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Re: DL&W 40' Rebuilt Automobile Boxcars were they ever converted to Auto Parts ?

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Mike,


I was looking to collect enough material about car pooling at the auto plants for a C&O Hist Mag article eventually.  Cars got split up over multiple railroads . . . even if the plant was switched by the PM, etc.


That 1938 image is great.


Al

On May 25, 2019 at 10:38 AM "MDelvec952 via Groups.Io" <MDelvec952@...> wrote:

Al, Hal passed close to ten years ago. The negatives were made by a Newton resident.

Mike

 

On May 25, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io < prrk41361@...> wrote:

Hal Carstens died in 2009. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 25, 2019, at 9:35 AM, al.kresse < water.kresse@...> wrote:

Mike,


Do you have an e-mail address for Hal Carstens?


Thanx


Al

On May 24, 2019 at 10:32 PM "MDelvec952 via Groups.Io" < MDelvec952@...> wrote:



Lackawanna wasn't in the auto parts business and it served no big auto plants.  We're not aware that the DF loaders were ever removed. DL&W autocars transported mostly new vehicles from factory to customer siding. Nickel Plate and Wabash were the biggest sources of new autos heading from Detroit to Eastern markets. Cars received in Buffalo were mostly forwarded to Jersey City yards and floated to Brooklyn, Manhattan and Bronx, and at team tracks across the system.

Attached are a couple of photos. The black and white photo was from 1950 in Newton on the Sussex Branch as a car was behind shoved along the loading dock at the freight house. Hal Carstens collection (he didn't shoot these; they were fuzzy box camera negatives that I printed in the 1980s.)

As for paint, some did get the Phoebe Snow billboard repaint but I've seen no photos of the Yarmouth cars in billboard paint.. After 1955 many boxcar repaints got no billboard at all. Photos of the Yarmouth cars aren't common since the main line trains moving auto loads and empties were night runners on the east end.

Hope this helps                            ....Mike Del Vecchio



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From: Eric Thur < prrtrainguy@...>
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Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 10:05 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] DL&W 40' Rebuilt Automobile Boxcars were they ever converted to Auto Parts ?

I am trying to get information on DL&W  11500 series Auto Boxcars re-built 35-37. These cars had Auto Racks installed when built, but my question is, Were the Auto racks ever removed and the cars used for Auto Parts loads?  If so, what year were the Auto Racks removed? Were Parts racks installed?  Did the ""AUTOMOBILE"  lettering get painted out at any point or  did it remain? I was interested in Building Yarmouth Kit  YMW-115, but want to build a late 1940's version.  The Kit is lettered " As Built" Mid-1930's. I am unable to find any photo's of this car later than 1939 on line, so I have no idea what lettering scheme these cars had 1940-1950.

 Any Information would help,

 Thank You

 Eric Thur


 


 

Re: NYC X29

Doug Chapman
 


Brian,

Check out the Feb/Mar 2017 isue of the S Scale Resource, pages 53-57. The article includes 5 prototype photos and an S-scale model of the AB brake system.

Doug Chapman

Re: DL&W 40' Rebuilt Automobile Boxcars were they ever converted to Auto Parts ?

MDelvec952 <MDelvec952@...>
 

Al, Hal passed close to ten years ago. The negatives were made by a Newton resident.

Mike


On May 25, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Hal Carstens died in 2009. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 25, 2019, at 9:35 AM, al.kresse <water.kresse@...> wrote:

Mike,


Do you have an e-mail address for Hal Carstens?


Thanx


Al

On May 24, 2019 at 10:32 PM "MDelvec952 via Groups.Io" <MDelvec952@...> wrote:



Lackawanna wasn't in the auto parts business and it served no big auto plants.  We're not aware that the DF loaders were ever removed. DL&W autocars transported mostly new vehicles from factory to customer siding. Nickel Plate and Wabash were the biggest sources of new autos heading from Detroit to Eastern markets. Cars received in Buffalo were mostly forwarded to Jersey City yards and floated to Brooklyn, Manhattan and Bronx, and at team tracks across the system.

Attached are a couple of photos. The black and white photo was from 1950 in Newton on the Sussex Branch as a car was behind shoved along the loading dock at the freight house. Hal Carstens collection (he didn't shoot these; they were fuzzy box camera negatives that I printed in the 1980s.)

As for paint, some did get the Phoebe Snow billboard repaint but I've seen no photos of the Yarmouth cars in billboard paint.. After 1955 many boxcar repaints got no billboard at all. Photos of the Yarmouth cars aren't common since the main line trains moving auto loads and empties were night runners on the east end.

Hope this helps                            ....Mike Del Vecchio



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Thur <prrtrainguy@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 10:05 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] DL&W 40' Rebuilt Automobile Boxcars were they ever converted to Auto Parts ?

I am trying to get information on DL&W  11500 series Auto Boxcars re-built 35-37. These cars had Auto Racks installed when built, but my question is, Were the Auto racks ever removed and the cars used for Auto Parts loads?  If so, what year were the Auto Racks removed? Were Parts racks installed?  Did the ""AUTOMOBILE"  lettering get painted out at any point or  did it remain? I was interested in Building Yarmouth Kit  YMW-115, but want to build a late 1940's version.  The Kit is lettered " As Built" Mid-1930's. I am unable to find any photo's of this car later than 1939 on line, so I have no idea what lettering scheme these cars had 1940-1950.

 Any Information would help,

 Thank You

 Eric Thur

Re: DL&W 40' Rebuilt Automobile Boxcars were they ever converted to Auto Parts ?

Brian Carlson
 

Hal Carstens died in 2009. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 25, 2019, at 9:35 AM, al.kresse <water.kresse@...> wrote:

Mike,


Do you have an e-mail address for Hal Carstens?


Thanx


Al

On May 24, 2019 at 10:32 PM "MDelvec952 via Groups.Io" <MDelvec952@...> wrote:



Lackawanna wasn't in the auto parts business and it served no big auto plants.  We're not aware that the DF loaders were ever removed. DL&W autocars transported mostly new vehicles from factory to customer siding. Nickel Plate and Wabash were the biggest sources of new autos heading from Detroit to Eastern markets. Cars received in Buffalo were mostly forwarded to Jersey City yards and floated to Brooklyn, Manhattan and Bronx, and at team tracks across the system.

Attached are a couple of photos. The black and white photo was from 1950 in Newton on the Sussex Branch as a car was behind shoved along the loading dock at the freight house. Hal Carstens collection (he didn't shoot these; they were fuzzy box camera negatives that I printed in the 1980s.)

As for paint, some did get the Phoebe Snow billboard repaint but I've seen no photos of the Yarmouth cars in billboard paint.. After 1955 many boxcar repaints got no billboard at all. Photos of the Yarmouth cars aren't common since the main line trains moving auto loads and empties were night runners on the east end.

Hope this helps                            ....Mike Del Vecchio



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Thur <prrtrainguy@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 10:05 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] DL&W 40' Rebuilt Automobile Boxcars were they ever converted to Auto Parts ?

I am trying to get information on DL&W  11500 series Auto Boxcars re-built 35-37. These cars had Auto Racks installed when built, but my question is, Were the Auto racks ever removed and the cars used for Auto Parts loads?  If so, what year were the Auto Racks removed? Were Parts racks installed?  Did the ""AUTOMOBILE"  lettering get painted out at any point or  did it remain? I was interested in Building Yarmouth Kit  YMW-115, but want to build a late 1940's version.  The Kit is lettered " As Built" Mid-1930's. I am unable to find any photo's of this car later than 1939 on line, so I have no idea what lettering scheme these cars had 1940-1950.

 Any Information would help,

 Thank You

 Eric Thur

Re: DL&W 40' Rebuilt Automobile Boxcars were they ever converted to Auto Parts ?

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Mike,


Do you have an e-mail address for Hal Carstens?


Thanx


Al

On May 24, 2019 at 10:32 PM "MDelvec952 via Groups.Io" <MDelvec952@...> wrote:



Lackawanna wasn't in the auto parts business and it served no big auto plants.  We're not aware that the DF loaders were ever removed. DL&W autocars transported mostly new vehicles from factory to customer siding. Nickel Plate and Wabash were the biggest sources of new autos heading from Detroit to Eastern markets. Cars received in Buffalo were mostly forwarded to Jersey City yards and floated to Brooklyn, Manhattan and Bronx, and at team tracks across the system.

Attached are a couple of photos. The black and white photo was from 1950 in Newton on the Sussex Branch as a car was behind shoved along the loading dock at the freight house. Hal Carstens collection (he didn't shoot these; they were fuzzy box camera negatives that I printed in the 1980s.)

As for paint, some did get the Phoebe Snow billboard repaint but I've seen no photos of the Yarmouth cars in billboard paint.. After 1955 many boxcar repaints got no billboard at all. Photos of the Yarmouth cars aren't common since the main line trains moving auto loads and empties were night runners on the east end.

Hope this helps                            ....Mike Del Vecchio



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Thur <prrtrainguy@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 10:05 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] DL&W 40' Rebuilt Automobile Boxcars were they ever converted to Auto Parts ?

