. I searched: New-built series; Inside length between 45-0 and 50-9; and in service 1928 or built new 1929. the data come from equipment diagrams, the ORER, the ICC valuations, and various government, railroad, model, and historical publications. 

The resulting output, 18,841 cars in 63 Series sorted by build date is attached. The build dates in the form 1-19xx are place holders. The year is documented but not the month. the data are reduced from the complete data set available for each series.

There are some interesting series! One complete with the rara avis VanDorn ends. The ascendancy of steel underframes, vertical brake wheels,steel ends trucks  can be picked out.

Enjoy

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 2:56 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Eric,
 
I wonder if the boxcar without the doors isn't a Rock Island car, built by Pullman in 1913 with the heavy side sill.  Like the attached photo.  The photo is too blurry to read the road name.
 
Steve Hile



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Indeed, that is an Illinois Central 50-foot automobile boxcar. I don’t know why it lacks doors. CB&Q is to the right and a partial UP car finishes the 50-foot cars.

The weathering variations on the cars in this image is also very interesting. 

Just a couple cars to the left of the IC boxcar is a BR&P boxcar. This, and a companion negative with another BR&P boxcar, are two of the only late 1920s images I’ve seen featuring a BR&P car. IIRC, the Van Sweringens owned the BR&P at this time. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 5, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.
 
Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.
 
 
Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Eric,
 
Yes, apparently the 'mystery car' is a Rock Island car. It is not IC.
 
Compare the 'mystery car' in the link below...
 
 
...with the attached example of the RI car series that seems to match. According to my Dec 1930 ORER this is series RI 261000-261949. This agrees with Eric's candidate list.
 
Thanks Eric!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

Good Morning, Everyone...
I agree with Eric: The did not acquire *any* 50 foot single-sheathed cars with a deep fishbelly side sill. There appear to be only three candidates for the mystery car:

Marks Series         Qty Date Builder
RIA&L 261000-261124 125 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261125-261449 325 1912 WSC
CRI&P 261450-261949 500 1913 PUL

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Attached it is an edit of the image concentrating on the line of cars on the right side of the original. I tweaked levels, contrast, and brightness in Photoshop. Only one Lackawanna boxcar number came out well but we can see hints of car letting on the two automobile boxcars.

I’m not certain if the fishbelly sidesill car is Illinois Central. I thought it was at first and now wonder if it is a Rock Island car. When did the R.I. reporting marks come into use? I see only two blurry initials for the reporting marks.

 

I don't have a 1929 ORER at hand but can offer data from the October 1926 ORER for the 50-foot automobile boxcar quantities of the IC, CRI&P, CB&Q, and UP.

Illinois Central listed 293 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 1.2% of the 24,229 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

CRI&P listed 1448 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 4.6% of the 31,459 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

The CB&Q listed 982 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 3.1% of the 31,612 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

Union Pacific listed 2606 automobile boxcars of 50-foot length or more. These represented 8.8% of the 29,532 cars listed for their 1926 boxcar fleet.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 2:56 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

 

Hi List Members,

 

There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929, but there were some.

 

Here is a nice view of three different ones, all gathered together at the extreme right side of the image, taken in 1929.

 

 

Too bad the negative has some damage, and the film resolution is not quite where we can make out the road numbers. I think the rightmost one (partial view only) is Union Pacific, the next one moving left might be CB&Q, but I cannot quite make out the other with the fishbelly underframe, maybe it is Illiniois Central? Thoughts?

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund