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FINISHING AMB LAZER FLAT FAR DECKS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Could anyone share their techniques for finishing AMB flat car decks? They seem to resist staining.

Thanks in advance.

Bill Pardie



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Re: Photo: SFRD Reefers - Shipping lettuce at Aquila, Arizona, 1959

gary laakso
 

Great picture Bob, thanks for sharing.  Note the ladder attached to the roof with rivets at the bottom left of the photo.  I am guessing that it is an ART.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 11:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SFRD Reefers - Shipping lettuce at Aquila, Arizona, 1959

 

Good, clear reefer photo. Foreground reefer is SFRD 8002, a Class Rr-39 reefer. This is one of 170 cars rebuilt circa 1945-46 from Class Rr-2, -3 and -4 reefers.

http://images.library.ca.gov/high-res/1992-6363.tif

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SFRD Reefers - Shipping lettuce at Aquila, Arizona, 1959

Bob Chaparro
 

Good, clear reefer photo. Foreground reefer is SFRD 8002, a Class Rr-39 reefer. This is one of 170 cars rebuilt circa 1945-46 from Class Rr-2, -3 and -4 reefers.

http://images.library.ca.gov/high-res/1992-6363.tif

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Perishable Waybills: Always Pink?

John Barry
 

The Railway Accounting Rules that Guy referenced were updated and reissued as needed, usually annually in the period of our list. It is divided into mandatory and recommendatory accounting rules.  Mandatory forms follow the mandatory rules end recommended forms are found after the recommended rules.  These forms in the rules have the page layout information on them that shows how wide each field is and how tall.

You can trace how the waybill form has evolved by looking at the form pages. Free instance when the single stop this car line became a 3 line field.  And when they added the c o d Block.  Both of which happened after my 1944 era. 

I wrote a post about the evolution of the code numbers on my blog at

http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2018/04/railway-accounting-codes-revisited.html?m=1



John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Sat, 5/18/19, Guy Wilber via Groups.Io <guycwilber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Perishable Waybills: Always Pink?
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Date: Saturday, May 18, 2019, 8:45 PM

Bob Chaparro
wrote:

“One source I
reviewed said perishable waybills were pink per the
AAR.
Was this a requirement or a
recommendation?
The pink Perishable Waybill
was a recommendation.


“Did this practice
pre-date the AAR?”


The use of pink was approved by the
Railway Accounting Officers Association In 1921 and the
purpose is covered within:


The RAOA,
formerly the American Railway Accounting Officers changed
their name in September of 1917 (by request of The American
Railway Association).  The Association would later be
absorbed into The Association of American Railroads in
October of 1934.  After that time all forms became AAR
“Standard” or “Recommended”.
Guy WilberReno, Nevada


Re: Off topic question

Jack Mullen
 

Todd, I count 9 bumps in each half, plus an extra wrinkle at the bottom where the end sheet meets the sill.  That wound be a 5/5 Dreadnaught, with 5 major ribs and 4 darts between, in each half. Compare to the 4/5 end on the car to the right, which would show 7 bumps in the upper panel.

Clark, C&NW got a few small lots of 50'6, 10'5" IH boxcars with single 6' doors around 1940. Most of my stuff is still boxed up, so please forgive the fuzziness of working from memory. IIRC, the first lot had 4/5 square corner Dreadnaught ends, Viking roofs, and straight side sills, with a rather small reinforcement near the center. (The car to the right just might be one of these - note the wide flat space at the top of the end which is characteristic of a 4/5 end on a car thats more than 10' IH).

Later cars were similar but with 5/5 ends. I think that's the basis of the car we see here, which was modified with a 9' (I think) door and deeper and longer sill reinforcement. So I'd go with 5/5 Dreadnaught and Viking. You could check an ORER to verify the door opening, but it looks to me like the proportion of the door extension is consistent with 9'.

By the way, the photo is a bit too fuzzy to read the small lettering, but I think the yellow panel left of the door reads WHEN EMPTY RETURN TO AGENT CNWRY MASON CITY IA. Cement would be consistent with the rather extreme weathering.

Jack Mullen

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Re: Photos: Wabash

Brad Andonian
 

Jerry
Yoder has not made the models

Brad Andonian 




On Saturday, May 18, 2019, 5:40 PM, jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...> wrote:

I did artwork for an O-scale importer for those 3 tube cars years ago. I wonder if he ever produced them.

Jerry Glow


Re: Photos: Wabash

Steve SANDIFER
 

The only 3 tube models I have seen are the laughable Lionel ones. They even had an unloader - like the log dumping unloader.