I am trying to get information on DL&W  11500 series Auto Boxcars re-built 35-37. These cars had Auto Racks installed when built, but my question is, Were the Auto racks ever removed and the cars used for Auto Parts loads?  If so, what year were the Auto Racks removed? Were Parts racks installed?  Did the ""AUTOMOBILE"  lettering get painted out at any point or  did it remain? I was interested in Building Yarmouth Kit  YMW-115, but want to build a late 1940's version.  The Kit is lettered " As Built" Mid-1930's. I am unable to find any photo's of this car later than 1939 on line, so I have no idea what lettering scheme these cars had 1940-1950.

 Any Information would help,

 Thank You

 Eric Thur

Roommate Desired for NMRA Salt Lake City

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

I have a room with two beds at the Little America Inn at Salt Lake City from July 7 to July 14 and am looking for a roommate to split the costs which are $1,255.52 for seven nights.Please respond to me offline at spenkelloggatcenturylinkdotnet.

Spen Kellogg
Erie, CO
(303) 666-7166

Re: DL&W 40' Rebuilt Automobile Boxcars were they ever converted to Auto Parts ?

MDelvec952 <MDelvec952@...>
 



Lackawanna wasn't in the auto parts business and it served no big auto plants.  We're not aware that the DF loaders were ever removed. DL&W autocars transported mostly new vehicles from factory to customer siding. Nickel Plate and Wabash were the biggest sources of new autos heading from Detroit to Eastern markets. Cars received in Buffalo were mostly forwarded to Jersey City yards and floated to Brooklyn, Manhattan and Bronx, and at team tracks across the system.

Attached are a couple of photos. The black and white photo was from 1950 in Newton on the Sussex Branch as a car was behind shoved along the loading dock at the freight house. Hal Carstens collection (he didn't shoot these; they were fuzzy box camera negatives that I printed in the 1980s.)

As for paint, some did get the Phoebe Snow billboard repaint but I've seen no photos of the Yarmouth cars in billboard paint.. After 1955 many boxcar repaints got no billboard at all. Photos of the Yarmouth cars aren't common since the main line trains moving auto loads and empties were night runners on the east end.

Hope this helps                            ....Mike Del Vecchio



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Thur <prrtrainguy@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 10:05 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] DL&W 40' Rebuilt Automobile Boxcars were they ever converted to Auto Parts ?

I am trying to get information on DL&W  11500 series Auto Boxcars re-built 35-37. These cars had Auto Racks installed when built, but my question is, Were the Auto racks ever removed and the cars used for Auto Parts loads?  If so, what year were the Auto Racks removed? Were Parts racks installed?  Did the ""AUTOMOBILE"  lettering get painted out at any point or  did it remain? I was interested in Building Yarmouth Kit  YMW-115, but want to build a late 1940's version.  The Kit is lettered " As Built" Mid-1930's. I am unable to find any photo's of this car later than 1939 on line, so I have no idea what lettering scheme these cars had 1940-1950.

 Any Information would help,

 Thank You

 Eric Thur

Re: Who besides Yarmouth Makes a Carmer Lever Etching

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Free State made the best etched Carmer levers - not simply blobby shapes."

More info on them here:


Ben Hom

Re: Who besides Yarmouth Makes a Carmer Lever Etching

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Ken,
 
If you’re interested in the Westerfield Carmer levers, I’d contact Andrew Dahm directly or through the Westerfield website.  (http://westerfieldmodels.com/116601.html)  I’ve always found him both helpful and accommodating.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Ken Adams
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 5:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Who besides Yarmouth Makes a Carmer Lever Etching
 
After a private exchange with Pierre, it turns out none of the Carmer lever etchings he currently offers closely matches the Carmer levers as used on my ex D&RGW, Ex USN boxcar. Levers closely matching the ones I need were included with Westerfield's SP B-50-15 kit but a check of the Westerfield website does not show these offered as a separately available part. Does anyone have any other suggestions

Re: Photos: Loads & Loading

Donald B. Valentine
 

Nice catch, Bob. Wonder if such tube packages for a stationary boiler use a superheater header anything
like that found on a locomotive.

In addition to the boiler tube load look at the T&P boxcar #81178. This looks to be either a USRA double
sheathed car of a similar one of like vintage that has had the sides replaced with panel sides. Unfortunately
I can't tell how many panels in the side to see if it matches a Tichy car. IIRC the Tichy car uses eight panel
sides but it seems that more of the prototypes used ten panel sides.

Thanks for catching all these photos for us,  Don Valentine

Re: Who besides Yarmouth Makes a Carmer Lever Etching

Jim Hayes
 

Contact Westerfield. They may not list them but may sell them to you.

