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Re: Image of SWIFT TANK LINE tank cars

Todd Sullivan
 

It looks like the photo was taken at the Fort Worth stock yards, judging from the structures and the hill behind them.  The area is now a tourist attraction, and they have saved a number of the stock pens and associated structures, but not the meat processing buildings owned by Swift, Armour and others.  Pretty interesting place to visit.

Todd Sullivan
(who is moving to the Dallas area this week)


Re: Off topic question

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 07:06 AM, Clark Propst wrote:
One time I've always wondered about is why a 50' car with only a 6' door?
Because C&NW figured that anything that could be loaded thru a 6' door into a 40' car would fit thru the same size door in a 50' car. That's a smart*** way of saying that door size is driven by  nature of the freight, and how it's loaded.

These cars were intended for merchandise, not lumber, machinery, autos or other large stuff. The 50' length provided more volume for relatively low-density package freight. In 1940, manually loading using hand trucks would be the norm. So a six foot door would suffice. A larger door opening would impose some additional structural cost. 
Post-WW2, palletization and forklifts changed the rules of the game, hence later cars had bigger doors,  and these ones got the homebrew door mod.

Jack Mullen


Re: Photo: SFRD Reefers - Shipping lettuce at Aquila, Arizona, 1959

dave w
 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 06:42 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
a Class Rr-39 reefer. This is one of 170 cars rebuilt circa 1945-46 from Class Rr-2, -3 and -4 reefers.
In pristine new paint within 10 years of rebuild too?
Of equal interest perhaps are the 'ring ins' from ART and MDT?
regards davew


Re: Image of SWIFT TANK LINE tank cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

At least some of these were built by Bettendorf.  See the files section at
 
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Image of SWIFT TANK LINE tank cars

Hi List Members,
 
Image of SWIFT TANK LINE tank cars. They appear to be built with trussrod and end bulkheads.
 
Also, there are box or stock cars lettered for SA&AP in the distance
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: Mystery Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Great find. It is amazing what the body of members here can find.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Off topic question

Tom Madden
 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 08:18 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
Clark call me crazy but the 50 ft car looks like it has a home made 8 ft. door, standard 6' door plus 2 ft section welded on to it. 
Yes. The upper door hangers are only on the 6' door but the lower guides are spaced for the 8' mash-up door. And look at the length of the door tracks.

Tom Madden
 


Image of SWIFT TANK LINE tank cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Image of SWIFT TANK LINE tank cars. They appear to be built with trussrod and end bulkheads.
 
Also, there are box or stock cars lettered for SA&AP in the distance
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Another Photo: Pierce Fordyce Oil Association Tank Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
There is another view of tank cars marked for Pierce Fordyce Oil Association at ther link below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pierce Fordyce Oil Association Tank Cars

Undated photo of tank cars marked for Pierce Fordyce Oil Association.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth38171/m1/1/?q=railroad

Description: Photograph of two oil tanker cars belonging to Pierce Fordyce Oil Association in Fort Worth, Texas sit on railroad tracks. A loading rack with steel beams on it stands between the cars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Mystery Load

Wayne
 

Jerry, I don't know what Lithium Stearate Grease is but it looks as if you nailed it. Good Work!

Wayne


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Off topic question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Clark;

Or ever better, see attached.

Elden Gatwood

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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 10:56 AM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Off topic question

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 07:06 AM, Clark Propst wrote:


One time I've always wondered about is why a 50' car with only a 6' door?
CW Propst

I don't know for sure, but I would imagine merchandise. It seems around 1940 there were a whole bunch of roads ordering 50 ton 50 foot cars with 6' doors, in my neck of the woods C&NW, MILW, and Soo Line all had small groups that were not repeated. They would be ideal for LCL service, and could easily be converted to express boxes should the need arise. The coming of WWII seemed to change whatever the thinking was, and the orders were not repeated after the war. The Soo also rebuilt their cars with eight foot doors; the door opening was only expanded to the right, IIRC, leaving the new doors slightly off center.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Pierce Fordyce Oil Association Tank Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
There is also a nice view of tank car for Texas Refining Co reporting marks T R CO 250. Also, there is a Swift reefer in the background.
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 11:47 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pierce Fordyce Oil Association Tank Cars

Undated photo of tank cars marked for Pierce Fordyce Oil Association.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth38171/m1/1/?q=railroad