On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 5:40 PM, jerryglow2
<jerryglow@...> wrote:
I did artwork for an O-scale importer for those 3 tube cars years ago. I wonder if he ever produced them.

Jerry Glow


Re: Photos: Wabash

jerryglow2
 

I did artwork for an O-scale importer for those 3 tube cars years ago. I wonder if he ever produced them.

Jerry Glow


Re: Off topic question

Todd Sullivan
 

Clark,

I'm going to offer my suspicions based on the photo you provided.  If you count the 'bumps' that show on the ends, there are 10 on the lower panel and 8 on the upper panel, which suggests that the end was a 4-5 dreadnaught end.  The roof looks like it has no raised panels and the 'ribs' look like raised carlines (I hope I got the terminology right), which appears to be similar to Yarmouth's Murphy Flat Panel Roof, Part 4238R.

Todd Sullivan. 


Re: Perishable Waybills: Always Pink?

Tony Thompson
 

Guy Wilber may be able to answer. I have not seen any waybills in other colors.
Tony Thompson 


On May 18, 2019, at 6:34 AM, Mat Thompson <ocrr@...> wrote:

Interesting thread – were other colors common for other types of loads such as loaded stock cars?

 

Mat Thompson

 

See the Oregon Coast Railroad

 

 


Re: Perishable Waybills: Always Pink?

Guy Wilber
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

“One source I reviewed said perishable waybills were pink per the AAR. Was this a requirement or a recommendation?


The pink Perishable Waybill was a recommendation.

“Did this practice pre-date the AAR?”



The use of pink was approved by the Railway Accounting Officers Association In 1921 and the purpose is covered within:



The RAOA, formerly the American Railway Accounting Officers changed their name in September of 1917 (by request of The American Railway Association).  The Association would later be absorbed into The Association of American Railroads in October of 1934.  After that time all forms became AAR “Standard” or “Recommended”.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 



Re: Off topic question

Bill Welch
 

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Bill Welch


Off topic question

Clark Propst
 

Sorry to ask about something past the target date of this group, but know Lloyd Keyser is a member and he might be able to answer my question off line?
The attached car was built in the 40s and re-worked at some point. Lloyd has a similar car in the CNW color book, 37000 series. I remember these cars at work, a friend wants to model one, but we don't know what the ends or roof are nor the width of the door.

Sorry and thanks,
CW Propst
 


Re: Perishable Waybills: Always Pink?

Mat Thompson
 

Interesting thread – were other colors common for other types of loads such as loaded stock cars?

 

Mat Thompson

 

See the Oregon Coast Railroad

 

 


Re: Perishable Waybills: Always Pink?

Tony Thompson
 

My understanding is that it was only a recommendation. I have seen an IC perishable bill that was white. But I do know that SP and UP used pink, and was told “most roads did.”
Tony Thompson 


On May 17, 2019, at 8:21 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

One source I reviewed said perishable waybills were pink per the AAR. Was this a requirement or a recommendation?

Did this practice pre-date the AAR?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Perishable Waybills: Always Pink?

Bob Chaparro
 

One source I reviewed said perishable waybills were pink per the AAR. Was this a requirement or a recommendation?

Did this practice pre-date the AAR?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


PRR gondola conversion

Eric Hansmann
 

Bob McGlone converts a Bowser GS gondola to one with drop doors in the latest DeignBuildOp blog post.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/05/17/updating-a-bowser-gs-gondola/



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: End Door Boxcar Meets Its End

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

     Thanks for the info on the CB&Q Wedron, Ill "derailment" fellows. Give that American - LaFrance's chief facility was
in Elmira, NY during that period it is most likely that the CV 40 ft. autobox was convenient to use and that the new fire
truck was being delivered to some town on the Fox Valley Branch, though this is all conjecture on my part based on my
part based upon what has been learned/found.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: End Door Boxcar Meets Its End

mopacfirst
 

Google is your friend:



However, I have nothing to do with Facebook so I'll remain blissfully ignorant.

Ron Merrick


Re: End Door Boxcar Meets Its End

William Hirt
 

Wedron, Illinois, was on the CB&Q Fox Valley Branch which ran from Montgomery, Illinois, just south of Aurora, to Streator, Illinois. High grade fine silica sand was and continues to be the main commodity shipped off the branch. Also in the image is a damaged CB&Q hopper in light gray and chinese red lettering. That would suggest 1960+ for the derailment.

Bill Hirt

On 5/16/2019 6:11 AM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io wrote:
Given that this is a CV single sheathed, end door boxcar, Bob, I'd be interested in any details 
offered with the photo. Can't help but wonder whose new fire truck wasn't delivered as expected.

Cordially, Don Valentine

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