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Re: Wanting to buy!

Pierre Oliver
 

Yeah, I was rather perturbed when I realized the IMRC seems to have lost or dumped the Red Caboose moulds.
Doesn’t make much sense to me 


On May 23, 2019, at 7:54 PM, radiodial868 <radiodial@...> wrote:

That's a sought after but rare to find kit nowadays. Lots of the other version though.  I gave up and put a row of Archer Rivets down the edges and hoped my Yarmouth, Kadee & Hi-Tech details would make the rivet counters overlook that the ends capped the sides vs the sides covering the ends.  If you kinda squint...

RJ Dial
Burlingame, Ca


Re: Wanting to buy!

radiodial868
 

That's a sought after but rare to find kit nowadays. Lots of the other version though.  I gave up and put a row of Archer Rivets down the edges and hoped my Yarmouth, Kadee & Hi-Tech details would make the rivet counters overlook that the ends capped the sides vs the sides covering the ends.  If you kinda squint...

RJ Dial
Burlingame, Ca


Re: MILW & NP log trains

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 03:55 PM, Andy Brusgard wrote:
Question - The weight of the logs would rest directly on the two cross I beams which are directly over the truck bolsters and the trucks. Little or no weight would be on the center portion of the car.  Why the need for truss bars?
Typically because the truss rods also hold the end sills on. Admittedly, since the center of the car carries no weight they could be replaced with straight tie rods, but in the case of these rebuilds, they were already there, so were left in place.

Dennis Storzek


Re: MILW & NP log trains

Gene Deimling
 

Brian
Nice find on the color images of the log cars

Gene Deimling


Re: MILW & NP log trains

Andy Brusgard <ajb1102@...>
 

Question - The weight of the logs would rest directly on the two cross I beams which are directly over the truck bolsters and the trucks. Little or no weight would be on the center portion of the car.  Why the need for truss bars?


Re: Removing car numbers on Walthers cars.

Nelson Moyer
 

Super Clean degreaser will lift lettering from Accurail cars in less than two hours without affecting the paint – unless you soak cars for a week and scrub hard with a toothbrush. I haven’t tried to selectively remove lettering or used it on Walthers cars.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Removing car numbers on Walthers cars.

 

Hello,

Anybody have any tips or tricks to remove only the road numbers on a Walthers Boxcar.  I will give Walthers credit that paint is tough as nails.

I have tried the following:

Micro-sol trick which the paint laughed at and didnt budge.

Isopropyl Alcohol which kind of worked.  Have to press really hard to get it to budge and really easy to go through color paint.  The numbers came off eventually but you could still see them raised in the paint.

Scale coat thinner which took off the color and number.

Has anybody used Scalecoat wash away to remove just letters?  Little nervous to try soda blasting.  I really dont want to repaint the entire car just to change the road number.  

Scott McDonald


Re: Removing car numbers on Walthers cars.

Lester Breuer
 

Scott,
I use a Euro scratch brush to remove lettering only.  Light passes.  I have used it on many different cars with success.  A complete writeup and photos are on my blog.  Look under “labels” for “ scratch brush.” for complete details if interested.  The link is:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com

Lester Breuer


Re: Removing car numbers on Walthers cars.

Drew M.
 

Scott,
  In a back issue of Model Railroad Hobbyist in Ken Patterson's column he shared a tip on a Walthers locomotive he renumbered. He used Solvaset and Scotch tape. I vaguely recall he applied the Solvaset to the number, allowed it to dry and then pressed the tape on the number and removed the tape. I have not tried this technique so I can't say how well it works.

Drew in Philly

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On May 23, 2019, at 18:07, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:
Hello,

Anybody have any tips or tricks to remove only the road numbers on a Walthers Boxcar.  I will give Walthers credit that paint is tough as nails.

I have tried the following:

Micro-sol trick which the paint laughed at and didnt budge.

Isopropyl Alcohol which kind of worked.  Have to press really hard to get it to budge and really easy to go through color paint.  The numbers came off eventually but you could still see them raised in the paint.

Scale coat thinner which took off the color and number.

Has anybody used Scalecoat wash away to remove just letters?  Little nervous to try soda blasting.  I really dont want to repaint the entire car just to change the road number.  

Scott McDonald


Removing car numbers on Walthers cars.