Description: Photograph of two oil tanker cars belonging to Pierce Fordyce Oil Association in Fort Worth, Texas sit on railroad tracks. A loading rack with steel beams on it stands between the cars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Off topic question

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 07:06 AM, Clark Propst wrote:
One time I've always wondered about is why a 50' car with only a 6' door?
CW Propst
I don't know for sure, but I would imagine merchandise. It seems around 1940 there were a whole bunch of roads ordering 50 ton 50 foot cars with 6' doors, in my neck of the woods C&NW, MILW, and Soo Line all had small groups that were not repeated. They would be ideal for LCL service, and could easily be converted to express boxes should the need arise. The coming of WWII seemed to change whatever the thinking was, and the orders were not repeated after the war. The Soo also rebuilt their cars with eight foot doors; the door opening was only expanded to the right, IIRC, leaving the new doors slightly off center.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Off topic question

O Fenton Wells
 

Clark call me crazy but the 50 ft car looks like it has a home made 8 ft. door, standard 6' door plus 2 ft section welded on to it.  Of course the C&NW would have lost contest points for not putting the proper 8 ft door on the car....I'm certain.  SR did this with some 50 DD cars to get 15 ft openings and I think D&RGW modified some doors as well.  Wasn't pretty but it worked and the cars were at the ends of their lives so don't want to invest heavily in remodels.
Fenton

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:06 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
Thanks for the great information guys! These cars were in bagged cement service mostly between the plant in Mason City and satellite facilities, mainly in the Burnsville - Twin Cities. 
A very interesting project for sure. One time I've always wondered about is why a 50' car with only a 6' door?
CW Propst



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Re: Off topic question

Clark Propst
 

Thanks for the great information guys! These cars were in bagged cement service mostly between the plant in Mason City and satellite facilities, mainly in the Burnsville - Twin Cities. 
A very interesting project for sure. One time I've always wondered about is why a 50' car with only a 6' door?
CW Propst


Re: Mystery Load

Jerome (Jerry) Albin
 

Looks to be a Stratco contactor  used to make lithium stearate grease base. Regards...Jerry Albin



     


Re: Photo: SFRD Reefers - Shipping lettuce at Aquila, Arizona, 1959

Bob Chaparro
 

A good information from Paul B:
But this is a rebuilt Rr-39 with plug doors and reversed ice hatches.  Re-weigh date is WC 4 59.


Photo: Pierce Fordyce Oil Association Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Undated photo of tank cars marked for Pierce Fordyce Oil Association.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth38171/m1/1/?q=railroad

Description: Photograph of two oil tanker cars belonging to Pierce Fordyce Oil Association in Fort Worth, Texas sit on railroad tracks. A loading rack with steel beams on it stands between the cars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Mystery Load

Jack Mullen
 

Gee, Bob, it's right in the full description on the site: "large cone-shaped object".

Seriously, it appears to be a vessel for storing and dispensing powdered or fine granular material, probably with some pneumatic means.

I disclaim expertise and certainty.

Jack Mullen


Re: FINISHING AMB LAZER FLAT FAR DECKS

Tony Thompson
 

I don’t stain because the less seen of the grain the better. Just paint with an acrylic mix to suit the age of your deck.
Tony Thompson 


On May 19, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Bill,


Interesting. I have stained many of them using a variety of techniques. Most commonly I use leather dye diluted in isopropyl alcohol. I also use acrylic paints, also diluted in alcohol. Some time there are areas that are more resistant than others, I think due to natural variations in the wood used. I just leave more stain on those areas, longer. If it truly resists staining I would suggest opening the grain with some heavier grain sandpaper, such as 200 or even 120 grit, or even raising the grain a bit with a quick exposure to water. Test and apply more heavily if needed.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Currently situated at "MDT", which is the really cool airport code for Harrisburg (Pa) International 😉




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Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 2:27 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] FINISHING AMB LAZER FLAT FAR DECKS
 
Could anyone share their techniques for finishing AMB flat car decks? They seem to resist staining.

Thanks in advance.

Bill Pardie



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Re: Photo: SFRD Reefers - Shipping lettuce at Aquila, Arizona, 1959

Bob Chaparro
 

I didn't notice the ladder. The ART reefer in the background appears to have its ladder attached the same way.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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