JimH

Re: Who besides Yarmouth Makes a Carmer Lever Etching

Bruce Smith
 

You could etch them yourself.  😉  I'm not being facetious. I have used the MicroMark etching set with some success. The learning curve is not particularly steep... you just have to be a bit careful with the nasty chemicals. So far I have etch SUPPLEE MILK placard lettering for a reefer and decks for a PRR F34 flatcar.


Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 4:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Who besides Yarmouth Makes a Carmer Lever Etching
 
After a private exchange with Pierre, it turns out none of the Carmer lever etchings he currently offers closely matches the Carmer levers as used on my ex D&RGW, Ex USN boxcar. Levers closely matching the ones I need were included with Westerfield's SP B-50-15 kit but a check of the Westerfield website does not show these offered as a separately available part. Does anyone have any other suggestions

Re: Who besides Yarmouth Makes a Carmer Lever Etching

Tim O'Connor
 


Free State made the best etched Carmer levers - not simply blobby shapes.



On 5/24/2019 5:57 PM, Ken Adams wrote:
After a private exchange with Pierre, it turns out none of the Carmer lever etchings he currently offers closely matches the Carmer levers as used on my ex D&RGW, Ex USN boxcar. Levers closely matching the ones I need were included with Westerfield's SP B-50-15 kit but a check of the Westerfield website does not show these offered as a separately available part. Does anyone have any other suggestions

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

NYC X29

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone know the arrangement of the AB brake system the NYC Lot 504-B 100 X29 cars. I’d like to build one up to mess with my Pennsy friends. :)

I only have the one photo from RP CYC 18.

Brian J. Carlson

Re: Who besides Yarmouth Makes a Carmer Lever Etching

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 5/24/2019 3:57 PM, Ken Adams wrote:
After a private exchange with Pierre, it turns out none of the Carmer lever etchings he currently offers closely matches the Carmer levers as used on my ex D&RGW, Ex USN boxcar. Levers closely matching the ones I need were included with Westerfield's SP B-50-15 kit but a check of the Westerfield website does not show these offered as a separately available part. Does anyone have any other suggestions


Ken,

Plano also does Carmer cut levers:

http://www.planomodelproducts.com/coupbar_scq.html

Last item on the page.

Good luck.

Spen Kellogg

Want Item

George Corral
 

Does anyone have a January 2012 Railroad Model Craftsman magazine you can send my way.  All offers considered. Respond to aileron44ATgmailDOTcom

Thanks a bunch,

George Corral

Who besides Yarmouth Makes a Carmer Lever Etching

Ken Adams
 

After a private exchange with Pierre, it turns out none of the Carmer lever etchings he currently offers closely matches the Carmer levers as used on my ex D&RGW, Ex USN boxcar. Levers closely matching the ones I need were included with Westerfield's SP B-50-15 kit but a check of the Westerfield website does not show these offered as a separately available part. Does anyone have any other suggestions

housekeeping

Jon Miller
 

        I found some slides from long ago, most on Kodachrome.  I took them to Costco this morning to get a DVD of them.  Quite a few from Eugene Oregon when I was a teen and I used to sit and watch the hump yard.  In those days one could wander around the yard with no one bothering you.

    Some of the Empire Builder around the same period.  Maybe one or two.  When I get the DVD and can identify them better will post.  Is there any interest in the slides?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Removing car numbers on Walthers cars.

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I use one of these. If the printing still resists, I use an ink eraser. The erasers that come with this are for pencil marks.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Peter Ness <prness@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, May 24, 2019 at 12:24 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Removing car numbers on Walthers cars.

 

[Edited Message Follows]

In ancient times when dinosaurs ruled the earth I saw a cave painting or stone tablet showing a modeler using a typewriter correction pencil - not the round wheel type - complete with brush on the opposite end, to remove lettering "printed" (I don't think it was heat stamped) from a freight car side. My Mom gave me such an eraser pencil she brought home for work and I tried it with Micro-sol as a cutting medium and it worked like a charm. About a decade or so ago, I lost my typewriter eraser in a house move. At that time I searched for a reasonable alternative and came across the Faber Castell 7056 eraser stick - they produce a couple of different flavors, but this one has the pink-colored eraser material that reminded me of my old one.

I put some Micro-sol over the area I want to remove and have a go at it. Usually I am done with one area in 10 minutes or less.The "erased" surface is clean, glossy and ready for decals.  I have used this on old, enamel or lacquer-painted models as well as new acrylic and "ink-based" painted models with equal success. I sharpen the point when working on a model with lettering next to ribs or bracing, otherwise it only gets sharpened if the tip gets "gunked up". A broad, dull tip covers more surface area so removal goes faster.  

(whoops! forgot to sign)
Peter Ness

Re: Wanting to buy!

pennsylvania1954
 

Pierre--Red Caboose ATSF but it is a kit. Currently on Ebay, 303156857803.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL