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Re: MILW & NP log trains
John Riddell
There are two photos in Warren Wing’s book that show NP hauling log cars. Northwest Rail Pictorial Vol 1, page 111 shows a 1954 train with 3 steel gons loaded with logs passing through Reservation (Tacoma) . Northwest Rail Pictorial Vol II, page 100 shows another view of the same log train with a log-bunk flat and a skeleton log car following the 3 loaded steel gons. John Riddell
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Re: Image of SWIFT TANK LINE tank cars
Lester Breuer
If one were to attempt to build a model of one of the Swift Line tank cars, what would be the best model to start with?
Lester Breuer
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Re: Unloading Airplane Engines
John Barry
Spen,
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You were the first to tie in the PLANT, which completed the story linking to Texas. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Caen, Normandy where B-24s missed the bridges and caused a number of civilian casualties trying to isolate the beaches from a counterattack. 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/21/19, Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@centurylink.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Unloading Airplane Engines To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 5:19 AM On 5/20/2019 4:01 PM, John Barry wrote: > Ding, ding , ding Spend is a winner! The photo location is inside AF plant 4 located adjacent to Fort Worth Army Airfield, later Carswell AFB, and now Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth. The government owned, contractor operated plant was constructed by the Defence Plant Corporation in 1941 and operated by Consolidated Aircraft and it's successors. The main production building is over a mile long. I didn't get to see it ful of B-24s, but I did see it in the 80's with the F-16. A very impressive sight And although the Brewster Buckaneer cowl is similar, their plants were in NY and PA. > > Thank you, John, but there at least three who posted B-24 before me. Spen Kellogg
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Re: Unloading Airplane Engines
Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
On 5/20/2019 4:01 PM, John Barry wrote:
Ding, ding , ding Spend is a winner! The photo location is inside AF plant 4 located adjacent to Fort Worth Army Airfield, later Carswell AFB, and now Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth. The government owned, contractor operated plant was constructed by the Defence Plant Corporation in 1941 and operated by Consolidated Aircraft and it's successors. The main production building is over a mile long. I didn't get to see it ful of B-24s, but I did see it in the 80's with the F-16. A very impressive sight And although the Brewster Buckaneer cowl is similar, their plants were in NY and PA.Thank you, John, but there at least three who posted B-24 before me. Spen Kellogg
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Re: MILW & NP log trains
Todd Sullivan
There are several photos in the NP steam loco books by Schrenk and Frey. Look in the sections on the 2-8-2s with photos in Washington State. Sorry I can't be more specific - all my books are packed for a move.
Todd Sullivan
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Re: MILW & NP log trains
Allen Montgomery
Google image the Camas Prairie Railroad. There's a couple shots of NP log car ops.
On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:17:22 PM MDT, Doug Paasch <drpaasch@...> wrote:
I need to model some MILW and NP log cars used in Washington State in the 1940's & 50's time frame. I am having no luck finding any photos of prototype log trains & log cars for either railroad. I did find a diagram of an NP log flat at the NPRHA. It doesn't show how they held the logs on it though, just the flat car itself. And I'd really like to find some photos. These log trains were not logging trains of timber companies, but rather ran in interchange service to log dumps serving mills in Everett & Tacoma. What type of car is appropriate? For example, regular flat cars with stakes? Regular flat cars with log cradles? Skeleton log cars? Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks! Doug Paasch
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MILW & NP log trains
I need to model some MILW and NP log cars used in Washington State in the 1940's & 50's time frame. I am having no luck finding any photos of prototype log trains & log cars for either railroad. I did find a diagram of an NP log flat at the NPRHA. It doesn't show how they held the logs on it though, just the flat car itself. And I'd really like to find some photos. These log trains were not logging trains of timber companies, but rather ran in interchange service to log dumps serving mills in Everett & Tacoma. What type of car is appropriate? For example, regular flat cars with stakes? Regular flat cars with log cradles? Skeleton log cars? Any pointers would be appreciated.