Scott
 

Hello,

Anybody have any tips or tricks to remove only the road numbers on a Walthers Boxcar.  I will give Walthers credit that paint is tough as nails.

I have tried the following:

Micro-sol trick which the paint laughed at and didnt budge.

Isopropyl Alcohol which kind of worked.  Have to press really hard to get it to budge and really easy to go through color paint.  The numbers came off eventually but you could still see them raised in the paint.

Scale coat thinner which took off the color and number.

Has anybody used Scalecoat wash away to remove just letters?  Little nervous to try soda blasting.  I really dont want to repaint the entire car just to change the road number.  

Scott McDonald


Re: MILW & NP log trains

Doug Paasch
 

Thanks Chuck.  I managed to get to the 17 photos.

 

  Doug Paasch

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Soule
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MILW & NP log trains

 

There are some photos of log cars in the portion of the Walt Ainsworth NP Locations collection at the NPRHA website.  It is a little difficult to find the link, and more difficult to filter, but here is a link

http://www.nprha.org/Lists/WWANL/AllItems.aspx

An example - once in the web page, you can scroll down 5 pictures to find a 1953 log train on the Auburn wye. 

Searching the site is awkward - we are working on better software.  But once on Walt's Location page, click on the right site of subject 2 to get a menu.  Scroll down and check "log train" to get access to 17 pictures that meet that heading.  You can do the same on subject 1, but there are only 2 pictures.  You can also check "car-lot" but there is only one pic currently posted.

We are working to put up more pictures that have been scanned and indexed.  That's not in my shop, so I don't know how soon it will happen.

Unfortunately, you can't get more than the thumbnail from web site.  But you can contact Pacific NW Railroad Archive for a better print.  info@...

Hope this helps.
Chuck Soule


Re: MILW & NP log trains

Doug Paasch
 

Thanks Brian!  It looks like the pins on the log cradle fold down for dumping?

 

  Doug Paasch

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of brianleppert@...
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 10:16 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MILW & NP log trains

 

In addition to Gene Deimling's post on skeleton log cars, here are two more images.  Photographed in Olympia. WA circa early 1950s.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: MILW & NP log trains

Chuck Soule
 

There are some photos of log cars in the portion of the Walt Ainsworth NP Locations collection at the NPRHA website.  It is a little difficult to find the link, and more difficult to filter, but here is a link

http://www.nprha.org/Lists/WWANL/AllItems.aspx

An example - once in the web page, you can scroll down 5 pictures to find a 1953 log train on the Auburn wye. 

Searching the site is awkward - we are working on better software.  But once on Walt's Location page, click on the right site of subject 2 to get a menu.  Scroll down and check "log train" to get access to 17 pictures that meet that heading.  You can do the same on subject 1, but there are only 2 pictures.  You can also check "car-lot" but there is only one pic currently posted.

We are working to put up more pictures that have been scanned and indexed.  That's not in my shop, so I don't know how soon it will happen.

Unfortunately, you can't get more than the thumbnail from web site.  But you can contact Pacific NW Railroad Archive for a better print.  info@...

Hope this helps.
Chuck Soule


Re: Wanting to buy!

Pierre Oliver
 

Thanks for looking 


On May 23, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Roger Huber via Groups.Io <trainpainter@...> wrote:

Pierre,

Sorry but I have to check my inventory by P/N. I don't have any of those cars.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 1:53:31 PM CDT, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:


Red Caboose #8001
Or
IMWX # HOBUNR02

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 5/23/19 2:13 p.m., Roger Huber via Groups.Io wrote:
Pierre,

Do you have a number for that model?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 1:09:36 PM CDT, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:


Good day all,
I'm on the search for IMWX or Red Caboose 40' 1937 AAR boxcar kits,
undec preferred, with the square corner post.
it would appear that Intermountain now only offers the "W" corner post
variant.
I'm looking 6 at least

--
Pierre Oliver





Re: Wanting to buy!

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Pierre,

Sorry but I have to check my inventory by P/N. I don't have any of those cars.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 1:53:31 PM CDT, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:


Red Caboose #8001
Or
IMWX # HOBUNR02

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 5/23/19 2:13 p.m., Roger Huber via Groups.Io wrote:
Pierre,

Do you have a number for that model?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 1:09:36 PM CDT, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:


Good day all,
I'm on the search for IMWX or Red Caboose 40' 1937 AAR boxcar kits,
undec preferred, with the square corner post.
it would appear that Intermountain now only offers the "W" corner post
variant.
I'm looking 6 at least

--
Pierre Oliver





Re: Wanting to buy!

Pierre Oliver
 

Red Caboose #8001
Or
IMWX # HOBUNR02

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 5/23/19 2:13 p.m., Roger Huber via Groups.Io wrote:

Pierre,

Do you have a number for that model?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 1:09:36 PM CDT, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:


Good day all,
I'm on the search for IMWX or Red Caboose 40' 1937 AAR boxcar kits,
undec preferred, with the square corner post.
it would appear that Intermountain now only offers the "W" corner post
variant.
I'm looking 6 at least

--
Pierre Oliver





Re: Wanting to buy!

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Pierre,

Do you have a number for that model?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 1:09:36 PM CDT, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:


Good day all,
I'm on the search for IMWX or Red Caboose 40' 1937 AAR boxcar kits,
undec preferred, with the square corner post.
it would appear that Intermountain now only offers the "W" corner post
variant.
I'm looking 6 at least

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com





Wanting to buy!

Pierre Oliver
 

Good day all,
I'm on the search for IMWX or Red Caboose 40' 1937 AAR boxcar kits, undec preferred, with the square corner post.
it would appear that Intermountain now only offers the "W" corner post variant.
I'm looking 6 at least

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Station Agent's Blue Book

Bob Chaparro
 

There is a lot of information in this book by Otto Bernard Kirkpatrick, Kirkpatrick Publishing Company, 1928.

Link: https://tinyurl.com/yyr4xhpv

Below is the Table of Contents and List of Forms & Illustrations

Individual pages from this book may be download as text.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

Contents

Page 1. The Railroad Station 1 2. The Station Agent 3 3. Station Forces 5 4. Station Business Transactions 7 5. Bills of Lading—Issuing of 10 6. Rules of the Consolidated Freight Classification 26 7. Exceptions to Classification Rules 41 8. Ordering, Furnishing and Inspecting Cars 42 9. Accepting Freight 43 10. Weights and Weighing. 47 11. Loading Freight 56 12. Unloading Freight 61 13. Sealing Cars 64 14. Car Service 66 15. Per Diem 70 16. Over, Short and Damaged Freight 79 17. Unclaimed and Refused Freight 85 18. Freight Claims 89 19. Perishable Freight 102 20. Live Stock 108 21. Bonded Freight 112 22. Explosives 113 23. Diversion and Reconsignment 115 24. Transit Privileges 123 25. Demurrage 133 26. Freight Storage 150 27. Switching 156 28. Delivery of Freight - 168 29. Payment of Transportation Charges and Extension of Credit 178 30. Station Accounting - 184 31. The Freight Waybill 190 32. The Freight Bill 206 33. Transportation Tariffs 214 34. Correction of Errors in Station Reports 230 35. Passenger Business 235 36. Station Records and Station Reports _ 262 37. Station Business Transactions—August 1 269 38. Station Business Transactions—August 15 333 39. Station Business Transactions—August 30 373 40. Monthly Reports - _ 436 41. Other Forms of Monthly Reports 461 42. Miscellaneous _ 483 43. Answers to Test Questions - 494 44. General Index 511 VII

List of Forms and Illustrations

Fig. 1. Map A. B. & C. RY. FORMS of the United States, Showing 13 Page Railway Systems . Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. Fig. XII Chart of Freight Station Organization— 6 Chart of Passenger Station Organization 6 Chart of Transportation Revenue - 8 Uniform Straight Bill of Lading 14 Uniform Straight Bill of Lading (Back) IS Uniform Order Bill of Lading 18 Uniform Order Bill of Lading (Back).... 19 Uniform Live Stock Contract 22 Uniform Live Stock Contract (Back).... 23 Industry Track Scale Weighing Agreement •. SO 12. Weight Agreement 13. 14. Interchange Car Report (Original) Interchange Car Report (First Carbon 52 72 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24. 25. 26. 27. 28. 29. 30. 31. Copy) 73 Interchange Car Report (Second Car bon Copy) 73 Monthly Report of Cars Switched—Au- gust (Per Diem) 74 Interchange Car Report Correction.. 75 Notice to Connecting Line of Cars Not Accepted _ 77 Combination Astray Waybill, Over and Astray Report 80 Freight Waybill—Shipment to Storage Warehouse 87 Standard Form for Presentation of Loss and Damage Claims 92 Standard Form for Presentation of Over- charge Claims - _ 94 Railroad's Inspection Report of Concealed Loss or Damage 96 Standard Form, Concealed Loss and Damage Claims (Shipper's Form) 98 Standard Form, Concealed Loss and Damage Claims (Consignee's Form) 100 Freight Waybill — Shipment of Live Stock 110 Freight Waybill—Diverted Shipment 116 Freight Waybill — Advances Only — Demurrage and Diversion Charge 118 Freight Waybill — Diverted Shipment— All Charges Advanced 120 Records of Transit Freight Bills and Tonnage (Sheet 1) 124 Records of Transit Freight Bills and Tonnage (Sheet 2) 126 Fig. 32. Fig. 33. Fig. 34. Fig. 35. Fig. 36. Fig. 37. Fig. 38. Fig. 39. Fig. 40. Fig. 41. Fig. 42. Fig. 43. Fig. 44. Fig. 45. Page Freight Waybill — Transit Shipment (Charges Prepaid) - 128 Freight Waybill—Transit Shipment (In- bound Charges Advanced) 130 Freight Waybill — Transit Shipment (Charges Collect) 131 Station Demurrage Record Book( Sheet 1) „ 140 Station Demurrage Record Book (Sheet 2) 141 Monthly Abstract of Demurrage and Track Storage 142 Notice of Constructive Placement—. 144 Report of Cars Handled Under Average Agreement - 146 Monthly Statement of Freight Storage Charges Assessed 154 Monthly Local Report of Cars Switched (Sheets 1 and 2) - 160 Monthly Local Report of Cars Switched (Sheets 3 and 4) 161 Local Switching Order _ 162 Interline Switching Waybill 164 Monthly Abstract of Interline Switching Waybills Forwarded . 165 Fig. 46. Monthly Abstract of Interline Switching Waybills Received 166 Fig. 47. Fig. 48. Fig. 49. Fig. 50. Fig. 51. Fig. 52. Fig. 53. Fig. 54. Fig. 55. Fig. 56. Fig. 57. Fig. 58. Fig. 59. Fig. 60. Freight Waybill—Overloaded Car 192 Freight Waybill—Part Lot, Overloaded Car 193 Freight Waybill—Advances Only, Transfer Charges 196 Freight Waybill—Advances Only, Feed and Sanding Charge 198 Freight Waybill—Interline Shipment 200 Freight Waybill—Prepaid Only 202 Standard Form of Freight Bill—Order Shipment 207 Standard Form of Freight Bill—Government Shipment _ 208 Standard Form of Freight Bill—Freight Received Undercharge 208 Standard Form of Freight Bill—Prepaid Shipment (Waybill Size) 210 Standard Form of Freight Bill—Prepaid Shipment (Freight Bill Size) 211 Standard Form of Freight Bill—Under- charge Prepaid Shipment 211 Standard Form of Freight Bill—Freight Storage Charge 212 Special Form of Freight Bill—Demurrage Charge 212


Re: Perishable Waybills: Always Pink? (Preferred Movement Waybill)

Bob Chaparro
 

Preferred Movement Waybill

This text below is from the Station Agent's Blue Book: A Practical Reference Book for those Actively Engaged in Station Work by Otto Bernard.Kirkpatrick, Kirkpatrick Publishing Company, 1928.

Link: https://tinyurl.com/yyr4xhpv

Individual pages from this book may be download as text.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

Preferred Movement Waybill. The "Freight Waybill—Preferred Movement" is the form of waybill recommended by the Railway Accounting Officers Association, and it is used by most carriers in waybilling perishable shipments. It is printed on pink paper, and while as to form it is exactly like the ordinary freight waybill, its distinctive color, and the preferred-movement notation, indicates that the shipment should receive prompt and special attention. 601. Some carriers whose requirements are not large do not provide a special form of preferred-movement waybill, but use the ordinary freight waybill for perishable shipments and indorse it "Perishable" or some equally appropriate symbol to call special attention to the  importance of the shipment covered.


Re: MILW & NP log trains

brianleppert@att.net
 

In addition to Gene Deimling's post on skeleton log cars, here are two more images.  Photographed in Olympia. WA circa early 1950s.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

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