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Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Donald B. Valentine
 

Thanks Scott. It's hard to believe they are calling the Fe's "Furniture Cars". with an underframe like the one I remember
here had I'll bet you could carry a pair of Abrams tanks on them if you could fit them through the doors! It will be good to
see such kits available, especially on a regular basis as opposed to only one short run, which is my one gripe with most
of the resin casters. But this leads to another question. What became of all the masters for the Sunshine Models? some
were made by others for Marty as was the Santa Fe R-11 reefer that Frank Hodina did the masters for, the nicest resin kit,
and best thought out, I have ever assembled. Did those who made such masters get them back, is Patricia sitting on a
lot of usable masters or what happened to them? It is a shame that someone cannot acquire them and offer the Sunshine
Kits again.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Greif Miniatures Realistic Light Lens

Mikebrock
 

Randy,

What freight car would one of these lens apply to?

 

Mike Brock

STMFC Boss

 

 

“Greif Miniatures Realistic Light Lens”

 

 

Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

charles slater
 

The Santa Fe Fe-13 class cars was produced by Sunshine Models and come up on EBAY from time to time.
Charlie Slater 

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Don, 

Looks like Westerfield is going to do some Santa Fe FE cars.  Here is a part of the email they just sent out.

We are working on AT&SF Fe type furniture car Kits now.
Next are some C&NW SS boxcars.
We are also in the process of developing a new website - more later.
 Scott McDonald

Re: Greif Miniatures Realistic Light Lens

Bill Welch
 

Didn't cabooses have lights on them?

Bill Welch

Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

mopacfirst
 

I have one, I know where it is.  I'll have to look at it. 

Ron Merrick

Fw: [wyodivops] Spike 150

Allen Montgomery
 





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Subject: [wyodivops] Spike 150
Welcome to the Wasatch. The dandelions are blooming, aspens leafing out in the warmer hollows, cranes and ducks are feeding off the plowed fields and the snow is coming down. At 8:20 a.m. we first caught the excursion train at the top of the grade. It was 34 degrees with a driving sleet when 4014 crested the grade at Wasatch. The steam and smoke blended immediately into the grey and white sky. It went by and we were off. Thus began the great leap frog race down to Ogden. This should have been an Olympic event in park city in 2002. We caught it four times and each time the crowd grew to more ridiculous proportions. Of course, this was my first time doing something like this, so to me it was unreal. Thank goodness I know the area and was able to get us to downtown Ogden without having to deal with the 25 mph traffic surge that clogged the freeway. I innocently wanted to show Lenny and Nick riverdale yard on the way in, and to our surprise, the was 4014 sitting right next to the road. So that could be considered the 5th time we caught it. 
So, we made it. After hanging out with everyone from Dave Houston, William Kratvilles daughter, retired engineers from several railroads and Trains Magazine on a lonely windswept hillside east of Evanston on Monday, to freezing rain and sunny hillsides greener than Ireland at the mouth of Weber Canyon we have witnessed a 4000 in action on the Wasatch grade for the first time since they were all sent over to Cheyenne to rule Sherman Hill. And that was years before we last saw them in 1959. VERY cool stuff. 
P. S. Sorry for punctuation and spelling or capitalization. I'm not used to emailing from my phone at 10000 feet. 

Re: Fw: [wyodivops] Spike 150

Matt Goodman
 

You’ve left for home already?  :)

We also caught it four times today - Evanston, the top of Echo Canyon, bottom of Echo Canyon, Echo and Uinta. Nice. 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

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On May 8, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75@...> wrote:





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Subject: [wyodivops] Spike 150
Welcome to the Wasatch. The dandelions are blooming, aspens leafing out in the warmer hollows, cranes and ducks are feeding off the plowed fields and the snow is coming down. At 8:20 a.m. we first caught the excursion train at the top of the grade. It was 34 degrees with a driving sleet when 4014 crested the grade at Wasatch. The steam and smoke blended immediately into the grey and white sky. It went by and we were off. Thus began the great leap frog race down to Ogden. This should have been an Olympic event in park city in 2002. We caught it four times and each time the crowd grew to more ridiculous proportions. Of course, this was my first time doing something like this, so to me it was unreal. Thank goodness I know the area and was able to get us to downtown Ogden without having to deal with the 25 mph traffic surge that clogged the freeway. I innocently wanted to show Lenny and Nick riverdale yard on the way in, and to our surprise, the was 4014 sitting right next to the road. So that could be considered the 5th time we caught it. 
So, we made it. After hanging out with everyone from Dave Houston, William Kratvilles daughter, retired engineers from several railroads and Trains Magazine on a lonely windswept hillside east of Evanston on Monday, to freezing rain and sunny hillsides greener than Ireland at the mouth of Weber Canyon we have witnessed a 4000 in action on the Wasatch grade for the first time since they were all sent over to Cheyenne to rule Sherman Hill. And that was years before we last saw them in 1959. VERY cool stuff. 
P. S. Sorry for punctuation and spelling or capitalization. I'm not used to emailing from my phone at 10000 feet. 

Re: Fw: [wyodivops] Spike 150

Allen Montgomery
 

Oh no. We're still gonna party like its 1869.


On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:35 PM, Matt Goodman via Groups.Io
<mgoodman312@...> wrote:
You’ve left for home already?  :)

We also caught it four times today - Evanston, the top of Echo Canyon, bottom of Echo Canyon, Echo and Uinta. Nice. 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Sent from my mobile

On May 8, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75@...> wrote:





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Subject: [wyodivops] Spike 150
Welcome to the Wasatch. The dandelions are blooming, aspens leafing out in the warmer hollows, cranes and ducks are feeding off the plowed fields and the snow is coming down. At 8:20 a.m. we first caught the excursion train at the top of the grade. It was 34 degrees with a driving sleet when 4014 crested the grade at Wasatch. The steam and smoke blended immediately into the grey and white sky. It went by and we were off. Thus began the great leap frog race down to Ogden. This should have been an Olympic event in park city in 2002. We caught it four times and each time the crowd grew to more ridiculous proportions. Of course, this was my first time doing something like this, so to me it was unreal. Thank goodness I know the area and was able to get us to downtown Ogden without having to deal with the 25 mph traffic surge that clogged the freeway. I innocently wanted to show Lenny and Nick riverdale yard on the way in, and to our surprise, the was 4014 sitting right next to the road. So that could be considered the 5th time we caught it. 
So, we made it. After hanging out with everyone from Dave Houston, William Kratvilles daughter, retired engineers from several railroads and Trains Magazine on a lonely windswept hillside east of Evanston on Monday, to freezing rain and sunny hillsides greener than Ireland at the mouth of Weber Canyon we have witnessed a 4000 in action on the Wasatch grade for the first time since they were all sent over to Cheyenne to rule Sherman Hill. And that was years before we last saw them in 1959. VERY cool stuff. 
P. S. Sorry for punctuation and spelling or capitalization. I'm not used to emailing from my phone at 10000 feet. 

Re: Fw: [wyodivops] Spike 150

Andy Carlson
 

Hey guys---
There are numerous sites and social media places to discuss the rebirth of the Big Boy. Can't we seek that out ourselves without it clutering up this site????

Enough!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 8:42:38 PM PDT, Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75@...> wrote:


Oh no. We're still gonna party like its 1869.


On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:35 PM, Matt Goodman via Groups.Io
<mgoodman312@...> wrote:
You’ve left for home already?  :)

We also caught it four times today - Evanston, the top of Echo Canyon, bottom of Echo Canyon, Echo and Uinta. Nice. 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Sent from my mobile

On May 8, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75@...> wrote:





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Subject: [wyodivops] Spike 150
Welcome to the Wasatch. The dandelions are blooming, aspens leafing out in the warmer hollows, cranes and ducks are feeding off the plowed fields and the snow is coming down. At 8:20 a.m. we first caught the excursion train at the top of the grade. It was 34 degrees with a driving sleet when 4014 crested the grade at Wasatch. The steam and smoke blended immediately into the grey and white sky. It went by and we were off. Thus began the great leap frog race down to Ogden. This should have been an Olympic event in park city in 2002. We caught it four times and each time the crowd grew to more ridiculous proportions. Of course, this was my first time doing something like this, so to me it was unreal. Thank goodness I know the area and was able to get us to downtown Ogden without having to deal with the 25 mph traffic surge that clogged the freeway. I innocently wanted to show Lenny and Nick riverdale yard on the way in, and to our surprise, the was 4014 sitting right next to the road. So that could be considered the 5th time we caught it. 
So, we made it. After hanging out with everyone from Dave Houston, William Kratvilles daughter, retired engineers from several railroads and Trains Magazine on a lonely windswept hillside east of Evanston on Monday, to freezing rain and sunny hillsides greener than Ireland at the mouth of Weber Canyon we have witnessed a 4000 in action on the Wasatch grade for the first time since they were all sent over to Cheyenne to rule Sherman Hill. And that was years before we last saw them in 1959. VERY cool stuff. 
P. S. Sorry for punctuation and spelling or capitalization. I'm not used to emailing from my phone at 10000 feet. 

Re: Fw: [wyodivops] Spike 150

Tony Thompson
 

Amen.
Tony Thompson 


On May 8, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Hey guys---
There are numerous sites and social media places to discuss the rebirth of the Big Boy. Can't we seek that out ourselves without it clutering up this site????

Enough!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 8:42:38 PM PDT, Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75@...> wrote:


Oh no. We're still gonna party like its 1869.


On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:35 PM, Matt Goodman via Groups.Io
You’ve left for home already?  :)

We also caught it four times today - Evanston, the top of Echo Canyon, bottom of Echo Canyon, Echo and Uinta. Nice. 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Sent from my mobile

On May 8, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Allen Montgomery via Groups.Io <sandbear75@...> wrote:





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Subject: [wyodivops] Spike 150
Welcome to the Wasatch. The dandelions are blooming, aspens leafing out in the warmer hollows, cranes and ducks are feeding off the plowed fields and the snow is coming down. At 8:20 a.m. we first caught the excursion train at the top of the grade. It was 34 degrees with a driving sleet when 4014 crested the grade at Wasatch. The steam and smoke blended immediately into the grey and white sky. It went by and we were off. Thus began the great leap frog race down to Ogden. This should have been an Olympic event in park city in 2002. We caught it four times and each time the crowd grew to more ridiculous proportions. Of course, this was my first time doing something like this, so to me it was unreal. Thank goodness I know the area and was able to get us to downtown Ogden without having to deal with the 25 mph traffic surge that clogged the freeway. I innocently wanted to show Lenny and Nick riverdale yard on the way in, and to our surprise, the was 4014 sitting right next to the road. So that could be considered the 5th time we caught it. 
So, we made it. After hanging out with everyone from Dave Houston, William Kratvilles daughter, retired engineers from several railroads and Trains Magazine on a lonely windswept hillside east of Evanston on Monday, to freezing rain and sunny hillsides greener than Ireland at the mouth of Weber Canyon we have witnessed a 4000 in action on the Wasatch grade for the first time since they were all sent over to Cheyenne to rule Sherman Hill. And that was years before we last saw them in 1959. VERY cool stuff. 
P. S. Sorry for punctuation and spelling or capitalization. I'm not used to emailing from my phone at 10000 feet. 

Re: Greif Miniatures Realistic Light Lens

Mikebrock
 

 

Bill Welch writes:

 

Didn't cabooses have lights on them?

 

In our period, 1900-1960, lights carried by cabooses were commonly produced by lanterns…which are certainly included in the STMFC. Unfortunately, I cannot find a reference to cabooses in the website. Of perhaps more interest is a lengthy  reference to Polyscale paints.  

Mike Brock

Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Tom Madden
 

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:55 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
What became of all the masters for the Sunshine Models?  [snip]  It is a shame that someone cannot acquire them and offer the Sunshine
Kits again.
Original patterns for flat casting can take a real beating so it's really moot where they are now. And in most cases they need to be reworked to bring them up to the detail level we've come to expect today. We've discussed this before - the pattern makers retained the rights to the patterns. Frank Hodina (Resin Car Works) has re-introduced a  number of models formerly offered by Sunshine, but in each case first generation flat resin castings were extensively reworked and redetailed to create new one-piece body patterns. The IC chisel side hopper, GN composite wood sheathed boxcar (patterns by Frank) and Santa Fe Rr-35/36/39/40 reefer (patterns by Charlie Slater) have been reintroduced. Also the 8000 gallon insulated tank car. Sunshine's version was a bear to assemble, so the RCW kit is based on completely new patterns.

Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden
 

Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

tyesac@aol.com
 

It would be nice if the PDS sheets that came in the Sunshine kits could be offered up for some amount.  They had a wealth of information on those cars he offered kits for.

Tom Casey  
Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden
 



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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:55 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
What became of all the masters for the Sunshine Models?  [snip]  It is a shame that someone cannot acquire them and offer the Sunshine
Kits again.
Original patterns for flat casting can take a real beating so it's really moot where they are now. And in most cases they need to be reworked to bring them up to the detail level we've come to expect today. We've discussed this before - the pattern makers retained the rights to the patterns. Frank Hodina (Resin Car Works) has re-introduced a  number of models formerly offered by Sunshine, but in each case first generation flat resin castings were extensively reworked and redetailed to create new one-piece body patterns. The IC chisel side hopper, GN composite wood sheathed boxcar (patterns by Frank) and Santa Fe Rr-35/36/39/40 reefer (patterns by Charlie Slater) have been reintroduced. Also the 8000 gallon insulated tank car. Sunshine's version was a bear to assemble, so the RCW kit is based on completely new patterns.

Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden
 

Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Tim O'Connor
 


aren't they are available online?


On 5/9/2019 2:54 PM, tyesac@... via Groups.Io wrote:
It would be nice if the PDS sheets that came in the Sunshine kits could be offered up for some amount.  They had a wealth of information on those cars he offered kits for.

Tom Casey  
Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Brian Carlson
 

Just the order forms on Jim Hayes site afaik. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 9, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


aren't they are available online?


On 5/9/2019 2:54 PM, tyesac@... via Groups.Io wrote:
It would be nice if the PDS sheets that came in the Sunshine kits could be offered up for some amount.  They had a wealth of information on those cars he offered kits for.

Tom Casey  
Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Steve and Barb Hile
 

sales flyers, yes.  PDS sheets, I don't think so.  They generally contain photos that Martin did not have permission to place on-line.
 
Steve



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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)


aren't they are available online?


On 5/9/2019 2:54 PM, tyesac@... via Groups.Io wrote:
It would be nice if the PDS sheets that came in the Sunshine kits could be offered up for some amount.  They had a wealth of information on those cars he offered kits for.

Tom Casey  
Al Westerfield was fortunate to find a capable and competent buyer for his product line in Andrew Dahm. Al was also able to work with Andrew for an extended period of time to get Andrew up to speed. This latter is critically important, and of course it wasn't possible with Sunshine. I think that, as much as anything, is why the Sunshine line wasn't picked up. 

Tom Madden


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

mopacfirst
 

Yes, at Sunshinekits.com.  I believe this site is still maintained by Jim Hayes.  I believe it started as a means to provide some on-line information on the products, since Sunshine the manufacturer never did.  It has all the appropriate disclaimers.  There are a few other useful links here.

I still go to this site when I see something on eBay that I might or might not bid on.

Ron Merrick

Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Brian Carlson
 

Those are just the order forms. The PDS were the multi page docs on slick paper. I’ve saved mine after building kits. They had useful info. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 9, 2019, at 3:18 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Yes, at Sunshinekits.com.  I believe this site is still maintained by Jim Hayes.  I believe it started as a means to provide some on-line information on the products, since Sunshine the manufacturer never did.  It has all the appropriate disclaimers.  There are a few other useful links here.

I still go to this site when I see something on eBay that I might or might not bid on.

Ron Merrick

Re: ex-ATSF Class Fe-13 Auto Boxcars on the StJ&LC (was There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929)

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Aren't [Sunshine PDS sheets] available online?"

No.  Only flyers and price lists at Jim Hayes' http://www.sunshinekits.com .


Ben Hom

Re: There were not a lot of 50 foot boxcars around in 1929

mopacfirst
 

I did just now go check on my Sunshine kit.  It's 73.8, and it has several ends of different styles so you can mix and match like Santa Fe did.  The sides are actually very nice, and the rivets are not giganto like the sales brochure made them look.  Frankly, that could have been a test car with sides from something Athearn.  The sides, incidentally, have the doors cast in place.  There's a little klugy surface at the left edge where something may have happened to the master, but the grabs should cover that.  The underframe casting is technically superb, with those four fishbelly frame members.

I'm definitely going to build this one, although frankly it could still be a couple years out.

Ron Merrick