Thanks! Doug Paasch
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Re: Unloading Airplane Engines
John Barry
Spen, not the ((-№"₦@: auto correct mis-spelling
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John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Caen, Normandy on my cell phone 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/21/19, John Barry <northbaylines@att.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Unloading Airplane Engines To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 12:01 AM Ding, ding , ding Spend is a winner! The photo location is inside AF plant 4 located adjacent to Fort Worth Army Airfield, later Carswell AFB, and now Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth. The government owned, contractor operated plant was constructed by the Defence Plant Corporation in 1941 and operated by Consolidated Aircraft and it's successors. The main production building is over a mile long. I didn't get to see it ful of B-24s, but I did see it in the 80's with the F-16. A very impressive sight And although the Brewster Buckaneer cowl is similar, their plants were in NY and PA. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/20/19, Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@centurylink.net> wrote: Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Unloading Airplane Engines To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Date: Monday, May 20, 2019, 9:25 PM On 5/20/2019 11:58 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote: An undated photo. Note the packaging of the propellers. https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41072/?q=railroad Perhaps one of our airplane experts can tell us what kind of engines these are. Bob, The look like Pratt and Whitney Twin Wasp radial engines for the Consolidated B-24 bomber used extensively in Europe during the later part of WWII. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/features/history/b-24.html Scroll down on this page to see a photo and description of the engine mounted on the plane. http://www.aviation-history.com/consolidated/b24.html I am making an educated guess. since the photo is credited to Lockheed Martin, Fort Worth, Texas. Consolidated was absorbed into Lockheed and the B-24 was built in Fort Worth, among several other locations. The oval shape of the nacelle was evocative of the B-24. The propellers are clearly three bladed. I would guess that the photo was taken in 1943. Spen Kellogg
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Re: Unloading Airplane Engines
John Barry
Ding, ding , ding Spend is a winner! The photo location is inside AF plant 4 located adjacent to Fort Worth Army Airfield, later Carswell AFB, and now Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth. The government owned, contractor operated plant was constructed by the Defence Plant Corporation in 1941 and operated by Consolidated Aircraft and it's successors. The main production building is over a mile long. I didn't get to see it ful of B-24s, but I did see it in the 80's with the F-16. A very impressive sight And although the Brewster Buckaneer cowl is similar, their plants were in NY and PA.
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John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 --------------------------------------------
On Mon, 5/20/19, Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@centurylink.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Unloading Airplane Engines To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Date: Monday, May 20, 2019, 9:25 PM On 5/20/2019 11:58 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote: An undated photo. Note the packaging of the propellers. https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41072/?q=railroad Perhaps one of our airplane experts can tell us what kind of engines these are. Bob, The look like Pratt and Whitney Twin Wasp radial engines for the Consolidated B-24 bomber used extensively in Europe during the later part of WWII. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/features/history/b-24.html Scroll down on this page to see a photo and description of the engine mounted on the plane. http://www.aviation-history.com/consolidated/b24.html I am making an educated guess. since the photo is credited to Lockheed Martin, Fort Worth, Texas. Consolidated was absorbed into Lockheed and the B-24 was built in Fort Worth, among several other locations. The oval shape of the nacelle was evocative of the B-24. The propellers are clearly three bladed. I would guess that the photo was taken in 1943. Spen Kellogg
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Re: Early Version Of Auto-Train?
Brent Greer
That Florida East Coast flatcar sure is far from home ! (Unless perhaps the destination "vacation site" is sunny Florida - perhaps even across the overseas railway to Key West)
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Never the less, now I have a new FEC flatcar I will have to try to model... Brent ________________________________ Dr. J. Brent Greer
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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:14:17 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Early Version Of Auto-Train? Early Version Of Auto-Train? https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth36627/?q=railroad Caption: Photograph of a touring car being transported on a railroad car from Orange, Texas to a vacation site. The owner is probably Lutcher Stark, taken in 1914. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Unloading Airplane Engines
Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
On 5/20/2019 11:58 AM, Bob Chaparro via
Groups.Io wrote:
Bob, The look like Pratt and Whitney Twin Wasp radial engines for the Consolidated B-24 bomber used extensively in Europe during the later part of WWII. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/features/history/b-24.html Scroll down on this page to see a photo and description of the engine mounted on the plane. http://www.aviation-history.com/consolidated/b24.html I am making an educated guess. since the photo is credited to Lockheed Martin, Fort Worth, Texas. Consolidated was absorbed into Lockheed and the B-24 was built in Fort Worth, among several other locations. The oval shape of the nacelle was evocative of the B-24. The propellers are clearly three bladed. I would guess that the photo was taken in 1943. Spen Kellogg
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Re: Unloading Airplane Engines
At a guess, B24. They had an elliptical shape due to the crescent openings on each side
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone)
On May 20, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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Re: Unloading Airplane Engines
Jesus Pe�a
Pardon the clumsy link, but I believe these are B-24 nacelle/engine assemblies. Note the air intakes on the “cheeks” of the nacelle and also the cutout for the airfoil. Also the B-24’s were produced in Fort Worth Texas. Compare the assemblies in Bob’s photo to the nacelles shown in the link. The picture shows the assembly line in Fort Worth. In response to Bruce Smith concern of the Turbochargers. Some variants of the B24 has Superchargers if I recall correctly. I am away from my reference materials Hope this helps Jesus Peña Concord, California https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/B-24_Liberator_Consolidated-Vultee_Plant%252C_Fort_Worth_Texas.jpg&imgrefurl=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B-24_Liberator_Consolidated-Vultee_Plant,_Fort_Worth_Texas.jpg&tbnid=6UwsZqdnFaR26M&vet=1&docid=zPq1dLBsWoqSaM&w=860&h=665&hl=en&source=sh/x/im
On Monday, May 20, 2019, 11:06 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Jesus Peña Concord,California
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Smoke Stack Load
It appears that the middle flat car is only a spacer. The caption writer didn't know what a brake wheel was. https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth427020/m1/1/?q=railroad Caption: Photograph of a smokestack built for the Magnolia Petroleum Company. The unit was built and installed by Alcorn Combustion Company out of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, using materials provided by John Dollinger Jr., Inc. The photograph shows the stack laid on a flatbed train for transportation to final location. Two men are at the bottom right adjusting valves at the end of the rail car. The train has stopped within a railroad crossing and two automobiles are waiting to the right. Houses and buildings are in the background. The back of the photo is stamped "BM Photograph Business Men's Studio Beaumont, Texas" Location is on the Santa Fe Railway. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Unloading Airplane Engines
Benjamin Hom
Bob Chaparro wrote: "An undated photo. Note the packaging of the propellers. Perhaps one of our airplane experts can tell us what kind of engines these are." Cowlings are consistent with the Brewster SB2A Buccaneer (note the symmetrical intakes), which would make the engines Wright R-2600 radial engines. Ben Hom
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Early Version Of Auto-Train?
Early Version Of Auto-Train? https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth36627/?q=railroad Caption: Photograph of a touring car being transported on a railroad car from Orange, Texas to a vacation site. The owner is probably Lutcher Stark, taken in 1914. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Unloading Airplane Engines
My initial response was Pratt and Whitney R-1830 for the B-24. The B-24 also had a 3 bladed prop. I’m concerned however because I don’t really see the prominent supercharger that the B-24. The wing cutouts on the engines also look appropriate for the B-24.
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Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Unloading Airplane Engines
An undated photo. Note the packaging of the propellers. https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41072/?q=railroad Perhaps one of our airplane experts can tell us what kind of engines these are. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Image of SWIFT TANK LINE tank cars
Todd Sullivan
It looks like the photo was taken at the Fort Worth stock yards, judging from the structures and the hill behind them. The area is now a tourist attraction, and they have saved a number of the stock pens and associated structures, but not the meat processing buildings owned by Swift, Armour and others. Pretty interesting place to visit.
Todd Sullivan (who is moving to the Dallas area this week)
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Re: Off topic question
Jack Mullen
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 07:06 AM, Clark Propst wrote:
One time I've always wondered about is why a 50' car with only a 6' door?Because C&NW figured that anything that could be loaded thru a 6' door into a 40' car would fit thru the same size door in a 50' car. That's a smart*** way of saying that door size is driven by nature of the freight, and how it's loaded. These cars were intended for merchandise, not lumber, machinery, autos or other large stuff. The 50' length provided more volume for relatively low-density package freight. In 1940, manually loading using hand trucks would be the norm. So a six foot door would suffice. A larger door opening would impose some additional structural cost. Post-WW2, palletization and forklifts changed the rules of the game, hence later cars had bigger doors, and these ones got the homebrew door mod. Jack Mullen
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